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How very odd. Anyone who disagrees with you or has different information than you, or has different answers to prayers than you is lying.

What a wonderful way to go thru life, always being right and everyone else always lying.

Well, I have neither lied or embellished. Just as I do not embellish when I say that when I went to the temple, Catholic Priests were portrayed as agents of Satan, and that we all took blood oaths. Just as I do not embellish when I say that when I went to the temple, women were ordered to always submit to their husbands. Just as I do not embellish or lie when I say that anything from my past as a Mormon.

I believe that you KNOW it was taught and, as the LDS Church continues to whitewash its past, so do you.
Still laughing. How very odd that you go through life doing the EXACT same thing and then act self-righteous. I answered your questions in an ecumenical manner until you demanded a specific answer. When you are asked questions you evade, deflect, or ignore. Do you think the Holy Spirit lied?

Embellish, an emphatic yes. You never seek common ground or to demonstrate any spirit of ecumenical exchange. You seek to destroy…and I laugh.

I laugh because I know in the same way that Peter knew that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God; that he was crucified for all of us; that he rose again the third day; that he returned to Father and sits at his right hand. Knowing the book of Revelations I know that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy that is open to all that seek Him. I know that Jesus is the head of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I know that just as Jesus took weak men during his time and made them strong, he has done the same thing during the restoration of the fullness of the Gospel of Christ. That is God’s spoken way of fulfilling his Word as found in 1 Corinthians, “27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;”

I am not here to preach the Gospel of Christ; I am here to promote an ecumencial relationship between the LDS people and Catholics. It is with great dissappointment that I meet so many who seek to promote conflict rather than common ground. There is so much similarities between these two churches. The world is so full of evil, all disciples of Christ must be able to respect one another and work together…we must promote a spirit of cooperation. Is that possible and is this the right venue for it? It may very possible be the wrong venue. If it is, please tell me and I will gladly move on.
 
Still laughing. How very odd that you go through life doing the EXACT same thing and then act self-righteous. I answered your questions in an ecumenical manner until you demanded a specific answer. When you are asked questions you evade, deflect, or ignore. Do you think the Holy Spirit lied?

Embellish, an emphatic yes. You never seek common ground or to demonstrate any spirit of ecumenical exchange. You seek to destroy…and I laugh.

I laugh because I know in the same way that Peter knew that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God; that he was crucified for all of us; that he rose again the third day; that he returned to Father and sits at his right hand. Knowing the book of Revelations I know that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy that is open to all that seek Him. I know that Jesus is the head of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I know that just as Jesus took weak men during his time and made them strong, he has done the same thing during the restoration of the fullness of the Gospel of Christ. That is God’s spoken way of fulfilling his Word as found in 1 Corinthians, “27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;”

I am not here to preach the Gospel of Christ; I am here to promote an ecumencial relationship between the LDS people and Catholics. It is with great dissappointment that I meet so many who seek to promote conflict rather than common ground. There is so much similarities between these two churches. The world is so full of evil, all disciples of Christ must be able to respect one another and work together…we must promote a spirit of cooperation. Is that possible and is this the right venue for it? It may very possible be the wrong venue. If it is, please tell me and I will gladly move on.
hi barnes - I know I asked this the other day, do you have me on ignore?
You haven’t answered my questions in a while.
 
hi barnes - I know I asked this the other day, do you have me on ignore?
You haven’t answered my questions in a while.
Hey Lax, ask me a question! I don’t have you on ignore! 😉

And I read everything you write! (At least on the threads we both post to, I don’t “post stalk” you! or anyone else for that matter!) I very much appreciate what you write because you have a lot to offer and obviously work much harder than I do in gathering together pertinent references!

I DO have lots of rude people on ignore tho’! Helps keep my blood pressure down and my charity level UP! 🙂
 
Hey Lax, ask me a question! I don’t have you on ignore! 😉

And I read everything you write! (At least on the threads we both post to, I don’t “post stalk” you! or anyone else for that matter!) I very much appreciate what you write because you have a lot to offer and obviously work much harder than I do in gathering together pertinent references!

I DO have lots of rude people on ignore tho’! Helps keep my blood pressure down and my charity level UP! 🙂
It’s funny - I don’t know how to put people on ignore! Maybe it’s better that I don’t…I might use it.

Actually, I haven’t had a problem yet…I hope I haven’t caused any headaches for anyone! (well, little headaches are okay, just not big ones!)

ps thanks for the kind words. Some of my posts have taken hours of research - I am learning so much!
 
It’s funny - I don’t know how to put people on ignore! Maybe it’s better that I don’t…I might use it.

OK, I won’t tell you! 😉

But if you ever want to know, feel free to ask!

Actually, I haven’t had a problem yet…I hope I haven’t caused any headaches for anyone! (well, little headaches are okay, just not big ones!)

No headaches here!

ps thanks for the kind words. Some of my posts have taken hours of research - I am learning so much!

And you’re helping the rest of us too! Those that don’t have the time and/or the resources to do all the “heavy lifting” that you are doing! THANKS!
 
Still laughing. How very odd that you go through life doing the EXACT same thing and then act self-righteous.

I never called you a liar for not believing the way I do. So, stop deflecting. It is very odd that anyone who does not agree with you lies.

I answered your questions in an ecumenical manner until you demanded a specific answer. When you are asked questions you evade, deflect, or ignore.

I never dodge or evade or ignore. And I never demanded. I just wondered why you dodged the question.

Do you think the Holy Spirit lied?

No. The Holy Spirit was very honest with me. The LDS Church is false and the Book of Mormon is not Scripture. And the Catholic Church is the Church Jesus started and continues to this day

Embellish, an emphatic yes.

Not even once. Your problem is, you hate the truth. And when faced with people who know, you have no recourse.

You never seek common ground or to demonstrate any spirit of ecumenical exchange. You seek to destroy…

Really? What am I seeking to destroy? This is a Catholic Board where discuss differences in our beliefs. You came to a Catholic Board.

and I laugh.

In my experience as a prosecutor, people who are caught and have no way out usually laugh

I laugh because I know in the same way that Peter knew that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God; that he was crucified for all of us; that he rose again the third day; that he returned to Father and sits at his right hand. Knowing the book of Revelations I know that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy that is open to all that seek Him. I know that Jesus is the head of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I know that just as Jesus took weak men during his time and made them strong, he has done the same thing during the restoration of the fullness of the Gospel of Christ. That is God’s spoken way of fulfilling his Word as found in 1 Corinthians, “27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;”

Yes, I find that funny, too. The problem is, The Holy Spirit does not lie. You said so. And the Holy Spirit told me your Church is false following false prophets. That is no laughing matter.

I am not here to preach the Gospel of Christ; I am here to promote an ecumencial relationship between the LDS people and Catholics. It is with great dissappointment that I meet so many who seek to promote conflict rather than common ground. There is so much similarities between these two churches. The world is so full of evil, all disciples of Christ must be able to respect one another and work together…we must promote a spirit of cooperation. Is that possible and is this the right venue for it? It may very possible be the wrong venue. If it is, please tell me and I will gladly move on.

Where you go is your choice. I do not for a minute believe LDS truly want to embrace. I saw the temple films where the Catholic Priest was the agent of Satan. I have the original Mormon Doctrine where a man who be an apostle, Bruce R. McKonkie, stated that the Catholic Church is the great and abominable church. I saw the pictures where LDS missionaries in Colorado (I think) desecrated a Catholic Statue and then laughed about it.

It is hard to embrace a church who, by their existence, says that the Catholic Church is false.

I started a thread where I invited people to post what they like about other Churches. I posted several things I like about the LDS Church. Have you posted on it? You claim I am not willing to find common ground, yet I have. Where were you?

I have no desire to hurt or offend anyone, but I WILL respond to false claims by the LDS Church, and to the whitewashed history. It is my duty as a Catholic to warn anyone I can. I will always do my duty. I am a 4th Degree Knight of Columbus and I will defend the Church.
 
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Wow - thanks for noticing.🙂 I love doing the research because I learn so much.

I really appreciate the LDS posters (and the Protestants too) because they challenge us at every turn - it makes for great dialogue when their questions are thought-provoking.

That’s why I get concerned if someone is ignoring me or if they would rather not join in the discussion.
 
Sir Thomas ~ Since you have had the experience yourself, is the sort of misdirection that Barnes engages in something that the LDS teaches to their Missionaries and others who seek contact with the public? or is it something that they choose to do themselves on an individual basis? Because we see a lot of mis-direction/deflecting/etc. from Mormons on this forum.

There can be no doubt that Mormon theology has been evolving because we have had numerous posters to this forum who have testified to their experience in Gospel Doctrine and/or Seminary classes where they learned things, and those things were taught as doctrine, which are now, today, disavowed as doctrine.

I actually expect that at some point Mormon doctrine will evolve to the point where everyone will call them Christians and accept their baptisms, but obviously that day is not today. And it won’t be because the rest of Christianity has altered their theology, it will be because Mormons will have evolved their theology to the point where that can happen. (Although I’m not sure they will EVER be able to convince the Southern Baptists! 😉 )
 
hi barnes - I know I asked this the other day, do you have me on ignore?
You haven’t answered my questions in a while.
If you asked me before if I had you on ignore, I did not read it. I have only heard one other editor mention this ignore ability, but I am not familiar enough with this site to know how to engage such an action or understand its full meaning.

I have attempted to draw back from conversation that I feel is too contentious. I may be more sensitive to quarreling than others simply because I have been guilty of it too often in the past.

My extended family is quite eclectic in its religious affiliations. My immediate family is all LDS. However, we have Southern Baptists, Catholics, Community of Christ (RLDS), Reformed Judaism, and Assembly of God adherents in the extended family; and we all get along and appreciate it. The only time any of us has problems is for those who don’t live the teachings of their chosen religion. Those individuals get jazzed quite a bit.

I reject the concept of religious wars among Christians. There is never a time when it is acceptable to have two groups that follow Christ fight against one another as we saw in Ireland for hundreds of years as well as other parts of Europe. Christians can get along when we learn about each other and accept each other for our commonalities and our differences.

Exchanging beliefs is not a sign that we have forfeited our own strongly held beliefs; only that we are learning about others and learn to tolerate differences in beliefs. This type of exchange is not a fight over what is true. I did not fall into being a LDS. I do not remain a LDS out of whim, but rather I am a LDS because I have studied for decades the Christian church in all its facets, as well as the other religions of the world. I thresh for truth and I have found much, but nothing has caused me to doubt my faith or motivated me to join another Christian Church.

When my sister-in-law joined the Catholic Church I was happy for her. She had been battered by the world and every wind of doctrine. She finally found peace in her life and she embraced Catholicism wholly. I shared with her the Liturgy of the Hours and the website I use to listen daily on my iPOD. She now listens to the Breviary and it enhances her prayer life. I think everyone, regardless of religious affiliation, should practice the Liturgy of the Hours. It allows us to focus more fully on Christ in our daily life. I believe that I am more than open-minded and I am seeking to build bridges of understanding and cooperation.

This site may not be set up for an ecumenical exchange. It is the exception when I find such an exchange. The majority of the time individuals are either taking doctrines out of context, misapplying doctrines or twisting them into something unknown to LDS doctrine, or history of the Church. Maybe that is its purpose? If it is, can someone just confirm the purpose of this site; is it ecumenical or something else?
 
Sir Thomas ~ Since you have had the experience yourself, is the sort of misdirection that Barnes engages in something that the LDS teaches to their Missionaries and others who seek contact with the public? or is it something that they choose to do themselves on an individual basis? Because we see a lot of mis-direction/deflecting/etc. from Mormons on this forum.

There can be no doubt that Mormon theology has been evolving because we have had numerous posters to this forum who have testified to their experience in Gospel Doctrine and/or Seminary classes where they learned things, and those things were taught as doctrine, which are now, today, disavowed as doctrine.

I actually expect that at some point Mormon doctrine will evolve to the point where everyone will call them Christians and accept their baptisms, but obviously that day is not today. And it won’t be because the rest of Christianity has altered their theology, it will be because Mormons will have evolved their theology to the point where that can happen. (Although I’m not sure they will EVER be able to convince the Southern Baptists! 😉 )
Actually, there is a video on youtube that has Bob Millet (Robert) talks about answering the question that **should **have been asked. He is speaking to a group of missionaries, so I guess you could say they are taught that.
 
Actually, there is a video on youtube that has Bob Millet (Robert) talks about answering the question that **should **have been asked. He is speaking to a group of missionaries, so I guess you could say they are taught that.
In any situation, when you have a bad side, or a bad client, or a bad story, you tend to do what Mormons do…defelct and misdirect. I do not believe it is taught. I believe it is a natural reaction.

I truly believe most Mormons do the best they can in a bad situation. It is touigh to lose your testimony…you feel totally lost. They would rather do anything than face that
 
In any situation, when you have a bad side, or a bad client, or a bad story, you tend to do what Mormons do…defelct and misdirect. I do not believe it is taught. I believe it is a natural reaction.

I truly believe most Mormons do the best they can in a bad situation. It is touigh to lose your testimony…you feel totally lost. They would rather do anything than face that
It kind of reminds me of the old saying…If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with…

It is hard for anyone, not just a mormon to realize that what they have been taught is wrong or incomplete.

Having converted myself, I know how hard it is to leave your faith foundation behind. My grandfather was a presbyterian minister for many many years, and my conversion to the Catholic Church was received less than enthusiastically.

People are truly in anguish over it. I have seen it from mormons, baptists, methodists, etc. etc., since I am the Lay Director of RCIA for our parish.

But the good thing is, when they leave something wrong or incomplete, they tend to be looking for something more complete.
 
It kind of reminds me of the old saying…If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with…

It is hard for anyone, not just a mormon to realize that what they have been taught is wrong or incomplete.

Having converted myself, I know how hard it is to leave your faith foundation behind. My grandfather was a presbyterian minister for many many years, and my conversion to the Catholic Church was received less than enthusiastically.

People are truly in anguish over it. I have seen it from mormons, baptists, methodists, etc. etc., since I am the Lay Director of RCIA for our parish.

But the good thing is, when they leave something wrong or incomplete, they tend to be looking for something more complete.
TwoPekingGuys! I actually got the first one this time! 😉

But it hard for me to believe that “deflect and misdirect” is not a tactic of those who employ such methods routinely, since it is used so often. I guess I must be way too idealistic! 🙂
 
But it hard for me to believe that “deflect and misdirect” is not a tactic of those who employ such methods routinely, since it is used so often. I guess I must be way too idealistic! 🙂
Check out this video. It is Bob Millet speaking to missionaries. He explains how they should answer the question that should have been asked.

I think it also covers the whole “Milk before meat” arguement too.

youtube.com/watch?v=9zA-rZQB-xQ
 
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