…except LDS don’t kiss, bow to, light candles in front of, cense, etc. our statues and icons. Again, it’s a different theology, and if you go to an Eastern Catholic parish, they would laugh if someone said they don’t venerate icons, especially when the Catechism and various other Catholic sources say that Catholics do venerate images. Feel free to start another thread to discuss this, but I’m aware that it’s been discussed multiple times.
USE OF INCENSE
It’s weird how secret handshakes and carvings of a sun objects, and carvings of an eye (may i add that there is no face, so how are we to know what the intentions were that it is God’s eye!), is not in the bible! the things in the bible that were commanded to be built were of heavenly attention.
Yes I’m well aware of the Catholic practices. My point was that Catholics and LDS do not venerate images in the same way, as someone posited. In fact, LDS do not venerate images at all. I am not saying that one is right and one is wrong, just that we don’t do it. My second point was that veneration of images is part of Catholic practice, and is especially prominent in Eastern Christianity, again countering a point of someone that Catholics do not venerate images, when this is clearly not the case, as stated in the Catechism in multiple places. The end result of that veneration (passing from image to saint/Mary/God) is irrelevant, because it begins with veneration of the image. Again, my point is not to say this is idolatry or whatever Protestants usually bring up (I used to be Catholic as well), but that veneration of images is a practice of Catholicism (and Orthodoxy).
Hmm, just like it’s a speculation of Joseph Smith saying he saw an angel, god, jesus, golden plates…why do you choose to see that point of view, and no other?
Yet, it has been pointed out to you that it is relevant, more than once.
I didn’t know Catholics were sola scriptura! It’s weird how immaculate hearts, worship of the Eucharist, miraculous medals, rosaries, etc are not in the bible! Catholics, like LDS, do not rely on the Bible alone for our beliefs. We both believe that our beliefs do not contradict what the Bible says, however.
What made you leave Catholicism? There had to be a reason because I heard that the Mormon worship services are not nearly as fulfilling as a Catholic Mass. We have so much adoration when we are in church! To add to the comment that y’all don’t have images in your church (except that of a speculated angel, Maroni), you know since God was commanding them to build their tabernacles like that?
And yet I pointed out more than once that the Catechism of the Catholic Church states that Catholics venerate images! The statement made was “Catholics do not venerate statues or icons”. I state that Catholics do, and that the Catechism itself says this in various places. The reason or result of that veneration does not affect the initial premise that Catholics do venerate images.
feel free to PM me if you would like to know why i left Catholicism.
We’re not sola scriptura, but since the bible is the only things Catholics and Mormons share (even though the LDS interpretation is out of context 90% of the time), that’s the only thing we can use as comparables. And you should be well aware what Jesus commands us about the Eucharist (Body and Blood of Christ) many many many times!! That is one thing that is in the Bible so many times…I believe yall also practice some sort of communion (sorry I don’t know what yall call it).
One more time. The result most certainly does effect the premise, whether you want it to or not.
So, to rephrase the initial statement (Catholics do not venerate statues or icons) as a question, “Do Catholics venerate statues or icons?”, when I said, yes they do, you will say, no you don’t?
I would give you the ENTIRE catechism entry, so that you do not become confused and believe that we think the statue or icon is possessed of a saintly spirit. Or, that we venerate materials such as wood or marble. Or any number of things that non-Catholics get wrong.So, to rephrase the initial statement (Catholics do not venerate statues or icons) as a question, “Do Catholics venerate statues or icons?”, when I said, yes they do, you will say, no you don’t?
I am in the military and I know exactly what you mean! :yup:Yeah, it’s not very nice when you don’t get a straight, full answer from a member of some faith. Mormons, especially, want you to join before you get all the details… it’s like joining the Military.
Ironically Yours.
Ok I understand that!
I think our hang-up is that I am saying that the respects paid to a statue, whether it’s lighting a candle, placing flowers in front of, etc. are called veneration, and believe me, I understand that you don’t worship statues, or believe that it’s possessed (like the Hindu belief of prana pratishtha). So I wasn’t saying that Catholics venerate statues because that veneration ends with the statue. The respects (veneration) paid to the images are meant to signify the veneration of the saint, Mary, God, etc, not the statue only.Sounds like when Christians give Christian meaning to the candy cane.
