Mormon Temple in Rome, happening today

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“fear” is not the right word. I agree with Marie.

I am a former Mormon as well. The only one in my family to have left. I do not fear Mormonism at all. I am happy that God pulled me out of it and frankly pity those who are still swept up in it, including those in my family.

Steph
 
The problem is, that there is more than one definition of “Christian.” Most of the general public thinks that a Christian is a believer and follower of Jesus Christ which we certainly are. Those who insist LDS are not Christian do so because we do not believe in the Trinity as defined in the Nicean Creed.
But not believing that Jesus is the Son of God makes you non-Christian. He was not Lucifer’s brother as Joseph Smith taught…
 
Marie5890,

Yes, by definition it is, since those words imply “apprehension of impending ‘evil’ or ‘danger’”.

It is not “fear of impending doom” or “fear that they might be right”. It is the thinking process and the emotional response that together lead to the kind of word choice you used.
But you are making the mistake of assuming we are feeling apprehension.
I know I dont feel any apprehension. I know for me it’s not an emotional response.

Its a response of know that, factually speaking, people are being mislead.
For those of us who try to be disciples, it’s our commission to correct that.

No apprehension is involved, at least not on my end

Im not sure why you are making that assumption.
 
I bet others who have been LDS or expose to them, like Rebecca, also know there is nothing to be afraid of.
No, I don’t fear Mormonism.

ParkerD seems to confuse “Fear of the Lord” with fear of his beliefs.

[bibledrb]Phil 2:12-13[/bibledrb]

[bibledrb]psalm 2:11[/bibledrb]

Fear of the Lord is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. And as I have already said, ParkerD would like us to take the view that this gift is a bad thing.

It isn’t. It is a gift, which protects us from evil.
 
“fear” is not the right word. I agree with Marie.

I am a former Mormon as well. The only one in my family to have left. I do not fear Mormonism at all. I am happy that God pulled me out of it and frankly pity those who are still swept up in it, including those in my family.

Steph
Exactly. For those of us who have been Mormon, it’s not fear. There isnt apprehension.

It’s knowledge. It a cerebral knowledge, not an emotional reaction.

If there is an emotional reaction, at least for me, its relief and gratitude. 🙂

But no. Not fear. Not apprehension :rolleyes:
 
Thanks Rebecca, that is absolutely correct.

Fear of the Lord IS the beginning of wisdom. That kind of fear is holy, as it is truly a gift of the Holy Spirit. It is not human fear, which cripples us. It is supernatural fear which gives us strength and fortitude.

Steph
 
But you are making the mistake of assuming we are feeling apprehension.
I know I dont feel any apprehension. I know for me it’s not an emotional response.

Its a response of know that, factually speaking, people are being mislead.
For those of us who try to be disciples, it’s our commission to correct that.

No apprehension is involved, at least not on my end

I’m not sure why you are making that assumption.
Marie5890,

It seems you agreed with the sentiment of TundraMom, who wrote:

“I am happy that God pulled me out of it and frankly pity those who are still swept up in it”.

One reading that finds an emotional response, and it either comes from “fear for them” (as in fear for their soul or their well-being, which leads to the feeling of “pity”) or “fear for other people” (which leads to the feeling about being “swept up in it.”)
 
Marie5890,

It seems you agreed with the sentiment of TundraMom, who wrote:

“I am happy that God pulled me out of it and frankly pity those who are still swept up in it”.

One reading that finds an emotional response, and it either comes from “fear for them” (as in fear for their soul or their well-being, which leads to the feeling of “pity”) or “fear for other people” (which leads to the feeling about being “swept up in it.”)
give it up Parker. It’s really a moot point. Would you “feel” better if all of us were hiding behind bushes afraid to come out and get a curse put on us by dem mormon folks? c’mon!
My own mother used to make me hide on the floorboards of the car when we passed by the old Franciscan church on 5th south in Provo. She was afraid the “monks would put a hex on me”.

I echo Pope John Paul II in his opening greeting. “FEAR NOT!” I’ve taken that to heart.

Steph
 
give it up Parker…

My own mother used to make me hide on the floorboards of the car when we passed by the old Franciscan church on 5th south in Provo. She was afraid the “monks would put a hex on me”.

I echo Pope John Paul II in his opening greeting. “FEAR NOT!” I’ve taken that to heart.

Steph
Steph,
I agree that you should “fear not!” I think that is a great greeting.

Also, the experience you related above about being with your mother and her reaction certainly shows a case where “if the shoe fits, wear it” and she seems to have been wearing the shoe of misunderstanding and passing on that mistrust and misunderstanding to her children.

That’s an example of why it’s a good idea for people to come “up from the floorboards” and just get some understanding about other people’s basic beliefs, and that those beliefs are valid for them. Mormons need to do that, also–no doubt.👍 (Kind of a unique story, I must say.)
 
Marie5890,

It seems you agreed with the sentiment of TundraMom, who wrote:

“I am happy that God pulled me out of it and frankly pity those who are still swept up in it”.

One reading that finds an emotional response, and it either comes from “fear for them” (as in fear for their soul or their well-being, which leads to the feeling of “pity”) or “fear for other people” (which leads to the feeling about being “swept up in it.”)
Your post comes across to me that you are grasping at straws or straining at gnats to prove a point.

Perhaps you need to believe that people are afraid of Mormonism, that it makes them apprehensive. If you really need to believe that in order to validate something within you and make you “feel good” , that’s fine. 🙂 Have a party.

But really. In the real world, most people dont even really care about Mormonism, much less fear it.

“Apathy” I would submit is a much better for most people in regards to Mormonism with the one exception of many former members where the word isn’t fear, but it’s hatred. And Evangelicals would be pretty intense in their views too.

But the vast majority of Catholics are apathetic towards Mormonism as a religion. They dont “fear” Mormonism. They dont “feel apprehensive”. Hell they probably dont even know enough about Mormons to feel one way or the other to be quite honest with you

For me, it’s gratitude. Having been a Mormon, I am now a much better Catholic 👍 😃
 
But the vast majority of Catholics are apathetic towards Mormonism as a religion.
I agree with this totally. And some Mormons are offended by this neutral attitude, because they (particularly Utahans) believe that their religion is a MAJOR world religion. When Catholics see that objective study of Mormonism is necessary for self-defense, and do not see any reason for converting, some Mormons are again offended, because they think that a study of their religion can only lead to conversion. Some Mormons love to be offended, because they thrive on a persecution complex.

🤷

Let’s see-- I think there is something about that-- maybe relating to freedom of religion, in the articles of faith??

As for us who tend to get frustrated with this d***** if you do, d***** if you don’t attitude, some Mormons don’t think that we have a right to our feelings, while they have every right to their own.
 
originally posted by ParkerD
Cats R Us,
If you don’t think that your use of that word was based on “mistrust”, then perhaps you don’t know what the word “mistrust” means. You might look up the meaning of both of those words and see how they are related.
I notice you’ve been a busy bee on this thread “explaining” to all us poorly informed Catholics why we apparently miistrust mormons and their “religion”.
Well, thanks for the dictionary definitions there ParkerD, but I do believe we are all very aware here on this board of the actual definitions of the words fear and mistrust. :rolleyes:
I reiterate; I do not fear or mistrust mormons. To do so would be to suggest that mormon doctrine holds some sort of truth to which I FEAR may infect my belief in the One, Holy and Apostolic Catholic Church.
Dream on dude.
 
By the way, you can now download two high resolution images of the Rome temple from here and here. I think it is going to look very nice indeed.
 
Visiting around Asia and South America,I have seen numerous gargatuan Mormon temples that are almost empty during worship services,per my inquiry.Almost all of the members are uneducated and poor.In brief,people that are vulnerable for brainwashing.This is no offense,just the facts.

Just this week,my friend have Mormon missionaries at his home.He let them in and offered them tea to drink.He was in disbelief,as I was, that they refused the offer,as it was against their belief.I know that they pour clorox in their drinks,but didnt know about the tea,until that incident.BTW,my friend is Pentecostal.
 
Visiting around Asia and South America,I have seen numerous gargatuan Mormon temples that are almost empty during worship services,per my inquiry.Almost all of the members are uneducated and poor.In brief,people that are vulnerable for brainwashing.This is no offense,just the facts.

Just this week,my friend have Mormon missionaries at his home.He let them in and offered them tea to drink.He was in disbelief,as I was, that they refused the offer,as it was against their belief.I know that they pour clorox in their drinks,but didnt know about the tea,until that incident.BTW,my friend is Pentecostal.
clorox? That must be a nasty rumor. They do not drink tea or coffee, true, but I assure you they do not pour clorox in their drinks.

Steph
 
Lax16,
Hi and good day to you.

The temple open houses are for several different reasons, and I suppose they may come across as “wowing” people (though I have never seen or heard that response as I have watched people and been with them as a bystander as they have gone to a temple open house as someone from another religion). The non-members come out of curiosity, mostly, I think. They are told what happens in the temple after it is dedicated, and come to understand why there are several rooms rather than only one large assembly room. Maybe since you already knew about LDS beliefs before going, nothing was new to you in the tour and so it didn’t seem you were there to “understand LDS beliefs”, but those with negative feelings about the idea of “LDS temple work” can at least come away with a better understanding about why the LDS do those temple ordinances.

I have never been to the Vatican, but if I were to go there I wouldn’t be going thinking it was going to be like an “open house” tour–more like a tourist type of tour but with the added significance of visiting a sacred place held sacred by many, many people. But I’m sure that would be a very different feeling I would have about being there than Catholics would have in visiting there.
Hi Parker - When the many people I know visited the Draper temple, they commented on the “imported limestone” and “those fancy chandeliers” and the rooms that “looked like my grandmother’s living room” - *not even one person *discussed with me the use of the temple.

When I received (yet another) invitation to tour the temple near Daybreak (not sure what it is called) I was told that I would see a “beautiful staircase where I could stand and look at the beautiful chandelier.” She never mentioned to me that I would learn about the importance of temple work. I have received phone calls, an engraved invitation, verbal invitations, and informal invitations to tour the temples.

I have not attended because by touring the building I will not have a deeper understanding of Mormon rituals. I need to read and study about them. Not drink punch and eat cookies after a museum-like tour.

My choice not to attend temple tours is not out of fear. I am just not interested in hearing the sales pitch after having negative experiences with missionaries and LDS neighbors. When I first moved here to Utah, I would have gone feeling it would be a way of getting to know the LDS culture. But now, I feel that I know too much.

The Catholics I know who toured the Draper temple said “It doesn’t come close to the beauty of the Cathedral of the Madeleine!” The cathedral offers tours on a regular basis. Have you gone? If not, is it out of fear?

Have you toured the Presbyterian church two blocks down from the Cathedral of the Madeleine? It is gorgeous. If not, is it out of fear?

My guess, Parker, is that you have studied Catholicism and Presbyterianism and do not feel the need to visit their opulent churches in order to get a better understanding of their beliefs.

I wonder if the Pope is even aware of the temple in Rome? Mormonism is not considered a major world religion and I am not sure how people in that region would even view it. I don’t know that I would say “fearful” - it’s more like “huh?”
 
By the way, you can now download two high resolution images of the Rome temple from here and here. I think it is going to look very nice indeed.
I am sure they are doing their best to compete with what has existed in Rome for almost all of Christianity.
 
TundraMom,
Perhaps you stand alone in not experiencing that deep-seated “feeling of anxiety, apprehension of impending ‘evil’ or ‘danger’” or that feeling of “suspicion, doubt, lack of confidence” when you think about, write about, or talk about LDS people or their beliefs (including their belief in the Book of Mormon) or the history of their church. (Those are definitions of “fear” and “mistrust”.)

But as far as the many who post remarks that have those very elements embedded in the comments (all one has to do is read them), it is using the right words to describe the emotional response that is more than anything else based on misunderstanding.
Parker - You are aware that people have been persecuted for their religious beliefs since the beginning of time?

Somehow Mormons think they have the corner on the persecution market…:confused:

Ask any RM about his experiences and it will include “dog bites” “hot coffee in the face”
“spit in the face” “insults” “door slams”…I know this is a big part of missionary experience as I have heard about it a lot.

Nobody should be mistreated or persecuted for their religious beliefs, however beheadings (St. Agnes, St. Thomas More. St. John the Baptist), disembowlments (St. Oliver Plunkett), being fed to lions (St. Ignatious of Antioch), crucifixion (Jesus Christ), having skin cut from one’s living body (St. Bartholomew), being roasted over a gridiron (St. Lawrence), being flung from the top of a tower (St. James), stonings (St. Stephen), starvation (St. Maximilian Kolbe) are just some of the MANY persecutions suffered by Catholic saints and martyrs.

I am not sure why Mormons act like they alone are being targeted?
 
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