Mormonism, Polygamy, and Warren Jeffs

[soren1]

Thank you, Lucy, and others who have replied to my questions.

I hope I have not been too annoying. Please believe that I’ve been trying to understand your PoV, not trying to convert you to mine.

Then why are you here? If you believe the LDS CHruch is true, but are not trying to convert us, then you do not love us. I am absolutely trying to convert people.

 

[Cowboy_Pete]

Yes, this is a very good book to reveal Jeffs & the FLDS. I came away from it with the distinct impression that the FLDS has institutionalized spousal abuse, child abuse, and pedophilia right along with polygamy.
I am no fan of Mormonism, but I certainly would NOT blame the activities of the FLDS on the Mormons. .

As a mormon, and as a victim of child sexual abuse (not by a mormon!) I thank you. Let the blame lie where it Belongs!

I say the same when I’ve repeatedly defended the Catholic church on issues where it was Catholic individuals, not the church, that committed the wrongs.

 

[Cowboy_Pete]

Then why are you here? If you believe the LDS CHruch is true, but are not trying to convert us, then you do not love us.

Love takes time to build, Soren; don’t rush me.

but seriously, please don’t take my failure to try to convert you as an insult. I’m simply honoring my word as a participant here.

(If only the rule against being “rude” was as straightforward and easy to comply with as the rule against prostelytizing )

Remember that mormons aren’t on the same timetable as Catholics are … because of our work for the dead. Soren, you are an acquired taste, and it will take me time to love you, but I assure you that I will remember you and plan to track you down in Sheol and preach to you there, so that you can choose to accept or reject the work that will have been done on your behalf.

 

[Cowboy_Pete]

No reply from Soren,

Again.

Why does he always do this to me, whenever I take the time to respond to him at length?

How depressing.

 

[Jim_Dandy]

I say the same when I’ve repeatedly defended the Catholic church on issues where it was Catholic individuals, not the church, that committed the wrongs.

It’s always individual members, never the Catholic Church, who “commit wrongs.” The Church is the Bride of Christ, His Very Body, “without spot or wrinkle or any such thing” Ephesians 5:27. Humans sin. The Church does not, cannot, sin.

Regarding your allegation of apostasy, this was written a hundred years or so after Mormons claim Jesus’s inability to keep the Church he founded together became evident. A good dose of early Christian history is the cure for Protestantism, Mormonism, and other false religions.

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But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the Churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient Church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious Apostles, Peter and Paul, that Church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the Apostles. For with this Church, because of its superior origin, all Churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world; and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the Apostolic tradition.

The blessed Apostles [Peter and Paul], having founded and built up the Church [of Rome], they handed over the episcopate to Linus. Paul makes nention of this Linus in the Epistle to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus, and after him, in the third place from the Apostles, Clement was chosen for the episcopate . . .

St. Irenaeus, Adversus Haereses, A.D. 180-189, The Faith of the Early Fathers, William A. Jurgens, Volume 1.
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St. Irenaeus goes on to enumerate all the successors of Peter (the Popes), from the beginning of the Church to the date of this writing. He obviously didn’t get the memo about the “apostasy.”

Jim Dandy