Mormonism

[batman1973]

Ooooh. So, I’m quick to defend Mormonism. What could I be? Maybe just a decent Catholic who thinks we need to relate to people better. Worthy of some suspicion, I guess.

Knight, you did not just speak the truth. You immediately called Smith a heretic and painted him as a loser in intricate detail. I’m from Central New York. I know his story well. I’m just saying you could have been more delicate about it as LivingWaters was being decent, I thought.

It’s been fun. Clearly, my ideas aren’t welcome here so I probably won’t be back.

It’s not that we don’t welcome you here, or your civil discourse. It’s just that most of us here are former Mormons who are very intimately acquainted with Mr. Smith and his false organization.

 

[RebeccaJ]

I am disappointed by the judgemental attitudes and the simplistic thinking going on in this thread.

We have by far the most elaborate and well thought out theology on the planet, next to our Eastern Rite brothers and sisters, so where’s the graciousness?

Hey! What do you know? Snarkiness. Never could have seen that coming.

Hey what do you know a Catholic with contempt for other Catholics. I wish I never saw that coming.

 

[zaffiroborant]

Ooooh. So, I’m quick to defend Mormonism. What could I be? Maybe just a decent Catholic who thinks we need to relate to people better. Worthy of some suspicion, I guess.

Knight, you did not just speak the truth. You immediately called Smith a heretic and painted him as a loser in intricate detail. I’m from Central New York. I know his story well. I’m just saying you could have been more delicate about it as LivingWaters was being decent, I thought.

It’s been fun. Clearly, my ideas aren’t welcome here so I probably won’t be back.

I think it has little to do with your quickness to defend “Mormonism” and everything to do with your quickness to lecture the Catholic posters here. You expressed how disappointed you were with posters here on your 4th post at CAF overall and your second post in this forum. I’ve never understood why someone jumps into ongoing conversations, lectures the participants, and then is all kinds of upset when their moral superiority is not recognized.

 

[1voice]

I talked quite a bit on multiple threads with Parker before he got banned. He was frustrating to talk to at times but he was not one to cut and run.
That said. If there are any Mormons interested in this … I recently watched a video (posted on another thread here at CAF) by an x satanist (for over 20 years) now Catholic. He explained that satan was very organized, very focused, controlled large sums of money and had the allegiance of millions of people that willingly followed him… to the death. He said one of his jobs in satan’s army was to sew discord and work to bring down congregations/ churches with the goal of sending as many people as he can to hell… in order to spite God. He said that satan doesnt really care about the people one way or the other … It is God that he is wanting to hurt. He said that he focused on Baptist Churches and was very adept at what he did. He said that the two denominations that satan specifically targets in the greatest numbers are Baptists and Catholics. He also said that satan never ever targets Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses or Seventh Day Adventists.
Another interesting point is that the Bible code has been tested in the Book of Mormon and it does not work.
I realize that these two points can be pigeon holed as irrelevant … but they are food for thought.

Feedback?

 

[RebeccaJ]

What is “Bible code”?

 

[LittleSoldier]

Ya think!?!

 

[LittleSoldier]

Justaservant, we ARE in a community with them. It’s called Earth. And I am fine with my religion.

Of course, if Parker’s goals are to hound people on this board and convert people, as many have tried to convert me away from my Catholicism in my work as a chaplain, then we can be dignified and tell them no, ban them and move on.

Excuse me. *We *do not ban them. If they are banned it is because of moderator action and that is private business between a poster and the mods.

You can put other forum members on your Ignore List but you cannot ban them.

 

[LittleSoldier]

JD 4:218-220 Brigham Young, February 8, 1857

Unfortunately when you quote like you do this is what I get when I quote you.

Pretty much a blank page.

Yet what you brought up was something that has bothered me for a long, long time. Blood atonement. As this seems to be a general thread I would like to know what blood atonement really is.

And that is because blood atonement scares me.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Allen,
I appreciate the tone of your posts. I realize many don’t agree with the LDS position and I’m fine with that. I do wish there could be more mutual respect and understanding as you have indicated.

Why in the world would you “be fine” with many not agreeing with the LDS position? I’m Catholic and I hope and pray that everyone in the world becomes Catholic!! Don’t you want people to believe that your church is the correct church?

Wow.

 

[JustaServant]

Ooooh. So, I’m quick to defend Mormonism. What could I be? Maybe just a decent Catholic who thinks we need to relate to people better. Worthy of some suspicion, I guess.

It also could be you strange choice of a username.

 

[Janderich]

Why in the world would you “be fine” with many not agreeing with the LDS position? I’m Catholic and I hope and pray that everyone in the world becomes Catholic!! Don’t you want people to believe that your church is the correct church?

Wow.

I don’t come on a catholic forum with the express purpose of trying to convert people to the LDS faith. I believe it is an unfair position to take on such a forum. Would I have the whole world join and become members if I could? Sure. But there is a place and a time for everything. At this place and at this time I am simply content to speak truth as I see it, to clarify points of doctrine, and to call into question a few posts that put LDS beliefs in a false light.

 

[Janderich]

I don’t come on a catholic forum with the express purpose of trying to convert people to the LDS faith. I believe it is an unfair position to take on such a forum. Would I have the whole world join and become members if they would? Sure. But there is a place and a time for everything. At this place and at this time I am simply content to speak truth as I see it, to clarify points of doctrine, and to call into question a few posts that put LDS beliefs in a false light.

 

[Allen2Saint]

It also could be you strange choice of a username.

Clearly, you’re not a music lover.

Wow, Servant, any other ninth grade level zingers up your sleeve?

Lol…well, I know who and what I am and I don’t need to explain it. Perhaps the fact that there some folks here who are converts from Mormonism to Catholicism is the reason why the arguments are fueled with what I hear as rough, angry language.

I just feel, since we as Catholics are right and at home in our faith, we do not need to decry others with such severity. I heard severity. That’s all.

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

Stay on the thread topic please and not each other

 

[LittleSoldier]

Are you referring to the Comma Johanneum? If so, that isn’t in the Gospel of John, it’s in the First Epistle of John. Also, the arguments about the authenticity of those verses is of course subject to academic debate. In and of itself, I find no problem with them as a Latter-day Saint, since, while we reject the Trinity doctrine, we do believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one in purpose, will, love, and intent, and are referred to collectively as “Godhead” or “God” in our scriptures and other writings.

I’m sorry but I’m confused. I thought that Mormons do not believe in the Trinity yet I keep running across the term “Father, Son, and Holy Ghost” in posts written by Mormons. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit *is *the Trinity.

Will someone please explain this? Thanks.

 

[Jerusha]

I’m sorry but I’m confused. I thought that Mormons do not believe in the Trinity yet I keep running across the term “Father, Son, and Holy Ghost” in posts written by Mormons. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit *is *the Trinity.

Will someone please explain this? Thanks.

For Mormons, they are not three-in-one. They are three distinct persons working together. Two have flesh and bones bodies.

 

[LittleSoldier]

For Mormons, they are not three-in-one. They are three distinct persons working together. Two have flesh and bones bodies.

Ah. Thank you! I have to admit that is a bit uh, strange to me. I’m assuming it is the Holy Spirit who does not have flesh and bones.

Another question: When polygamy was allowed, were women allowed to have multiple husbands?

 

[LittleSoldier]

I talked quite a bit on multiple threads with Parker before he got banned. He was frustrating to talk to at times but he was not one to cut and run.
That said. If there are any Mormons interested in this … I recently watched a video (posted on another thread here at CAF) by an x satanist (for over 20 years) now Catholic. He explained that satan was very organized, very focused, controlled large sums of money and had the allegiance of millions of people that willingly followed him… to the death. He said one of his jobs in satan’s army was to sew discord and work to bring down congregations/ churches with the goal of sending as many people as he can to hell… in order to spite God. He said that satan doesnt really care about the people one way or the other … It is God that he is wanting to hurt. He said that he focused on Baptist Churches and was very adept at what he did. He said that the two denominations that satan specifically targets in the greatest numbers are Baptists and Catholics. He also said that satan never ever targets Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses or Seventh Day Adventists.
Another interesting point is that the Bible code has been tested in the Book of Mormon and it does not work.
I realize that these two points can be pigeon holed as irrelevant … but they are food for thought.

Feedback?

Having never heard of the Bible Code I shouldn’t respond to that part of what you presented. But as for the rest of it, well, that is one human being who appears to be making statements that cannot be backed up and are personal opinion. They may even qualify as personal revelation, which we can’t even discuss. I doubt very much that Satan does not target Mormons, JWs or Seventh Day Adventists. We are all targeted; every last one of us. If Satan hates God (which he does) and tempts us and takes our souls in order to hurt God, taking the soul of a Mormon would certainly hurt God as all Mormons are His children and He loves them so much.

Just sayin’.

 

[Jerusha]

Another question: When polygamy was allowed, were women allowed to have multiple husbands?

This occurred mostly during the Nauvoo era. According to my research, while husbands were away doing missionary duty, desperate wives with children, essentially abandoned by their husbands, would turn to the leaders of the church for assistance-- and one thing would lead to another. In response to this abuse, Emma Smith began the Women’s Relief Society.

The Relief Society was disbanded for a time in Utah under the despotic rule of Brigham Young. It gave too much power to the women. Later, it was re-instituted, but became a pale imitation of what it should be. Women alone should band together, in support of each other. That is why we Catholics have convents. Not harems.

 

[TexanKnight]

This occurred mostly during the Nauvoo era. According to my research, while husbands were away doing missionary duty, desperate wives with children, essentially abandoned by their husbands, would turn to the leaders of the church for assistance-- and one thing would lead to another. In response to this abuse, Emma Smith began the Women’s Relief Society.

The Relief Society was disbanded for a time in Utah under the despotic rule of Brigham Young. It gave too much power to the women. Later, it was re-instituted, but became a pale imitation of what it should be. Women alone should band together, in support of each other. That is why we Catholics have convents. Not harems.

Actually, Joseph was having an affair with a woman named Fanny Alger. He was discovered by Martin Harris. Others also found out, including Emma. To cover it up, Joseph stated he had received a revelation about polygamy.