Mormonism

[batman1973]

Mormon critics in many cases take their arguments out of context, and I have seen it on this board in my short time here.

Prove it. Your fellow Mormon Parker D couldn’t. Those of us who are former Mormons, who have “drank the milk, and a"the the meat of the Gospel” know that the core beliefs of Mormonism to be a fallicy. That’s a fact, not our opinion. We have shown you, from your own Church publications, the nonsense. You and your fellow Mormons accuse us of taking out of context, or cherry picking, when you know in fact, that we’re not. You, and Parker, are of course trying to shield those on here from the truth of Mormonism, because you hope that some one either a member of CAF or a lurker will see your bold defense, or wonderful and artful dodging and check into see if Mormonism is true. That’s why Parker always references lds.org. It’s a backdoor attempt at proselyting.

 

[mtolympus]

For the record: I have no problem wth mormons believing anything. What irks me is when they pretend that their beliefs are the same as mine, and try and engage me in some kind of dialogue meant to convert me.

If they said: Catholic beliefs are anathema, and wrong, and your idea of Jesus is wrong, and then they honestly talked about their real beliefs I would have a lot more respect for them. I still wouldn’t convert, but I would respect the LDS more.

I’d love to use the local cannery for day though:thumbsup:

Most of our church canneries have times when members and their guests are able to use the facilities to do their own canning. If you are serious, you might contact the local Bishop to see if this is available in your area. I know non-LDS are always welcome to volunteer on cannery welfare projects.

I don’t know what kind of conversation would ensue, however, it is likely they will be polite- just as you mentioned. Sorry.

If you ever have a first missionary discussion they will teach you what we believe about God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost exactly as in the sentence that you high lighted.

 

[KathleenGee]

It is historically and anthropologically ludicrous to say Catholicism, which in its ancient form, was Orthodox, universal Christianity…and still holding on to the same constructs of faith for 2,000 years…as getting it wrong the whole time…but the Mormons don’t.

As our orientation focuses on God as constant, no…we don’t forget earlier Mormon teachings…and approach them just as our own…the past part of the present…the whole belief system comes from the same source…your original belief systems.

 

[hosemonkey]

It is historically and anthropologically ludicrous to say Catholicism, which in its ancient form, was Orthodox, universal Christianity…and still holding on to the same constructs of faith for 2,000 years…as getting it wrong the whole time…but the Mormons don’t.

As our orientation focuses on God as constant, no…we don’t forget earlier Mormon teachings…and approach them just as our own…the past part of the present…the whole belief system comes from the same source…your original belief systems.

The whole mormon belief system came from the fevered mind of Joseph Smith, with liberal helpings of plagiarism from others of his day. Magnificent imagination, but totally false.

 

[TexanKnight]

Most of our church canneries have times when members and their guests are able to use the facilities to do their own canning. If you are serious, you might contact the local Bishop to see if this is available in your area. I know non-LDS are always welcome to volunteer on cannery welfare projects.

I don’t know what kind of conversation would ensue, however, it is likely they will be polite- just as you mentioned. Sorry.

If you ever have a first missionary discussion they will teach you what we believe about God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost exactly as in the sentence that you high lighted.

I taught those discussions…did you?

Just because you use the same names does not mean you mean the same people

 

[Pepband_Mom]

According to William A. Jurgens’ “The Faith of the Early Fathers” Volume 1 pp. 264-272, Lucius Caelius Firmianus Lactanius lived circa AD 250. Lucius was a Latin rhetorician converted to Christianity. Jurgens said his works represent the FIRST ATTEMPT to produce in Latin a summary exposition of Christian doctrine, although had it’s shortcomings and its limitations.

a few choice comments from this 3-4th cent writer prove him to be spot on:

"The prophets, who were many, preach one God. They declare the One: …

For God the Father himself, the Origin and Principle of all things, since He is without parents, is very correctly called _________ and ________ by Trismegistus; for by no one was He procreated."

As to the Son: “Learn, then, if you have any sense at all, that it is not because he worked miracles that we believe in Christ and that he is God, but because we have seen in Him were fulfilled all the things which were announced to us beforehand by the predictions of the prophets.”

Re: The Church (still existing in the 3rd century, think of that!)

“It is, therefore, the Catholic Church alone which retains true worship. This is the fountain of truth; this, the domicile of faith: this, the temple of God. Whoever does not enter there or whoever does not go out from here, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation.”

Was it Living Waters’ buddy who claimed to have read Lactantius???

 

[Pepband_Mom]

Hose Monkey: good man, where’ve ya been?

 

[hosemonkey]

Hose Monkey: good man, where’ve ya been?

Still here,girlfriend. Defending the True Faith. Cheers, keep up the good work.

 

[vickimonica]

Prove it. Your fellow Mormon Parker D couldn’t. Those of us who are former Mormons, who have “drank the milk, and a"the the meat of the Gospel” know that the core beliefs of Mormonism to be a fallicy. That’s a fact, not our opinion. We have shown you, from your own Church publications, the nonsense. You and your fellow Mormons accuse us of taking out of context, or cherry picking, when you know in fact, that we’re not. You, and Parker, are of course trying to shield those on here from the truth of Mormonism, because you hope that some one either a member of CAF or a lurker will see your bold defense, or wonderful and artful dodging and check into see if Mormonism is true. That’s why Parker always references lds.org. It’s a backdoor attempt at proselyting.

Musn’t forget about Dianadad. Her explanations always referenced lds.org. He tone was downright HATEFUL. She was banned…

 

[Jerusha]

Now THAT is ancient history.

 

[SteveVH]

Uh, actually I am being quite clear in what I believe. While we don’t use the word “incarnate” regularly, we obviously believe what the word is talking about, and LDS typically would use “condescend” to refer to the incarnation.

The word “incarnation” does not mean “condescend”. It means to take on flesh, and in Jesus’s case to take on a human body. He had to become “incarnate” because he is God and was pure Spirit before becoming man. Your notion of God the Father having a body of flesh and bones confusues you. He does not. He is pure Spirit, just as his Son was pure Spirit before becoming man.

Latter-day Saints believe that we are all children of God our Father in Heaven. We believe that Jesus Christ is the first-born Son, and is also the only-Begotten of the Father in the flesh. We also believe that Jesus Christ was/is Jehovah/Yahweh, the God of the Old Testament, and that He came here to teach us how to live, to follow His commandments and His example, and that He atoned for our sins.

But what do you mean when you say that Christ is the “only begotten”. Do you not believe that you are literal children of the Father, rather than adopted sons and daughters?

I don’t believe I ever stated that you were trying to appear Arian (cite the post if I did). I was quite clearly talking about the use of homoousios by Arians before the Nicene Christians co-opted the word and changed the definition, exactly like how you and others are accusing Latter-day Saints of allegedly doing.

The Nicene Christians co-opted the word “homoousios” and changed the definition? You see, Greek words are very specific in their meaning. “Homoousios” means quite literally “one substance”. How does one change the definition of “one substance”?

 

[Allen2Saint]

I’m an RC lay chaplain. Working with people of all different faiths is my bread and butter. I personally, am endlessly curious about other faiths just as much as I am curious about other subjects, but I think it’s a fruitless task to try to intellectually debate people of other faiths. It isn’t an intellectual experience.

I have prayed with people of every faith system and with people with no faith systems( and laughably a few tried to convert me in the process), but to think we’ll get anywhere with this compare contrast debate, other than learning about differences, is really pointless.

I think Vat 2 is a great measuring stick with all this. We can see love of God, reverence for Christ as part of “the truth” and can call that a point of agreement and even celebrate it, but I personally am ethically bound not to try to convert anyone and I’ve never seen it happen effectively with just “information.”

My two cents.

 

[Garland]

Hi, a few things to remember when talking to or about mormons.
1-the Jesus of the mormons is NOT the Jesus of the new testament .
2- the theology of the mormons has no part of the traditional theology of the one God.
3- mormons are NOT christians.
In the begining satan wispered in Eves ear , you too can be a god if you will just disobey and eat the fruit. He wispered the same message in the ear of the charlatin joseph smith, a peep stone foprtuneteller, and the mormon church was born.
There are some excellent books on the subject available at amazon and other stores with authors like Isaiah Bennet, William Whalen, and others that give insight on the big lie and how you too can be a god.
A question for you, why would you go to any place that is founded on the belief that God somehow abandoned his blood bought church and started all over again with the NEW truth. Before you say he did not, but that church abandoned him, that could only mean that Jesus lied, which is not at all possible. Keep your self in the sacraments and stay away from satans den. Love to all. Garland

 

[TexanKnight]

I have often said the same thing…the similarity between the teaching of Satan and the teachings of the LDS Church is that we can become gods…

 

[ParkerD]

I have often said the same thing…the similarity between the teaching of Satan and the teachings of the LDS Church is that we can become gods…

Which means that Satan was scoffing at God’s plan of salvation, scoffing at Jesus Christ’s role in the plan of salvation, and scoffing at the idea that there was going to be a Son of God who could redeem spirits sent to the earth who could through Him become sons of God and joint heirs.

Satan scoffs and ridicules at such an idea or such a plan. He is opposed to it.

 

[pismopal]

As kooky as LDS is and as wrong theologically as it is…LDS front men are very skilled at marketing and advertising. The unaware or improperly grounded Christian can be fooled. You can cut through all the smokescreening and go to the source for a quick evaluation of LDS authenticity…JOSEPH SMITH. He was as phoney as a 3 dollar bill so the rest of it collapses around him.

 

[TexanKnight]

Which means that Satan was scoffing at God’s plan of salvation, scoffing at Jesus Christ’s role in the plan of salvation, and scoffing at the idea that there was going to be a Son of God who could redeem spirits sent to the earth who could through Him become sons of God and joint heirs.

Satan scoffs and ridicules at such an idea or such a plan. He is opposed to it.

Nope. He used that to tempt Eve…the LDS Church uses that to tempt the rest of us

 

[Z_Ninja]

As far as Mormonism and the LDS Church, I think there are a lot of good people within their church. My wife and her family being among them. I, however, cannot reconcile a few things. Namely, I believe Jesus when he said he would never leave us orphans. The very idea of a complete and total apostasy, to me, is false teaching. I believe that God can call on whomever to be a prophet, but I do not believe Joseph Smith was one. I see the method he used for the crime he was convicted of, treasure seeking and using stones in a hat, is the very same method he used to allegedly translate the Book of Mormon. That is placing a stone in a hat and being able to find treasure to placing a stone in a hat and being able to read “reformed” Egyptian.

 

[ParkerD]

Nope. He used that to tempt Eve…the LDS Church uses that to tempt the rest of us

So that would mean the Apostle Paul and the Apostle John were “tempting the rest of humankind” by saying that men could become joint heirs with Jesus Christ.

The LDS Church believes that the Apostle Paul and the Apostle John had reason to know what they were writing about.

But Satan will use every means in his bag of tricks to make the Apostle Paul and the Apostle John seem like they didn’t know what they were writing about.

 

[PJM]

=Semper Fi;9048514]What do you all think of Mormonism? I am a lifelong Catholic, and I will die a Catholic so don’t worry there. I believe in the One Holy Catholic And Apostolic Church. I believe in Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. I believe in the Catholic Church, and there are many things that I believe in. But, the Catholic Church is one of them. I believe that there are several things that I have been believing in. I believe in something that I have been able to understand. I have understood the Catholic Church.
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IT IS A CULT NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN RELIGION.

They clerverly use the same terms we do BUT HAVE THERE OWN DEFINATIONS; NOTHING LIKE OURS

YOU’RE PLAYING WITH THE VERY FIRES OF HELL MY FRIEND,

Pat