Mormons confessing to their bishops?

[why_me]

I cannot say that what happened to hubby is something that always happens, I do not know that. Yes, he was called to confess once a year. Several times during this time he was asked to go before a counsel. .

Love and peace,
Mom of 5

This sounds a little strange. I will say however that if I am a mormon and I commit a serious sin, ie, adultery, fornication etc and go to the bishop to confess, depending on my circumstances and remorse and god, I may be called before a counsel if excommunication proceedings are deemed necessary. But for no other reason is a mormon asked to go before a counsel.

I think that Hal will back me up on this one. Was your husband disfellowshipped or excommunicated at the time that all this was happening? The bishop may have been seeking a progress report in order to reinstate him into full fellowship.

 

[why_me]

Usually it is a Catholic who has little exposure to mormonism asking a question about something they heard, or read, or a mormon they know told them. Mormons usually respond with half-truths. And sometimes just** blatantly false **information, when compared against what lds.org publishes and mormon leaders do and have taught.

It is just plain unsupportable, this idea that mormonism should be tolerated as benign. The goal since its inception has been to replace every single persons religious belief with that of mormonism. Catholicism has existed since Christ founded His Church. **Mormonism works at undermining everything **the Catholic Church has taught as truth for 2000 years. And in all honesty, I see **your attempts at mormonizing **Catholicism as just **another attempt to imbue **long held truths with lies.

So, if you view a stance of clarifying what mormonism is, what it teaches, what its goals are, as dropping bombs from 10,000 feet…I can only say that you are one confused human.

Need I say more??? :banghead: :irish3:

 

[majick275]

church courts don’t have to excommunicate or disfellowship. they can impose formal probation, informal probation or even choose to take no action. they go through the same process either way. the only difference in procedure is between stake and ward level courts.

 

[Mom_of_5]

This sounds a little strange. I will say however that if I am a mormon and I commit a serious sin, ie, adultery, fornication etc and go to the bishop to confess, depending on my circumstances and remorse and god, I may be called before a counsel if excommunication proceedings are deemed necessary. But for no other reason is a mormon asked to go before a counsel.

I think that Hal will back me up on this one. Was your husband disfellowshipped or excommunicated at the time that all this was happening? The bishop may have been seeking a progress report in order to reinstate him into full fellowship.

The answer is NO!!! He was not being excommunicated, no to adultry. He refused to give “testimony” when the HT came to the house because as he told them, he was not at all sure that he believed in LDS faith. That would have been his only “crime”. Sorry, it is really quite simple. They were doing everything they could to keep him in the church including reminding him that if he left the church he would go to “outer darkness”. This is really what kept him from taking his name off the membership roles for so long. As he said, it was a very serious step to take and he wanted to be as sure as he could that he was doing the right thing. Praying on the BOM didn’t do a thing for him. You can doubt all you wish, but it is all true.

Mom of 5

 

[truthsilence]

Need I say more??? :banghead: :irish3:

whyme, RebeccaJ’ s point of view can be verified and understood just by reading the threads on this forum. Why do you feel the need to embolden her words? She is perfectly capable of presenting herself, the way she wants to.

And you do seem quite confused. I can’t figure out where you’re coming from either, most of the time. So I’ll just say, even if you don’t* feel *confused, your posts are confusing.

Both the LDS and the Catholic church can’t possibly be telling God’s truth. I believe it’s the Catholic church telling the truth. I think it would be nice if you’d make a decision yourself. It would certainly be less frustrating to read your posts.

Peace,
Tami

 

[rpp]

My dear lady, you know nothing about Mormonism, and what you are saying is not true. I suggest that in the future you confine your comments to something that (hopefully) you know something about (if that is not too much to ask).
{snip}

May I suggest that in the future you confine your comments to Catholicism (about which you are probably equally uninformed), and leave the explanation of Mormonism to Mormons?

zerinus

Because she is a continuing and never ending “bleep” about Mormonism (of which she knows nothing). It is about time somebody set her straight.

zerinus

If mom of 5 needs an apology than every mormon who posts on this forum needs an apology for the rude use of words directed against the lds church and its leaders.

Mom made a comment and was proven wrong by me and Zerinus. She refused to back down. And that was the problem.

I msut say that it can be a little disconcerting to have so much negative vibrations about mormonism on this forum. This forum is right up there with some of the forums that dedicate themselves to antimormons. However, it is only a handful of posters that have a bedbug about mormonism. Most catholics that I know in person are rather respectful. I tend to handle the misconceptions about mormons rather well with some of my catholic friends.
{snip}

You see Hal, for some strange reason when someone like mom of 5 writes about mormonism even if it was her personal experience they seem to write as if it is a world wide practice in the lds church. That is the problem. I cannot tell what were Mom’s intentions but what happens at the bishop’s level may have been the mistake of that bishop.

In this case, I have a hard time believing that the bishop was calling her husband to repentence every year. The membership would be in an uproar if it were happening to them. There is no way that a bishop could get away with it, as you probably know.

Usually, it is the catholics that begin the conversation with a negative about mormonism. And then they continue with the negatives. I see no discussion, only catholic accusations.

What are the mormons to do? Sit idly by and let it happen? Now if people would learn to discuss and not accuse, then I could perhaps see some progress. But as it stands, the accusations keep flying off the roof. And the negatives are dropped like bombs from 10,000 feet about the mormon faith

And it is done a from a position of ‘truth’.

Such wonderful examples of charity. Really gives me a warm feeling.

 

[zerinus]

Such wonderful examples of charity. Really gives me a warm feeling.

Such wonderful example of hypocrisy gives me a feeling.

zerinus

 

[Michael_Francis]

Closed pending Moderator review.

 

[holdencaulfield]

A friend of mine is mormon, he converted a few years ago. He claims that he goes to his bishop and confesses his ‘worst’ sins to him. I have never heard of this being done by mormons and I wonder if this is common. My friend was not a catholic before he converted, but claims that this is equal to the sacrament of confession done in the catholic church. Although i’m not sure if he claims that the Bishop has the power to forgive him as a priest does, which leads me to question why he does this at all.

I for one would not feel comfortable with this, even if I was a mormon.

Only a follower of Christ would be able to forgive sins. So I don’t think that the Mormon could forgive sins as they are not a Christian.

 

[why_me]

Only a follower of Christ would be able to forgive sins. So I don’t think that the Mormon could forgive sins as they are not a Christian.

And are catholics christian? Some say yes,and some say no. It all depends on the viewpoint. But It is always nice to see christians judging just who is a christian. I am sure that god is very happy about this. Heck, if I were god, I would certainly want christians bickering over who is christian and who isn’t.

It would make my day.

 

[why_me]

whyme, RebeccaJ’ s point of view can be verified and understood just by reading the threads on this forum. Why do you feel the need to embolden her words? She is perfectly capable of presenting herself, the way she wants to.

Peace,
Tami

Well, of course, this is true. She is capable of presenting herself on this forum. But her language is not supportive of dialogue. I emboldened her words to show the explosive nature of her language and how such language is difficult to communicate with.

 

[why_me]

And you do seem quite confused. I can’t figure out where you’re coming from either, most of the time. So I’ll just say, even if you don’t* feel *confused, your posts are confusing.

Both the LDS and the Catholic church can’t possibly be telling God’s truth. I believe it’s the Catholic church telling the truth. I think it would be nice if you’d make a decision yourself. It would certainly be less frustrating to read your posts.

Peace,
Tami

In regards to your first paragraph, I don’t see myself as a fanatic and so, I can take a middle ground. I also have lds daughters who are doing very well in the faith and they are living good christian lives, attempting to keep the commandments of god as best as they can. Certainly if they were catholics, they would be considered super-catholics since they seem to live very moral and modest lives. And so, I can see the good in mormonism.

As for myself, I see the good in both faiths. Now which one is true? I have no idea. Both can make good truth claims and so, I keep an open mind about it all. At this moment in my life, it is not very important to me.

Let me put it this way, both churches can have a checkered history. Even at this moment there is an uproar in Switzerland because the local catholic church (diocese) knew of a child molester priest and did nothing about it. Now the priest is held up in a monastary in France being encouraged by the RCC to give himself up. How can men of god do such stupid things, not just the RC priest but those priests and bishops who kept it all quiet?

And that is my point. I take a middle ground with religion and who or what has the truth. It is better that way. I would prefer to see good in both churches and in people, well knowing just how imperfect we all are.

 

[truthsilence]

Well, of course, this is true. She is capable of presenting herself on this forum. But her language is not supportive of dialogue. I emboldened her words to show the explosive nature of her language and how such language is difficult to communicate with.

Your language is difficult to communicate with. And, BTW, explosive nature is an exaggeration, to the extreme.

Peace,
Tami

 

[truthsilence]

In regards to your first paragraph, I don’t see myself as a fanatic and so, I can take a middle ground. I also have lds daughters who are doing very well in the faith and they are living good christian lives, attempting to keep the commandments of god as best as they can. Certainly if they were catholics, they would be considered super-catholics since they seem to live very moral and modest lives. And so, I can see the good in mormonism.

As for myself, I see the good in both faiths. Now which one is true? I have no idea. Both can make good truth claims and so, I keep an open mind about it all. At this moment in my life, it is not very important to me.

Let me put it this way, both churches can have a checkered history. Even at this moment there is an uproar in Switzerland because the local catholic church (diocese) knew of a child molester priest and did nothing about it. Now the priest is held up in a monastary in France being encouraged by the RCC to give himself up. How can men of god do such stupid things, not just the RC priest but those priests and bishops who kept it all quiet?

And that is my point. I take a middle ground with religion and who or what has the truth. It is better that way. I would prefer to see good in both churches and in people, well knowing just how imperfect we all are.

Please read my response, on the “Balanced view of Mormonism” thread.

God bless you,
Tami

 

[MHalsey]

In regards to your first paragraph, I don’t see myself as a fanatic and so, I can take a middle ground. I also have lds daughters who are doing very well in the faith and they are living good christian lives, attempting to keep the commandments of god as best as they can. Certainly if they were catholics, they would be considered super-catholics since they seem to live very moral and modest lives. And so, I can see the good in mormonism.

As for myself, I see the good in both faiths. Now which one is true? I have no idea. Both can make good truth claims and so, I keep an open mind about it all. At this moment in my life, it is not very important to me.

Let me put it this way, both churches can have a checkered history. Even at this moment there is an uproar in Switzerland because the local catholic church (diocese) knew of a child molester priest and did nothing about it. Now the priest is held up in a monastary in France being encouraged by the RCC to give himself up. How can men of god do such stupid things, not just the RC priest but those priests and bishops who kept it all quiet?

And that is my point. I take a middle ground with religion and who or what has the truth. It is better that way. I would prefer to see good in both churches and in people, well knowing just how imperfect we all are.

How a person lives does not determine the truth of a religion. You must look deeper than that. Your very soul depends on it. Sooner or later you will have to ask yourself what you truly believe.

I think this is why so many are confused by these posts. To equate the Catholic Church with the LDS based on the virtues or sins of the followers, does a disservice to either religion.

 

[majick275]

In regards to your first paragraph, I don’t see myself as a fanatic and so, I can take a middle ground. I also have lds daughters who are doing very well in the faith and they are living good christian lives, attempting to keep the commandments of god as best as they can. Certainly if they were catholics, they would be considered super-catholics since they seem to live very moral and modest lives. And so, I can see the good in mormonism.

As for myself, I see the good in both faiths.** Now which one is true? I have no idea.** Both can make good truth claims and so, I keep an open mind about it all. At this moment in my life, it is not very important to me.

Let me put it this way, both churches can have a checkered history. Even at this moment there is an uproar in Switzerland because the local catholic church (diocese) knew of a child molester priest and did nothing about it. Now the priest is held up in a monastary in France being encouraged by the RCC to give himself up. How can men of god do such stupid things, not just the RC priest but those priests and bishops who kept it all quiet?

And that is my point. I take a middle ground with religion and who or what has the truth. It is better that way. I would prefer to see good in both churches and in people, well knowing just how imperfect we all are.

and yet you have posted your testimony on these boards that you believe that the BoM is true. Kinda puts you firmly in the LDS camp don’t you think?

 

[PaulDupre]

That’s true; you cannot be a Catholic and believe in the Book of Mormon.

Paul

 

[truthsilence]

In regards to your first paragraph, I don’t see myself as a fanatic and so, I can take a middle ground. I also have lds daughters who are doing very well in the faith and they are living good christian lives, attempting to keep the commandments of god as best as they can. Certainly if they were catholics, they would be considered super-catholics since they seem to live very moral and modest lives. And so, I can see the good in mormonism.

As for myself, I see the good in both faiths. Now which one is true? I have no idea. Both can make good truth claims and so, I keep an open mind about it all. At this moment in my life, it is not very important to me.

So that’s it, then? You’re basically game playing? If truth claims are not very important to you at this moment, why are you on this Catholic Answers forum trying to defend the claims of mormonism? Perhaps it would be better if you wait to give your opinions when they mean something to you.

Let me put it this way, both churches can have a checkered history. Even at this moment there is an uproar in Switzerland because the local catholic church (diocese) knew of a child molester priest and did nothing about it. Now the priest is held up in a monastary in France being encouraged by the RCC to give himself up. How can men of god do such stupid things, not just the RC priest but those priests and bishops who kept it all quiet?

I don’t really want to discuss “checkered history” with you because it has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation. I will say that, Christians are allowed to talk openly about exactly what has happened in their history without fear of being censured or excommunicated. Can you say that about the LDS?

And that is my point. I take a middle ground with religion and who or what has the truth. It is better that way. I would prefer to see good in both churches and in people, well knowing just how imperfect we all are.

I don’t see what you are doing as taking a middle ground. I think you clearly fall on the side of mormonism. But for whatever reason, personal to you I’m sure, you still enjoy the mass. So you attend mass. Then you come here to defend the mormon church and you refuse calling people out when they bash our Catholic Faith. How is that the better way?

 

[RebeccaJ]

Well, of course, this is true. She is capable of presenting herself on this forum. But her language is not supportive of dialogue. I emboldened her words to show the explosive nature of her language and how such language is difficult to communicate with.

My language communicates exactly what I want communicated.

Here’s how I see it whyme, you want people here to agree with your position that the lds church and Catholicism are the same thing.

You keep bringing up the fact that your daughters are good people as the reason for this. I say so what. I raised my daughter as an atheist. She is a good person. She is a beautiful example of all that is good. She is happy. We talk about God and religion and she has no interest in religion whatsoever. I was very successful in raising her as an atheist, and there was a time in my life where I was happy beyond belief for that success.

Does that mean I should come here and show support for atheism? If I did do you think it would be well received? Hey everyone, it is ok for you to hold to your beliefs that God does not exist and still go up for communion every week because it makes you feel good!

It’s a step, certainly, in the right direction. But I believe God calls us to do more than what feels good.

I believe you, that your daughters are good people. I have many, many family members, all who are very active mormons, and they are all good people who I love dearly. That doesn’t mean that I believe the religion they adhere to is anything but a sham.

The thing is whyme, there is a time where you are going to have to get real with it all. As a person who was baptized in the Catholic faith, you had an obligation to raise your daughters in that faith.

As a person who has a creator, a God who defines who I am, I should have raised my daughter to know God.

This isn’t about your daughters or mine. This is about what is truth and what is not.

 

[why_me]

truthsilence:
The point that I was trying to make is that: I don’t see criticizing anyone’s church or faith to be very productive. Most of the extreme negatives about mormonism comes from exmormons who are now catholics. I don’t see the emotional negativity from never mormon catholics. But the exmormons have an axe to grind. And it shows in use of language.

I am on this forum to communicate with catholics about the catholic faith. But unfortunately, the harsh language by mostly exmormons about mormons compells me to defend aspects of mormonism. Now if there were no mormon threads, I would be happy reading and commenting on catholic threads without reference to mormonism and in agreement with many of the catholic posters about catholicism.

I bring up the checkered past as a way to show that any criticism of mormon leaders can come to haunt catholics as catholic leaders have been far from perfect in the affairs of the ‘true’ church. The sin stone is a hard stone to throw.

On here I do take a middle ground toward mormonism On the mormonapologetics site, I take a middle ground in many of my posts. However, the critic posts that seem to use hypotheticals, I can be ‘harsh’ with in a nice sort of way.

I don’t see fanaticism as a way to get closer to god. It sows dislike and distrust of others as can be witnessed in some threads on this forum when fanatics post their ideas.