Mormonism and Angels

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One unique difference between Mormonism and Christianity is how each views angels. In LDS theology, angels are resurrected human beings (Moroni for example). In Christianity, angels are an entirely difference race of beings from humans. I was wondering where Mormons got their concept of angels from because it’s very different from historic Christianity and Judaism.
 
In Mormonism, as I understand, everyone is essentially the same “species”: God / gods, angels, men. We’re all spirit children of the Heavenly Fatherly and Heavenly Mother(s)…and have to the potential to become as the Heavenly Father is. Man, angel, god are just different “stages” along the journey.
 
Chris-WA said:
One unique difference between Mormonism and Christianity is how each views angels. In LDS theology, angels are resurrected human beings (Moroni for example). In Christianity, angels are an entirely difference race of beings from humans. I was wondering where Mormons got their concept of angels from because it’s very different from historic Christianity and Judaism.
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The entry for angels in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism can be found here: eom.byu.edu/index.php/Angels

I hope this helps.

Which sources do Orthodox Christianity use to determine that angels are an entirely difference race of beings from humans? Thanks.
 
First, angels existed BEFORE humans.
We are descended from Adam and Eve, our first parents. Human parents.
Angels are non-corporal. spiritual beings, who also have free will, but they have no bodies. They do not procreate.
They have no need to.
Humans do not “turn into angels” when they die. This is something that many epople tell children and each other to console someone at the loss of a loved one, but it is completely false. Nana is NOT an angel in heaven. She is a saint in heaven. Those that die in Christ, in a state of grace, are part of the communion of saints. They do not join the angelic choirs.

Here’s another good link re: angels. ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2angel.htm

and this:
ewtn.com/faith/teachings/goda32a.htm
 
pianistclare said:
First, angels existed BEFORE humans.
We are descended from Adam and Eve, our first parents. Human parents.
Angels are non-corporal. spiritual beings, who also have free will, but they have no bodies. They do not procreate.
They have no need to.
Humans do not “turn into angels” when they die. This is something that many epople tell children and each other to console someone at the loss of a loved one, but it is completely false. Nana is NOT an angel in heaven. She is a saint in heaven. Those that die in Christ, in a state of grace, are part of the communion of saints. They do not join the angelic choirs.

Here’s another good link re: angels. ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/jp2angel.htm

and this:
ewtn.com/faith/teachings/goda32a.htm
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Thank you.
 
gazelam said:
Nothing from Sacred Tradition?
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Tons, but what’s the point of pointing out Sacred Tradition to a Mormon? Mormons don’t give a hoot what the ECF’s said, or the Saints, or the Doctors of the Church, or Pope’s, etc. Sometimes they will quote one here or there when it suits their purposes, but they really don’t give them any credence because after all, Mormons believe the Church was in a state of total apostacy with no authority whatsoever. That’s like you quoting from the BoM, the D&C, the BoA, etc. to me because I believe all those to be false scripture.
 
Chris-WA said:
It would be better if you would just make your point yourself rather than submitting links.
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Why would it be better? It never hurts to give out links so that another poster can read up on itself if they so choose. 🤷
 
gazelam said:
Nothing from Sacred Tradition?
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Definitely. It’s a tradition that is rooted in the Jewish tradition and then matured in the Christian Era. Various Fathers and saints have written on angels. Catholics believe that every one of us is assigned a guardian angel. We ask our angel’s intercession throughout life’s journey.
 
Chris-WA said:
It would be better if you would just make your point yourself rather than submitting links.
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Why re=hash what Aquinas says so well?
Anyway, you’re kind of unwilling to help the guy so…

plus, I made my point earlier.
:rolleyes:
Angels don’t turn into people and people don’t turn into angels.
 
pianistclare said:
Why re=hash what Aquinas says so well?
Anyway, you’re kind of unwilling to help the guy so…

plus, I made my point earlier.
:rolleyes:
Angels don’t turn into people and people don’t turn into angels.
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Sorry that’s my mistake. I thought it was gazelam that posted the link to Aquinas. You were just trying to be helpful. You made your points quite well in your earlier post.
 
Chris-WA said:
Sorry that’s my mistake. I thought it was gazelam that posted the link to Aquinas. You were just trying to be helpful. You made your points quite well in your earlier post.
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:tiphat:

Have a nice evening. God bless you.
 
pianistclare said:
Why re=hash what Aquinas says so well?
Anyway, you’re kind of unwilling to help the guy so…

plus, I made my point earlier.
:rolleyes:
Angels don’t turn into people and people don’t turn into angels.
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Also, it’s not that I don’t want to help the guy. It’s just that I know LDS very well. What they believe and what they don’t believe. When a Mormon asks you what Church Tradition says about a particular subject, they are playing dumb. They have no interest in tradition or Tradition, as they are taught those things are corruptions invented by men. That is the teaching of the LDS church. If we are to have a productive conversation, it has to start on common ground. For Mormons and Catholics, that common ground is the Bible and history. It doesn’t mean we can’t talk about other things, but you have to know going in what will be valued versus what will go in one ear and out the other.
 
Chris-WA said:
Also, it’s not that I don’t want to help the guy. It’s just that I know LDS very well. What they believe and what they don’t believe. When a Mormon asks you what Church Tradition says about a particular subject, they are playing dumb. They have no interest in tradition or Tradition, as they are taught those things are corruptions invented by men. That is the teaching of the LDS church. If we are to have a productive conversation, it has to start on common ground. For Mormons and Catholics, that common ground is the Bible and history. It doesn’t mean we can’t talk about other things, but you have to know going in what will be valued versus what will go in one ear and out the other.
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Well, I will ask a question I do not know the answer to if you prefer.
You said the Bible indicates that angels are a different species then men.
What Biblical verses demonstrate this?
Do you believe that these verses preclude the LDS view as outlined in the article Gazelam reference?

I usually do my own research before I ask a question. I am not sure if I have ever researched this questions and if so I have forgotten the results, so I can ask ignorantly ie “genuinely dumb” not “playing dumb.” (at least concerning the two questions I asked you).

Charity, TOm
 
TOmNossor said:
Well, I will ask a question I do not know the answer to if you prefer.
You said the Bible indicates that angels are a different species then men.
What Biblical verses demonstrate this?
Do you believe that these verses preclude the LDS view as outlined in the article Gazelam reference?

I usually do my own research before I ask a question. I am not sure if I have ever researched this questions and if so I have forgotten the results, so I can ask ignorantly ie “genuinely dumb” not “playing dumb.” (at least concerning the two questions I asked you).

Charity, TOm
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Here’s a couple:
Hebrews 2:7 You made them (mankind) a little lower than the angels…Implies angels and humans are two different creations.

Matthew 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.Angels do not marry and are not married. Therefore they do not reproduce. They are not humans. Also notice it says that they will be like the angels, not that they will be angels.
 
Chris-WA said:
Here’s a couple:
Hebrews 2:7 You made them (mankind) a little lower than the angels…Implies angels and humans are two different creations.

Matthew 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.Angels do not marry and are not married. Therefore they do not reproduce. They are not humans. Also notice it says that they will be like the angels, not that they will be angels.
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Thank you for your response.
I had never thought of Matthew 22:30 indicating different species, but I see how you could read that.
Your way of looking at both of those scriptures is different than the way a LDS would look at them. Thank you for sharing.
Charity, TOm
 
TOmNossor said:
Thank you for your response.
I had never thought of Matthew 22:30 indicating different species, but I see how you could read that.
Your way of looking at both of those scriptures is different than the way a LDS would look at them. Thank you for sharing.
Charity, TOm
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Of course conversely, in Christ, Catholics believe that men can become greater than the angels. Our Lady, Mary, for example, is honoured as Queen of the Angels. She is not an angel. She is now above the angels as God’s own Mother.
 
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