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Garland: That’s kinda the bull in the china shop isn’t it → Jesus taking even one human wife or wives. Jesus IS the BRIDEGROOM and WE/THE BODY OF CHRIST are the “BRIDE” a concept non-Christian world organizations reject. Jesus the Bridegroom, who will oversee the huge, heavenly banquet when the ENTIRE BODY OF CHRIST/BRIDE has arrived (as in Revelation), would be committing adultery to have a “wife” prior to that splendid event. Jesus the Lamb was spotless, unblemished was He not & certainly is not capable of adultery now is He not?

Mormons reject this plain & simple Biblical concept. Heavenly marriage/godhood is a horrible man-made idea. Does not St. Paul bluntly say there is no marriage in Heaven. We live as the ANGELS!. Seems very direct & clear this plain and simple thing that we did not remove from the deposit of faith. I submit it is the LDS hierachy, not the LDS Faithful, in their relatively short time as an organization that has clearly removed the plain & simple things as evidenced in their wacky interpretations of their ever-changing doctrines.

I am not “JUDGING” mormons, just their theology. It is demanded of Roman Catholics, in the Spiritual Works of Mercy to CORRECT those who have deviated from the Deposit of the Faith, it is a work of mercy to instruct and correct them in Fraternal Charity. We are not to judge any individual but tell them the truth!

IF Parker & friends motives are to make converts on these forums, Allen2Saint, would you then conclude they have overstepped their boundaries as forum members???:confused: Then what Allen?
 
Allen2Saint said:
The snarkiness was directed at the person with the Vat 2 comment.

Ooooooh, not considered Christians??? What should we do? Somedays I don’t feel I’m a very good Christian so I guess you can count me with them.

Their theology is clear. It’s not mine. But whats in their hearts when they pray or how God hears it is way above my pay grade. Its above everyone’s.
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Unfortunately, their theology is not clear. That can be seen by many of he mormon posters and threads on this site.

We have had some of them state that they do believe they will become gods of their own worlds, and had some say that isn’t true.

We have had some say they believe god was once a sinful man like us, and others say no.

Then you have the whole blacks could not receive their priesthood, but now they can.

They also believe in a godhead that is 3 individual gods, not 3 Gods in one person. When they pray to god, they are not praying to the same one Christians are. Of course they will argue differently.

Couple all of this with Joseph Smith being a false prophet, (Remember, it only takes one false/failed prophecy to be a false prophet) and you have something that is not considered Christian. No matter how well intentioned they may be.

At one point in time, mormons also did not want to be indentified as Christian, but only as mormon or lds. That has changed in recent years, as their leadership wants them to be considered more mainstream.

Stating facts, and pointing out errors is not unChristian behavior, as long as it is none in a spirit of Charity. Facts are facts whether we like them or not.
 
Justaservant, we ARE in a community with them. It’s called Earth. And I am fine with my religion.

Of course, if Parker’s goals are to hound people on this board and convert people, as many have tried to convert me away from my Catholicism in my work as a chaplain, then we can be dignified and tell them no, ban them and move on.

Representing Catholics to every other faith as I do in the hospital( and no one is less worthy of that than me), I have only brought people closer to respecting us by love and graciousness, nothing else. The times I’ve been drawn into debates, most often by my peers from other religions or by the occasional patient when I think it will somehow get me closer to them, it always, always fails.

I always think of the wonderful way the Sikhs decided to respond to the attacks on them after 9/11. Their leaders told their faithful not to argue, not to fight or even show anger at being harassed, but to simply state that they were sikhs and that they loved God and flet compassion for those who lost their lives. I appreciated that dignity.
 
They also believe in a godhead that is 3 individual gods, not 3 Gods in one person. When they pray to god, they are not praying to the same one Christians are. Of course they will argue differently.
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Isn’t it three persons in one God?
 
twopekinguys said:
Unfortunately, their theology is not clear. That can be seen by many of he mormon posters and threads on this site.

We have had some of them state that they do believe they will become gods of their own worlds, and had some say that isn’t true.

We have had some say they believe god was once a sinful man like us, and others say no.

Then you have the whole blacks could not receive their priesthood, but now they can.

They also believe in a godhead that is 3 individual gods, not 3 Gods in one person. When they pray to god, they are not praying to the same one Christians are. Of course they will argue differently.

Couple all of this with Joseph Smith being a false prophet, (Remember, it only takes one false/failed prophecy to be a false prophet) and you have something that is not considered Christian. No matter how well intentioned they may be.

At one point in time, mormons also did not want to be indentified as Christian, but only as mormon or lds. That has changed in recent years, as their leadership wants them to be considered more mainstream.

Stating facts, and pointing out errors is not unChristian behavior, as long as it is none in a spirit of Charity. Facts are facts whether we like them or not.
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:amen: Brother!

Re: per Parker’s mention of the incensed Pharisees in John 8:53 - Jesus plainly said “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am”. This is a declaration of DIVINITY. He is ONE with the Father. Jesus is not a separate “God”.

Jesus says several times in the Book of John: I AM in reference (Exodus 3:14) to Yahweh at the burning bush - the prescribed penalty of the sin of BLASPHEMY for one CLAIMING DIVINITY is stoning. If Jesus is not God - Yahweh, Elohim, the great I AM WHO AM - as the Mormons claim, the Pharisees clearly should have completed their stoning process as Jesus would have been, according to Archbshp Fulton Sheen, the biggest liar, charlatan, cad that EVER walked the earth & we should have nothing to do with him. Either He is Yahweh, the God-Man, The Word Incarnate or NOT!

Jesus IS either GOD made man or nothing at all. There is NO middle ground.
 
They also believe in a godhead that is 3 individual gods, not 3 Gods in one person. When they pray to god, they are not praying to the same one Christians are. Of course they will argue differently.
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Miriam1947 said:
Isn’t it three persons in one God?
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I find this rather funny. A core doctrine such as the Trinity is apparently misrepresented above and yet twopikinguys can say of LDS, “Unfortunately, their theology is not clear.”
 
Janderich said:
I find this rather funny. A core doctrine such as the Trinity is apparently misrepresented above and yet twopikinguys can say of LDS, “Unfortunately, their theology is not clear.”
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That’s the best you got? Going after a typo?

Just like in your reply above…twopikinguys…😃

BTW Mistyped is not the same thing as misrepresented.
 
Janderich said:
I find this rather funny. A core doctrine such as the Trinity is apparently misrepresented above and yet twopikinguys can say of LDS, “Unfortunately, their theology is not clear.”
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Sure…let us review:

The Father is Spirit (Lectures on Faith)
No, the Father is Flesh (D&C)

God was once a sinful man (Joseph Smith)
No, Adam is our God (Brigham Young)
No, Adam is Michael (Temple Ceremony)
We never taught Adam was God (Gordon B. Hinkley)

How about the First Vision?

First Vision

1832-
Who- Joseph’s Hand
Date/Place- No date, No location
His Age- In 16th Year
Revival- No revival mentioned
Who was there- The Lord
Religious Corruption- Not mentioned
Message- Sins Forgiven

1835-
Who- Told to Warren Parish, His Scribe
Date/Place- No date, Silent Grove
His Age- About 14
Revival- No revival mentioned
Who was there- Two unidentified personages and many angels
Religious Corruption- Not mentioned
Message- Sins Forgiven, Jesus is Son of God

1835-
Who- Told to Warren Parish, His Scribe
Date/Place- No date, No location
His Age- About 14
Revival- No revival mentioned
Who was there- Just Angels
Religious Corruption- Not mentioned
Message- No Message

1840
Who- Joseph told Orson Pratt
Date/Place- No Date, Secret Place in a Grove
His Age- About 14
Revival- No revival mentioned
Who was there- Two unidentified personages who looked exactly alike
Religious Corruption- Churches teaching incorrect doctrines
Message- Sins Forgiven, Churches in error

1842
Who- Times and Seasons, Church History
Date/Place- Early Spring 1820, The Woods
His Age- 14
Revival- Yes, added later
Who was there- Two personages
Religious Corruption- All sects corrupt
Message- Sins Forgiven, Churches in error

July 1843
Who- Joseph Letter to Daniel Rupp
Date/Place- No Date, Secret Place in Grove
His Age- About 14
Revival- Not mentioned
Who was there- Two unidentified personages who looked exactly alike
Religious Corruption- All sects corrupt
Message- Sins Forgiven, Churches in error

August 1843
Who- Joseph to a journalist
Date/Place- No Date, The woods
His Age- About 14
Revival- Yes
Who was there- Two personages
Religious Corruption- All sects corrupt
Message- Sins Forgiven, Churches in error

May 1844
Who- Joseph in his diary
Date/Place- No Date, The woods
His Age- not mentioned
Revival- Yes
Who was there- Two personages, one has light complexion and blue eyes
Religious Corruption- All sects corrupt
Message- Methodist Church Wrong, all Churches in error

How about Blacks and the Priesthood?

Joseph- God never changes
Black can;t hold PH
In big trouble with government, BYU faces no other Universities playing them in Sports
God panics and changes His mind about Blacks

How about Polygamy?
Joseph- God never changes
Joseph- we can have many wives
Government going to take all their holdings
God panics and changes His mind on polygamy.

I could go on and on…

and on and on…

and on and on…

About all the changes and back tracking and hiding and confusion in the LDS Church…and typos will never change those facts.
 
Janderich said:
I find this rather funny. A core doctrine such as the Trinity is apparently misrepresented above and yet twopikinguys can say of LDS, “Unfortunately, their theology is not clear.”
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twopeking had a typo not a misrepresentation of our basic beliefs. I have done the same thing myself.

I am not a polytheist as Mormons are, neither are they.
 
I’ve autopsied this thread pretty well. I don’t know where LivingWaters went to, but she appeared to be honestly and respectfully speaking about her beliefs without arrogance or contention. Would that we could say the same thing for the the Catholic posters who went right to bashing Joseph Smith and demeaning her faith in a language that would have infuriated any of us.

Having said all that, you’re on a mission, Parker. How did you find this thread? What’s your goal? Clearly not just to fairly represent your beliefs. Do you just light around Catholic posting boards or do you go to others to share YOUR version of things?
 
Allen2Saint said:
I’ve autopsied this thread pretty well. I don’t know where LivingWaters went to, but she appeared to be honestly and respectfully speaking about her beliefs without arrogance or contention. Would that we could say the same thing for the the Catholic posters who went right to bashing Joseph Smith and demeaning her faith in a language that would have infuriated any of us.

Having said all that, you’re on a mission, Parker. How did you find this thread? What’s your goal? Clearly not just to fairly represent your beliefs. Do you just light around Catholic posting boards or do you go to others to share YOUR version of things?
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You’re pretty quick to defend Mormonism…
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Allen2Saint said:
I’ve autopsied this thread pretty well. I don’t know where LivingWaters went to, but she appeared to be honestly and respectfully speaking about her beliefs without arrogance or contention.

So, heresy is ok if done respectfully?

Would that we could say the same thing for the the Catholic posters who went right to bashing Joseph Smith and demeaning her faith in a language that would have infuriated any of us.

Hmmmm…bashing seems to indicate spouting insults. We have done NOTHING but post the truth. We have posted the truth about Joseph Smith and about the LDS Church. I am uncertain why the truth offends you so. I hope I am just misunderstanding you. I also hope that you, deep inside, truly do not disagree with facing heresy with strength and truth.

Be Blessed
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Wait? wasn’t Parker banned? Is this some kind of odd multiverse thing?:hypno:🤓

Also, where have all the mormons gone? (other than Brother Parker)
 
Ooooh. So, I’m quick to defend Mormonism. What could I be? Maybe just a decent Catholic who thinks we need to relate to people better. Worthy of some suspicion, I guess.

Knight, you did not just speak the truth. You immediately called Smith a heretic and painted him as a loser in intricate detail. I’m from Central New York. I know his story well. I’m just saying you could have been more delicate about it as LivingWaters was being decent, I thought.

It’s been fun. Clearly, my ideas aren’t welcome here so I probably won’t be back.
 
Allen2Saint said:
Ooooh. So, I’m quick to defend Mormonism. What could I be? Maybe just a decent Catholic who thinks we need to relate to people better. Worthy of some suspicion, I guess.

Knight, you did not just speak the truth. You immediately called Smith a heretic and painted him as a loser in intricate detail. I’m from Central New York. I know his story well. I’m just saying you could have been more delicate about it as LivingWaters was being decent, I thought.

It’s been fun. Clearly, my ideas aren’t welcome here so I probably won’t be back.
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Allen,
I appreciate the tone of your posts. I realize many don’t agree with the LDS position and I’m fine with that. I do wish there could be more mutual respect and understanding as you have indicated.
 
Allen2Saint said:
Ooooh. So, I’m quick to defend Mormonism. What could I be? Maybe just a decent Catholic who thinks we need to relate to people better. Worthy of some suspicion, I guess.

Knight, you did not just speak the truth. You immediately called Smith a heretic and painted him as a loser in intricate detail. I’m from Central New York. I know his story well. I’m just saying you could have been more delicate about it as LivingWaters was being decent, I thought.

It’s been fun. Clearly, my ideas aren’t welcome here so I probably won’t be back.
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Like I said, I spoke the truth. You are from new York, I am from the LDS church. Guess who knows more about Mormonism?

Be blessed
 
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