Mormons Building Temple in Vatican's Backyard

[Cat_Herder]

You left out that there would be a falling away. A famine in the land of hearing the Gospel, that it would not be found.

[BIBLEDRB]Jude 1:3[/BIBLEDRB]

“Once for all” means that there will be no changes in this Faith and no new public revelations, doesn’t it?

[BIBLEDRB]Hebrews 1:1-4[/BIBLEDRB]

So there is no further need for any new prophet bearing public revelation, correct?

Let me just ask you this, once the persecution of Christians stopped, and Christianity came to power, what happened to anyone that disagreed with what the church leadership said? They were labled heretics, imprisoned and even put to death.

Which of the Inquisitions were arms of the Church, rather than of a civil government? How many people did the Roman Inquisition execute?

Remember Galileo? How dare the man of science contradict the revealed truth of the religious leaders. He was labled a heretic and his works were considered heresies, and was imprisoned…all for stating scientific fact.

If Galileo was imprisoned for his scientific teaching, why was [Fr. Nicolas Copernicus](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas Copernicus) not imprisoned for presenting exactly the same scientific teaching? What did Galileo teach besides science?

What happened was, inspired men began to cultivate a change…men like Luther, Calvin, Wesley, etc.

Luther was a rabid antisemite. Are you claiming that God inspired his antisemitic polemics?
Calvin says that men are predestined to become gods and are secretly grafted in to divinity, and that there is therefore no need for a church. If Calvin is inspired then why does the LDS Church or its alleged resonation even matter?

Also what happened was a country was founded that laid down laws with freedom of religion.

What does the Kingdom of Sicily have to do with the LDS Church?

If the US Constitution is divinely inspired, does God sanction slavery, forced relocation of Native Americans, divorce, abortion, contraception, the death penalty, and other things which were or are permitted by that constitution?

 

[KathleenGee]

The problem, Flyonthewall, is that the priesthood of Melchizedek is fulfilled in Jesus Christ and in whom He has chosen and called. And Christ’s priesthood has been going on since the beginning of the Church.

The priesthood is no longer Aaron’s but Christ’s priesthood.

Christ instituted His priesthood at the Last Supper in Jerusalem – the same location of Pentecost which is the beginning of the Church – not with Joseph Smith in MIdwest America.

When God moves to erect something, no man can take God’s work away, and that includes the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[flyonthewall]

[BIBLEDRB]Jude 1:3[/BIBLEDRB]

“Once for all” means that there will be no changes in this Faith and no new public revelations, doesn’t it?

It states “once delivered” not “once and for all”. There is a difference.

[BIBLEDRB]Hebrews 1:1-4[/BIBLEDRB]
So there is no further need for any new prophet bearing public revelation, correct?

I do not see your interpretation in that scriptural passage. I see him saying that prophets have spoken to our father in the past but we have recently heard from the Son. No mention of prophets not being needed in the future.

Which of the Inquisitions were arms of the Church, rather than of a civil government? How many people did the Roman Inquisition execute?

Are you saying that the church was the puppet of the civil government? Afterall, the inquisitions were done under the authority of the church…if this was wrong, why did the church go along with it?

If Galileo was imprisoned for his scientific teaching, why was [Fr. Nicolas Copernicus](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas Copernicus) not imprisoned for presenting exactly the same scientific teaching? What did Galileo teach besides science?

Copernicus did not want to publish his findings. He kept them to himself and the science community. Galileo publically taught heliocentrism, which got him in trouble with the church:

Galileo was found “vehemently suspect of heresy,” namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to “abjure, curse and detest” those opinions.[50]
He was sentenced to formal imprisonment at the pleasure of the Inquisition.[51] On the following day this was commuted to house arrest, which he remained under for the rest of his life.
His offending Dialogue was banned; and in an action not announced at the trial, publication of any of his works was forbidden, including any he might write in the future.[52]

Luther was a rabid antisemite. Are you claiming that God inspired his antisemitic polemics?
Calvin says that men are predestined to become gods and are secretly grafted in to divinity, and that there is therefore no need for a church. If Calvin is inspired then why does the LDS Church or its alleged resonation even matter?

These men were inspired to bring on change, not to preach the gospel. Seems the Catholic church was anti-semitic also in the past:
“The Roman Church kept a tight rein on religious expression throughout the Middle Ages. Jews were alternately tolerated and persecuted, the most notable examples of the latter being the expulsion of all Jews from Spain in 1492. Some of those who remained and converted were tried as heretics in the Inquisition for allegedly practicing Judaism in secret. Despite the persecution of Jews, they were the most tolerated non-Catholic faith in Europe.”

What does the Kingdom of Sicily have to do with the LDS Church?

Absolutely nothing. Why do you bring it up?

If the US Constitution is divinely inspired, does God sanction slavery, forced relocation of Native Americans, divorce, abortion, contraception, the death penalty, and other things which were or are permitted by that constitution?

The US Constitution was indeed inspired by God, how men carry it out may be faulty.
The Gospel of Christ is of divine origin, but has been used as an excuse to commit many atrocities.

As far as your questions about what God sanctions, maybe you better re-read the story of Moses and the Exodus, and their travels to the promised land, and what the Lord directed them to do along the way, and ask yourself that question.

 

[Cat_Herder]

It states “once delivered” not “once and for all”. There is a difference.

The translations from the Hebrew all have “once for all” which is why I provided this link.

Copernicus did not want to publish his findings. He kept them to himself and the science community. Galileo publically taught heliocentrism, which got him in trouble with the church:

Please be honest. Copernicus’s magnum opus was published through a bishop and was dedicated to the Pope!

These men were inspired to bring on change, not to preach the gospel. Seems the Catholic church was anti-semitic also in the past:

"The Roman Church kept a tight rein on religious expression throughout the Middle Ages. Jews were alternately tolerated and persecuted, the most notable examples of the latter being the expulsion of all Jews from Spain in 1492.

That was the Spanish Inquisition. The Church did not run the Spanish Inquisition and in fact made several attempts to shut it down—but couldn’t because Spain had too much military pull.

The US Constitution was indeed inspired by God, how men carry it out may be faulty.

So the LDS church teaches that the following statement is the word of God:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

“All other persons” means African slaves. Mormon racism is well documented so I won’t discuss it further.

As far as your questions about what God sanctions, maybe you better re-read the story of Moses and the Exodus, and their travels to the promised land, and what the Lord directed them to do along the way, and ask yourself that question.

Again, we see the parallels between Mormonism and dispensationalism. Jesus was eminently clear that His kingdom is NOT of this world.

 

[ParkerD]

The translations from the Hebrew all have “once for all” which is why I provided this link.

Cat Herder,

Perhaps this can be a last thing I learn from this forum–where the thinking process goes that takes that verse and makes faith into a one time event.

In your mind, evidently, the “faith which was once for all delivered to the saints” wherein “once” means “only a one time event” (if I am understanding your explanation), would mean that “faith” was delivered as a one time event? So which saints were the “lucky” saints who experienced that one time event of the delivery of faith, and when was the one time event that they received it?

 

[Cat_Herder]

Cat Herder,

Perhaps this can be a last thing I learn from this forum–where the thinking process goes that takes that verse and makes faith into a one time event.

In your mind, evidently, the “faith which was once for all delivered to the saints” wherein “once” means “only a one time event” (if I am understanding your explanation), would mean that “faith” was delivered as a one time event? So which saints were the “lucky” saints who experienced that one time event of the delivery of faith, and when was the one time event that they received it?

No, because they were commanded to pass it on without change.

[BIBLEDRB]Mt 28:18-20[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Mk 13:31[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]2 Tim 2:2[/BIBLEDRB]

Something to ponder… if at some point there was an apostasy and the command/promise of worthy men to pass on what was taught was not kept, the the word of the Lord would have passed away, right? But He promised that would not happen—so it is an impossibility.

 

[ParkerD]

No, because they were commanded to pass it on without change.

[BIBLEDRB]Mt 28:18-20[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Mk 13:31[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]2 Tim 2:2[/BIBLEDRB]

Something to ponder… if at some point there was an apostasy and the command/promise of worthy men to pass on what was taught was not kept, the the word of the Lord would have passed away, right? But He promised that would not happen—so it is an impossibility.

Cat Herder,

So now I’m getting a new take on the words “my words shall not pass away.” Here I have thought it was clear enough that since the passage (whether in Mark or in Matthew) is talking about the “heaven” passing away after the days of tribulation, with the stars falling from heaven and the moon not giving her light, that though the heaven thereby “passes away” from the viewpoint of mankind, Jesus’ prophecies about the end times and about His Second Coming will not pass away–meaning will still be fulfilled, even in the midst of the “passing away” of the heavens. Here I have thought it was clear that the emphasis was being placed on Jesus’ prophecies and assurances that His Second Coming would really, really happen.

Evidently, not so clear to some as I have thought…OK–I learn from this example that such a teaching about the sure coming fulfillment of the prophecy of the Second Coming can be taken different ways to be believed to mean something totally different.

 

[roveau]

Hi Cat Herder - But this temple will have a visitor’s center and gardens so those in town to see the sights will likely find an open door. And, my guess, a shuttle bus waiting at the Vatican to bring them on over.
Or at least Mormon billboards advertising “I am a Mormon” with a picture of an Italian family hugging on their front porch…or t.v. ads showing an Italian artist or something showing that he is a Mormon…just to highlight how diverse they really are.
(A religion that advertises…???)
Why the cross? Wow - they are always changing aren’t they?

Mormanism is an American religion, and hasn’t swept the masses in other countries. It is unlikely to sway the Italians… or the Romans… who have a background of 2000 plus years history. They have seen heresies come and go.

Besides, Rome has churches of all sorts of denominations and mosques and synagoges without the citizens of Rome pounding down the doors to get in and convert.

 

[Cat_Herder]

Cat Herder,

So now I’m getting a new take on the words “my words shall not pass away.” Here I have thought it was clear enough that since the passage (whether in Mark or in Matthew) is talking about the “heaven” passing away after the days of tribulation, with the stars falling from heaven and the moon not giving her light, that though the heaven thereby “passes away” from the viewpoint of mankind, Jesus’ prophecies about the end times and about His Second Coming will not pass away–meaning will still be fulfilled, even in the midst of the “passing away” of the heavens. Here I have thought it was clear that the emphasis was being placed on Jesus’ prophecies and assurances that His Second Coming would really, really happen.

Evidently, not so clear to some as I have thought…OK–I learn from this example that such a teaching about the sure coming fulfillment of the prophecy of the Second Coming can be taken different ways to be believed to mean something totally different.

Well, you know that Jesus also said this with regard to the days of tribulation:

[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 24:21-34[/BIBLEDRB]

None of those things have yet come to pass, and all of that generation has passed away—except one Woman. Of course, as soon as you acknowledge that She has not passed away, you have become Catholic. The only alternatives are symbolizing all of the end-times prophecies, destroying the English language with regards to the word “this,” or atheism.

 

[ParkerD]

Well, you know that Jesus also said this with regard to the days of tribulation:

[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 24:21-34[/BIBLEDRB]

None of those things have yet come to pass, and all of that generation has passed away—except one Woman. Of course, as soon as you acknowledge that She has not passed away, you have become Catholic. The only alternatives are symbolizing all of the end-times prophecies, destroying the English language with regards to the word “this,” or atheism.

Cat Herder,

So now I catch a glimpse of yet another verse that takes a couple of words (“this generation”) that to me refer so clearly back to verses 21 and 22 and would mean that the generation that lives to see the fulfillment of those verses would also (some of those people) live to see the fulfillment of the literal Second Coming of Christ–and instead has those words mean that the Virgin Mary would be the only person (not a generation–just one person) who would fulfill that prophecy?

OK–I have learned another take on what I thought was a fairly straightforward prophecy about the years before the Second Coming, and the generation that will be living at that time. (I guess to each their own.)

 

[flyonthewall]

The translations from the Hebrew all have “once for all” which is why I provided this link.

There doesn’t seem to be a consensus on the translation.

Please be honest. Copernicus’s magnum opus was published through a bishop and was dedicated to the Pope!

From the same link you provided:

Very soon, nevertheless, Copernicus’ theory was attacked with Scripture and with the common Aristotelian proofs. In 1549 Melanchthon, Luther’s principal lieutenant, wrote against Copernicus, pointing to the theory’s apparent conflict with Scripture and advocating that “severe measures” be taken to restrain the impiety of Copernicans.[10] The works of Copernicus and Zúñiga—the latter for asserting that De revolutionibus was compatible with Catholic faith—were placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by a decree of the Sacred Congregation of March 5, 1616:

This Holy Congregation has also learned about the spreading and acceptance by many of the false Pythagorean doctrine, altogether contrary to the Holy Scripture, that the earth moves and the sun is motionless, which is also taught by Nicholaus Copernicus’ De revolutionibus orbium coelestium and by Diego de Zúñiga’s In Job… Therefore, in order that this opinion may not creep any further to the prejudice of Catholic truth, the Congregation has decided that the books by Nicolaus Copernicus [De revolutionibus] and Diego de Zúñiga [In Job] be suspended until corrected.[11]

De revolutionibus was not formally banned but merely withdrawn from circulation, pending “corrections” that would clarify the theory’s status as hypothesis. Nine sentences that represented the heliocentric system as certain were to be omitted or changed. After these corrections were prepared and formally approved in 1620 the reading of the book was permitted.[12] But the book was never reprinted with the changes and was available in Catholic jurisdictions only to suitably qualified scholars, by special request.[citation needed] It remained on the Index until 1758, when Pope Benedict XIV (1740-58) removed the uncorrected book from his revised Index.[13]

That was the Spanish Inquisition. The Church did not run the Spanish Inquisition and in fact made several attempts to shut it down—but couldn’t because Spain had too much military pull.

It was through a Papal bull that the Monarchy received its authority. It then proceeded with church authority. Did not the church have the authority to withdraw its support of it? Where was the Holy Spirit in all of this?

So the LDS church teaches that the following statement is the word of God:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

“All other persons” means African slaves. Mormon racism is well documented so I won’t discuss it further.

We have not ever stated that the constitution is the word of God, but its authors were inspired by God. There is a difference.
Of course if you use the same standard for everything, God is a racist too, and is well documented in scripture.

Again, we see the parallels between Mormonism and dispensationalism. Jesus was eminently clear that His kingdom is NOT of this world.

I direct you review things that God has already commanded and instituted, and you bring up dispensationalism…this is a deflection and an attempt to not address your own question. Look it up, has god sanctioned slavery?(hint: see bondmen/bondmaidens). Has god sanctioned removing people from our of their lands?(hint: read about the Israelites settling into their promised land). Has God sanctioned the death penalty? (hint: see the law of Moses). All those things you have listed as a negative, God has already instituted in the past. But that is neither here nor there as you were trying to equate the Constitution as the Word of God, which we have never claimed.
We say the authors were inspired to lay the groundwork for a country that would have religious freedom and an environment where the Gospel of Jesus Christ could be established and flourish. The Constitution is such a document.

The Kingdom of God may not be OF this world, but will most certainly be built IN this world.

 

[JeanMichel]

Were I to disclose my CV you would be intimidated, or perhaps horrified, so I won’t do so.

Alas my child, you may find that I would rejoice in your accomplishments. Horrified? Alas, it would be sad if there were none. There are the self-learned that are geniuses in their own right and I respect these individuals. Where disappointment, never horror, develops is where one speaks from ignorance, repeating the statements of others without understanding, yet speaking as if it is sure knowledge.

We need to prepare all our children, regardless of their church affiliation, to prepare to meet the overwhelming onslaught of liberal thinking that passes for university education in US schools. I attended a graduation of a friend’s daughter some ten years ago and was amazed at how mind numbing the speaker was. It was devoid of historical knowledge or grasp of the evolution of philosophical thought. In talking with my friend I found out that his daughter had complained several times about how narrow the school’s approach was. In brief, it seemed more to be a breeding ground for secular thought and had long abandoned any commitment to true, objective approach to university level education. Yes, we must all prepare our children. We should start first by helping them to understand a great college of which there are many.

 

[apexviper]

Well, guys, the holy city of Rome will soon be the site of a Mormon temple. Here is the link:

ldschurchtemples.com/rome/video/

Apparently the temple will have a cross on the door to the temple - something you’ll never, ever find in or near a Mormon temple (if they can help it). Unfrortuantely, the biblically and doctrinally illiterate will most likely be impressed by the structure, and become drawn to Mormonism.

Your priests better get on the ball and start telling your folks about the doctrinal deviations of this group - I mean, shouldn’t the Pope say something?

Canterbury, as bad as it is, doesn’t have a Mormon temple in its backyard, thank the Lord!

Anglican gal

That’s awesome. Why would the “pope” want to say something against Christ’s temples being built?

 

[Cat_Herder]

Alas my child, you may find that I would rejoice in your accomplishments. Horrified?

Well, people have, how shall I say it, strong feelings about my profession.

We need to prepare all our children, regardless of their church affiliation, to prepare to meet the overwhelming onslaught of liberal thinking that passes for university education in US schools. I attended a graduation of a friend’s daughter some ten years ago and was amazed at how mind numbing the speaker was. It was devoid of historical knowledge or grasp of the evolution of philosophical thought. In talking with my friend I found out that his daughter had complained several times about how narrow the school’s approach was. In brief, it seemed more to be a breeding ground for secular thought and had long abandoned any commitment to true, objective approach to university level education. Yes, we must all prepare our children. We should start first by helping them to understand a great college of which there are many.

 

[Cat_Herder]

It was through a Papal bull that the Monarchy received its authority. It then proceeded with church authority. Did not the church have the authority to withdraw its support of it? Where was the Holy Spirit in all of this?

No infallible decisions were involved. If you read the article you know that the Pope tried to shut down the Inquisition but Spain threw their military might around.

We have not ever stated that the constitution is the word of God, but its authors were inspired by God. There is a difference.
Of course if you use the same standard for everything, God is a racist too, and is well documented in scripture.

All of the things you describe happened before Calvary.

 

[flyonthewall]

No infallible decisions were involved. If you read the article you know that the Pope tried to shut down the Inquisition but Spain threw their military might around.

If this was not an infallible decision, then it must have been a good decision…and if it was a good decision, why was it trying to be reversed by the church, which made the decision to begin with.
The direction that this goes is not a good one so I will leave it at that.

 

[KathleenGee]

flyonthewall,

First, Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of all prophets. The event happened in Jerusalem not with Joseph Smith…was it in Illinois? Just that construct alone causes me to back off from any other new religion.

Revelations and the second coming of Christ are two heavy areas of reflection. The top Catholic scholar of the Apocalypse says we are actually at the time approaching an event that will be akin to the last judgmenet but it will not be. The Second Coming of Christ comes at the end of the world and He will give us a new heaven and new earth…and this vision that we have of the future is in Revelations 22, and many see the first step into this new heaven and earth in its symbolism, and how it portrays the universal, sacrificial nature of the Catholic Mass – the daily Sacrifice.

The issue with Galileo was when he crossed the boundary of science and theology, and started to become a self-proclaimed theologian. He was a scientist and what he hit was the the belief of all people in those times, that the earth was round and not flat.

Everybody believed the world was flat…it was not just a church issue. And that is also why faith, reason, and science should work together.

St. Athanasius was born in Egypt, in the post Apostolic times and promoted throughout the need for the Church to always seek education. St. Thomas Aquinas and his predecessor brought in the erudite tradition in metaphysics proving the existence of God using an Aristotelian form of cause and effect.

Flyonthewall, if you want to study the Inquisition, Rome now has its archive documents on this topic, opened in 2003 to the public. What the documents proved was what we always suspected, that there were so many claims that were exaggerated or not true. In fact who started this excess were none other than two American men from the Stone Campbell movement in the 1830 -50’s anti-Roman church movement your founder also drew on…the great abomination church etc.

The Vatican has the greatest library in the world, and the Church has always been known to keep documents as best it can in the conditions in which it has lived, on the lives of the local churches. There is a Jewish group called, www.pavetheway.org, who came into the Vatican to research on the Holocaust and investigate Pope Pius XII and his crimes against the Jews by doing nothing.

What they ended up experiencing is why the Church didn’t do more to defend itself in its good will. My biggest gripe against Mormons is that they refuse to study objective Catholic Church history. Here is your chance, go to the Vatican to find out about the Inquisition and study our history. You will never understand the Roman Catholic Church if all you read are short sighted biased articles. The best study is seeing both sides of the event or institution in context of its times by various authors.

 

[KathleenGee]

The responses by those to Cat Herder’s post require another thread…

 

[lax16]

No, you misunderstand. The priesthood is the power and authority to act in God’s stead here on earth to perform rites and ordinances as well as administer in His church. Before Aaron and sons received it, it was passed from father to first born son.
The priesthood was changed after the Exodus to be given to Aaron and sons, as well as the Levites. It was given to Aaron because of his faithfulness, not because of them being related to God and Jesus(aside from the fact that we are all children of God).

There is nothing in the Bible to back this up. The priesthood did not exist before God bestowed it upon Aaron then said it would be for his offspring only.
Please show where it was in existence before it was given to Aaron.
How and when was the priesthood changed?

And this is what you use to say the Melchizedek priesthood is not transferrable? I wonder if we are reading the same words.

Hebrews 7:23-24:And the others indeed were made many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing: But he, because he continueth for ever, hath an everlasting priesthood.
commentary (Douay-Rheims) The apostle notes this difference betwwen the high priests of the law, and our high priest, Jesus Christ; that they being removed by death, made way for their successors: whereas our Lord Jesus is a priest for ever, and hath no successor; but liveth and concurreth for ever with his ministers, the priests of the New Testament, in all their functions.

Is this statement worded the way you inteded? As I read it, first you say Jesus and Melchizedek were called by God, then you say that no where in the Bible does it say they were.

It should have read that Peter, James and John were not a part of the Melchizedek priesthood according to to the Bible.

It stated right in Hebrews 5:4 that a man must be called of God, and that is enough to tell me that anyone with the priesthood was called of God.
Now, Peter, James and John, along with all the other Apostles were called of God. In John 15, Jesus states that He has chosen them and ordained them. Matthew 16 says that He has given them the keys of the kingdom. It is obvious and very plain that Jesus bestowed upon them power and authority, otherwise known as the priesthood.

Yes, but not the Aaronic priesthood because one must be of Aaron’s lineage and there is no mention of the apostles being called to the Melchizedek priesthood!

This may be semantics, but the Aaronic priesthood does not come from the lineage of Aaron…It comes from God and was given to Aaron and his decsendants.

Semantics!? It is stated *very clearly *that only Aaron and his descendants can hold the Aaronic priesthood. Show me where it states this otherwise.

I believe they did ordain leaders of the different congregations. The issue is stewardship. Someone set in place to lead a specific congregation, has stewardship to do so, but does not have the stewardship to lead the entire church.

Please explain this more.

You left out that there would be a falling away. A famine in the land of hearing the Gospel, that it would not be found.

Jesus knew that there would be great opposition, that is why He promised that the gates of hell would not prevail (despite their efforts to tear down the Church) and that the Holy Spirit would always remain with His Church (and it has, unless you would like to claim otherwise?)
Like I have stated before, if you want to claim that any church that has problems with people not hearing the message, then the mormon church had a great apostasy in its beginnings as well.

Let me just ask you this, once the persecution of Christians stopped, and Christianity came to power, what happened to anyone that disagreed with what the church leadership said? They were labled heretics, imprisoned and even put to death. Remember Galileo? How dare the man of science contradict the revealed truth of the religious leaders. He was labled a heretic and his works were considered heresies, and was imprisoned…all for stating scientific fact.

When did the persecution stop?
When did Christianity come to power?
Who was put to death?

What happened was, inspired men began to cultivate a change…men like Luther, Calvin, Wesley, etc. Also what happened was a country was founded that laid down laws with freedom of religion.

I thought that the apostasy happened after the last apostle died?
What Church was Luther fighting against?

Again, The Aaronic priesthood as given to Aaron was to officiate in the things of the Law of Moses. That law has been fulfilled, and the priesthood was changed…just as it was changed when it was given to Aaron.

Who changed the priesthood and when?

I disagree. I think it matches perfectly what is in the Bible.

Please cite your scripture matches. Thanks!

 

[KathleenGee]

Like all others that want to compete and overcome the Roman Catholic Church, there is always the position to misunderstand, misquote, misapply and deny…this is not the working of the Holy Spirit.

All Hebrew men were of the priesthood, but after the worship of the Golden Calf – to serve themselves and make themselves as God…the general population of Hebrew men removed themselves as true priests, and this was never revoked. The priesthood then went only to the Levites, the only tribe that remained faithful to God.

The Levite priesthood ended with the destruction of the Jewish temple and was replaced by the cornerstone of Jesus Christ Who then instituted His priesthood in Jerusalem.

The language used by Christians in ancient times is the same as language and thought used today in the Catholic Church. Mormons come here to learn theology so that their religion can learn from us and gain credibility. I did not see any theology in the old Mormon books but wild claims and a terrible condemnation against my church and the Protestants in general.

How much of Mormonism has even consulted with the Jewish scholars? I know the Jews are very upset by Mormons claiming to baptize them into their belief system.

Mormonism has removed alot of books of its origins. We maintain the knowledge of our ancient documents that are in use today.