Mormon Prophet told to go to court in UK

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Marie5890 said:
Atheists dont care if it’s Mormonism, Catholicism, Lutheran, Baptist, Jewish etc etc etc.

The fall out has the slippery slope potential of being about religion in general. Not Mormonism specifically.

And most former Mormon do NOT got back to Christian roots. MOST become atheists or at the very least, agnostic. I know I did.
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I agree. Atheists don’t believe in God, period. If they feel like they’re on to something by discrediting mormonism, or even just make it look foolish and false on a worldwide scale, then there is potential for other religious bodies to experience a backlash from this. As far as they’re concerned, all religions are ridiculous and false, so why stop with the LDS church?
As for mormonism itself goes, I myself don’t believe Smith was a prophet, I don’t believe a restoration was needed, therefore I don’t believe in any of their claims or doctrines. And as much as I would love to see some of my good LDS friends and neighbors convert, THIS is not the way to do it. THIS scenario is bad news for all who believe in God.
 
I was asked to raise this point:
Can you please point out on the CA site where you are posting that the Catholic Church requires its members in Germany to pay a State Church Tax. if they don’t pay the State Tax, they can’t take part in the Sacraments nor the receiving of the Eucharist.
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bbc.co.uk…europe-19699581
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en.mercopress…tax-rules-court
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American Catholics seem to have an American understanding of the Catholic Church. As we can see if German Catholics do not pay the State Church Tax they lose Church benefits and cannot receive Holy Communion.
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This can also sound like extortion which is what are some claiming about tithes and temple recommends. I just think that it is sad that some there are chiding the tithing principle without realizing how the situation is Europe with State Churches.
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And one of the poster’s on that forum is correct. Militant atheists will go after state taxes if they succeed in the UK:
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flameburns623 said:
I was asked to raise this point:
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Ah, the spirit of why me is alive and well. 😉

Germany is different than the U.S. because the U.S. does not have a Church tax. The German Bishops have decreed that you can’t be half Catholic. In Germany, people who leave Catholicism stop paying the church tax, but then will culturally request a Catholic marriage or baptism.It is a hypocrisy, on the part of the person who has made a public declaration that they are no longer Catholic, yet, want to use Catholic sacraments, essentially as a prop, for a wedding, baptism or funeral.

Devout, believing Catholics in Germany publicly declare they are Catholic, and so the state requires the tax.

it is really quite simple, if you make a public declaration that you are no longer Catholic, you have self excommunicated yourself from the Church. It is a matter of canon law.

This is of course a red herring, coming from a pov that the church in Germany is somehow different than the universal church and requiring something different. The Church has always required fidelity and still does. Germany is unique, in that a Catholic who declares to the State they are no longer Catholic, has made a break from the Church. Think of it as comparable to a Mormon who resigns from Mormonism. You can’t resign and then request a temple marriage. This isn’t available to Catholics in the U.S. because we don’t have a church tax.
 
Marie5890 said:
Atheists dont care if it’s Mormonism, Catholicism, Lutheran, Baptist, Jewish etc etc etc.

The fall out has the slippery slope potential of being about religion in general. Not Mormonism specifically.

And most former Mormon do NOT got back to Christian roots. MOST become atheists or at the very least, agnostic. I know I did.
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And then you became Catholic. 🙂
 
Miriam1947 said:
And then you became Catholic. 🙂
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I had a Catholic background, however, and a faithful grandmother whom I know did laps around the Rosary for me. And had many Masses said for me.

I was never militant in my agnosticism however.

Im not sure how many here have seen just how militantly atheistic former Mormons can be. Esp those who leave because they discovered the truth about it’s past.

I didnt leave for those reasons. I left simple because I know longer believed its basic foundational doctrines, thus I did not leave angry and bitter. And it didnt destroy my family nor rip me apart from them.

I am unusual in my journey out of Mormonism
 
I was atheist, of the nihilist, humanist kind. I was heading towards militant, which incorporates both nihilism and humanism. It is a terrible force, and I recognize it when I see it.

But here I am, Catholic. I see faith as a miracle. Not just my own, but anyone, no matter their religious background. Faith is a gift of the Holy Spirit.

Just made me think of an older Mormon publication, “Faith Precedes the Miracle”. No, no my dear Mormon friends, faith in Christ (not Joseph Smith) is the miracle. All else comes from that one miracle.
 
Miriam1947 said:
And then you became Catholic. 🙂
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When I left lds, I never became agnostic or atheist. I was never foolish enough to think that just because I was fooled or that js was a false prophet that it somehow meant there was no God. I went from lds to Christian. 12 years later I became Catholic Christian.

That is not to say those who did were foolish. It is to say that, in my mind, js being false did not mean there was no God
 
I’m a former Mormon become Catholic after toying with Evangelical Protestantism. I don’t think it is all that unusual. Unfortunately, my wife and children are still Mormon, but we all get along. There are times when Mormons and Catholics can work together especially when threatened by atheism and immorality.
 
Let’s keep links to other discussion forums, especially if they are from banned members out of the discussion.
No biggie, just keep them to their own playground.
 
iepuras said:
Thanks for sharing. This is very helpful for the context. I do find it interesting that the tax was enacted to compensate the Catholic Church for property that was previously seized by the German government. That is a very important fact.
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That part is strange. The German government seizes Catholic property and then taxes Catholics as compensation? Who made that deal? LOL.
 
RebeccaJ said:
That part is strange. The German government seizes Catholic property and then taxes Catholics as compensation? Who made that deal? LOL.
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The Lutherans? 😉 It is a strange deal, and not a very fair one, in my mind. If the state is going to compensate for property seized by the government, then everyone should pay for it.
 
The church tax in Germany winds up being about 1.8 percent of a person’s income so it isn’t that much money. I am not sure how they would enforce a ban on penance or taking the Eucharist.
 
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