Mormons: Do you have windows in your churches?

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Its true that many, or maybe most local Catholic Churches don’t, but many still do, particularly those that have Eucharistic Adoration, where someone is always there. I know of one Catholic Church in my area (that uses security cameras) that has its doors always open even though Adoration is not extensive in its hours. I’ve been there at 2am! Candles flickering in the dark as the roof creaks. Empty but for Jesus, me and the Angels and Saints adoring.
…and the security cameras and the watchful eye of either the recorder or the security officer monitoring the tapes…

It is a very sad commentary that this is necessary. On the other hand, one way or another it always has been.
 
Yes, the one thing I really miss from being LDS is the fellowship. There are so many opportunities, in all wards (parishes) for fellowship. There is Scripture study for all ages, every week. Now, many Catholic parishes have fellowship opportunities, and Bible study, but it is no where near ubiquitous as in the LDS Church. Many people go to Mass, and disappear after (sometimes after taking communion or during the Recessional! I hate when people leave before the recessional hymn is over :mad: ). There is frequently Sunday School for children and young adults, and a Youth Group, but nothing for those of us 21+. I guess it depends on the parish and how large it is.
I don’t know how it works in Catholic circles. Couldn’t you start your own group?
 
Well, far be it from me to screw with a perfectly lovely conspiracy theory. By the way, here in California I find that the LDS and the Baptists build very much the same way. Most other churches follow suit…those that haven’t rehabbed old shopping centers to turn them into Christian churches/schools, that is.

I wonder; I see so many evangelical churches out here doing that. I wonder what deep theological reason there is for their habit of taking old grocerystore strip malls and turning them into churches and schools?

I mean, there must be some deep theological reason for that. They are churches, after all.

Diana, utterly delighted with this entire thing. it’s not often that one gets to see the beginnings of a rumor this fun…
You are funny!! Those strip mall churches are really something, but I suspect it’s lack of funds, not theological meaning. We had an old stationary store in town named Clausons. They took off the Clau and left Son and hung up some curtains in the plate glass windows. A real class act!
 
May the above Monstrance picture inspire you. I truly share your feeling of loss for the fellowship. I think that the fellowship we miss is a love that can be described as a “natural” love, whereas the love for Our Lord is a “supernatural” love. Giving up a natural love is a real loss, but we cannot out-give God. True growth can be painful. I think we are being forced to choose the “better part”; learning to replace natural love with supernatural love. It is not a growth that comes easily. But it is a love that is more sure and more eternal and it is the “better part” that God, in His love, wants for us. It is the everlasting pearl of great price.
The whole idea behind religion is to support one another in faith, wouldn’t you agree? As vital as personal faith is, worshiping together,and serving together is also vital. After all, Christ did say"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. (Matt. 18:20)

Being together–meeting, working, playing, fellowshipping, serving…all those things to help and support one another, all are an intrinsic part of, and purpose of, religion.
 
Well, far be it from me to screw with a perfectly lovely conspiracy theory. By the way, here in California I find that the LDS and the Baptists build very much the same way…
Wow. I certainly did NOT imply conspiracy theory. You came up with that one.

I say there is a reason for the marked consistency in Mormon Chruch design. It is certainly NOT a style used by* any* Baptists,* anywhere*, or any other church or group. Its similarity is only to the Jehovah’s Witness inits windowlessness. I am not implying any other parallel between those two religions (other then endtimes prep).

Since there is an emphasis on food storage programs which USED to be primarily for impending last days and NOW is primarily for prudent planning of natural disasters, wouldn’t the unique construction design of local Mormon Churches be for the same purpose?

And since the LDS Church has always faced a lot of criticism for strange-seeming customs (beginning in the polygamy days) and have tried to put forth a normal face, (an example is the article cited here about a brief period of building LDS churches that deviate from the norm of windowless worship rooms, which was in reaction society questioning their religion according to that article) then choosing NOT to explain to the everyday chruch-goer the reason for their unusual building design, when the reason may not seem normal to the everyday person, would simply be, well - prudent. Which is consistent with usual practice. Not conspiracy.
 
I wonder why you think its an idiotic question?
Perhaps ‘idiotic’ is a pretty strong. It certainly came out of left field, though. I thought, when I first read it, that it was like asking what the theological meaning was behind red tile roofs on Spanish missions.

On one hand, it’s good to think outside the box, and consider things others might miss. On the other, I’m left wondering where the box was that the question was ‘thinking out of.’

Personally, I don’t actually have a problem with the question. It made me go look something up, and learn something. I’m always up for that. The problem I have is that you have a problem accepting the simple truth as an answer. I am left with a question of my own: what earthly purpose do you think we would have in pretending that there was no theological reason for such a design (especially since that design is not universal) if there was? There would be no shame in it, y’know, any more than there is shame in acknowledging the theological symbolism behind many of the structural elements of our Temples.
I included pictures so you could see that the worship area of what seems to be the majority of local Mormon Churches. Apparently they take after the Mormon Tabernacle and they are windowless in their worship spaces.
Which Tabernacle? I mean, if you are talking about the one on Temple Square, ITS design is so unique that it is world famous for it’s design, building and acoustic properties…and it is surrounded by windows, being almost completely open. It is held up by pillars, surrounded by windowed doors, surmounted by a domed roof that was, quite literally, held together with wooden pegs and rawhide.

The other two 'tabernacles" (large meeting halls…have NO idea why people stuck the name 'tabernacle on them) are also full of windows; one of them was built by a man whose only building experience was in ships; he literally built it as a huge ship’s hull, upside down.

Then there is the one in Montpelier, Idaho (my favorite, because when I was little I loved to roll down the steep lawn slopes) Please notice all the windows. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3115/3174999331_47e72a6f34.jpg?v=0
When I visited my friend’s LDS Church, somethings seemed odd and different to me, and when I saw the picture in some official LDS literature of a similar local LDS church that also had no windows in the area of worship, I realized that was part of what seemed so odd. Because its really, really different. Its unique to Mormon Churches. I don’t think its idiotic to wonder why.
OK, I guess it’s that 'unique to Mormon churches" that is the first problem. It’s not. I did a google image search, simply “church interiors” and found five pictures of church interiors that did not include windows, within the first three pages—and not one of those pictures belonged to Mormons.

What they DID have in common, however, was the size of the facility. Small churches, or churches that devoted the whole of their building to the ‘worship area’ (the meeting hall) had windows in the hall.

Those which had classroom and other meeting rooms often did not. I had to do some errand running today, and just for kicks I looked at the different churches to see if we were really all that different…

Nope. Beth Knesset Bamibar is a lively little synagogue–lots of meeting rooms, no windows. The Greek Orthodox church here (the “Greeks” here pretty much run the town; if there is such a thing as high desert royalty, the greek families are it…) is magnificent. They have two ‘worship areas,’ One has a lovely big window—but the other one does not. It has a mural, instead. Our local Catholic church–doesn’t. No window. Or rather, there is a round stained glass window above the door when you walk in, but you can’t see it from the chapel area at all.

Lessee…there is a very large Baptist complex here, the home of the 'Western Baptist University" …again, it is a huge complex. The worship area has no big windows. It has celestory windows along the top, but they aren’t all that obvious. Hmnnn…“The Vineyard” (don’t quite know what denomination that one is, actually) is one of the supermarket rehabs. Now you’d think IT would have a bunch of windows, and it does—but when you walk inside you see that the windowed area is set aside for offices and classrooms, and the large meeting hall, toward the back?

Not a single window except in the one door that leads to the back parking lot–very much the way we have glass doors from our chapels leading to the outside directly. Building codes.
(I had tried to find an image of a local LDS church interior on the official LDS site, but on the official site there are no pictures of church interiors at all. And church interior walls are missing from pictures like this one where you would otherwise be able to see. So I searched Google Images to show what I meant).

I suppose if you have been to mostly only Mormon Churches, and been all your life, that is what seems normal to you. But if you have attended and visited many, many other churches in your life and NEVER seen ANYTHING like this EXCEPT in the Mormon church, you’d wonder why too. The only closest thing I have ever seen is pictures of the Kingdom Hall exteriors, so I included those. Kingdom Hall exteriors always seemed odd to me, but if you are Jehovah’s Witnesses its common knowledge why this is so for the architecture. So since it was so unusual, I asked. I don’t see why its idiotic to ask.
It’s not idiotic to ask. Never think that. What DOES seem problematic is the fact that you already formulated an answer, and don’t seem to want to accept the far less exciting truth about it…that there is no theological reason for our building designs. I’t’s purely functional and practical, not doctrinal.

Sorry.

By the way, on the church website you WILL find many examples of, well…stained glass windows ,

Oh…here’s a stained glass window in Brigham City, Utah…http://farm1.static.flickr.com/146/412617797_bed744a928.jpg

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You are funny!! Those strip mall churches are really something, but I suspect it’s lack of funds, not theological meaning. We had an old stationary store in town named Clausons. They took off the Clau and left Son and hung up some curtains in the plate glass windows. A real class act!
Hey, whatever works!

We have four or five churches here who have taken the entire strip mall–grocery store and side stores, and rehabbed the entire complexes. All of them are schools now as well as churches, and they’ve done a lovely job.

Even if none of them will hire ME to teach. (Something about me being a Mormon makes them a little nervous…)

I’ve also seen quite a few of the little ones you are talking about…and at least two of the larger church complexes here started out that way. They were little, but they were mighty!

(grin)
 
Wow. I certainly did NOT imply conspiracy theory. You came up with that one.

I say there is a reason for the marked consistency in Mormon Chruch design. It is certainly NOT a style used by* any* Baptists,* anywhere*, or any other church or group. Its similarity is only to the Jehovah’s Witness inits windowlessness. I am not implying any other parallel between those two religions (other then endtimes prep).

Since there is an emphasis on food storage programs which USED to be primarily for impending last days and NOW is primarily for prudent planning of natural disasters, wouldn’t the unique construction design of local Mormon Churches be for the same purpose?

And since the LDS Church has always faced a lot of criticism for strange-seeming customs (beginning in the polygamy days) and have tried to put forth a normal face, (an example is the article cited here about a brief period of building LDS churches that deviate from the norm of windowless worship rooms, which was in reaction society questioning their religion according to that article) then choosing NOT to explain to the everyday chruch-goer the reason for their unusual building design, when the reason may not seem normal to the everyday person, would simply be, well - prudent. Which is consistent with usual practice. Not conspiracy.
Eliza, you are quite possibly the sneakiest (and most fun) critic I’ve come across. Analyzing the rhetoric of your posts is fascinating…

First, may I say that you are begging a few questions here? First, the food storage and family preparation has never been primarily for ‘end times,’ though I"m quite certain that it wouldn’t come amiss in those end times. It has ALWAYS been for far more temporal disasters. Always. Consider: if it were primarily for ‘end time’ preparation (a term we don’t actually use, by the way) then we would be told NOT to use it for other things, wouldn’t you think?

But we are told, when disaster strikes around us, to use it when we need it; to share with our neighbors. To help those in need…to send our substance to people who run into trouble else where–like all Christians, we are told to help the needy in their need.

Now, as to your second assumption; that the design of our church buildings has always been as it is now. As you have already noted yourself, that’s not true. Very early church buildings in Nauvoo, New York, Illinois…all looked very much like those of their non-Mormon neighbors, when they had specific buildings to meet in. When they migrated west, the church buildings in Utah and Idaho varied greatly, according to the design senses of the builders; you’ve seen some of those. When I was young the standard design seemed to be of one large central chapel with the cultural hall behind it, with the classes in two wings to either side of the center area. Windows and light galore.

It wasn’t until the building boom of the last forty or so years that the chapel design seemed to ‘standardize’ a bit to the more compact and efficient center meeting area surrounded by windowed classrooms.

Come to think of it, the church that I attended here in Lancaster, before it was sold and turned into a medical complex (the church used the money from the sale to purchase land for, and build, four other, larger meetinghouses) was an example of that style. Windows all over the place, IN the chapel.

Point? Well, if as you claim, the emphases for windowless chapels (again, question begging) went from ‘preparation for end times’ to ‘preparation for natural disasters,’ then we always would have built our churches without windows to the interior meeting halls. Since we, uh, didn’t—

And since there isn’t any doctrinal reason to avoid doing so now, I guess that’s that.

…but I’ll bet it isn’t. 😉
 
I wonder why you think its an idiotic question?
Because I know what was your real motivation behind asking that question. JW churches are notorious for not having windows; and apparently, in their case, there is some kind of theological explanation for it. By asking that question, you were trying to insinuate some kind of a “theological connect” between Mormonism and JWs. Well, I have got bad news for you—there ain’t any! Mormonism and JWs are as far apart from each other as the North Pole is from the South Pole. [Moderator removed uncharitable comments.]
 
Wrong again! The Tabernacle does have windows, but they are situated lower down because of the unusual design of the building, with the domed ceiling, and the peculiar architecture necessitated by the primitive materials and construction methods used in building it. Here is what the windows look like:

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Because I know what was your real motivation behind asking that question. JW churches are notorious for not having windows; and apparently, in their case, there is some kind of theological explanation for it. By asking that question, you were trying to insinuate some kind of a “theological connect” between Mormonism and JWs. Well, I have got bad news for you—there ain’t any! Mormonism and JWs are as far apart from each other as the North Pole is from the South Pole. That is why your question was an idiotic question. It was more than idiotic. It was dumb. It was a stupid question.
Oh, well, never mind the motivation behind the question. We get to post a great many glorious pictures (and I like Eliza’s very much…) and deal with a brand new question. What more can anybody possibly ask?
 
When I visited my friend’s LDS Church, somethings seemed odd and different to me, and when I saw the picture in some official LDS literature of a similar local LDS church that also had no windows in the area of worship, I realized that was part of what seemed so odd. Because its really, really different. Its unique to Mormon Churches. I don’t think its idiotic to wonder why.
The only non-Catholic Christian churches I have attended were a Lutheran church and a Methodist church.


Methodist Church

Lutheran Church

Neither of them have visible windows from the perspective of the congregation.

Here is a picture of the Catholic church I used to attend:


Are you seeing a theme? No windows! It’s clearly a lot more common than you think! It’s just modern church architecture… most modern churches don’t have windows in the worship space because churches have become multi-funtional buildings so it’s just not practical to have windows.
 
The only non-Catholic Christian churches I have attended were a Lutheran church and a Methodist church.
Neither of them have visible windows from the perspective of the congregation.

Here is a picture of the Catholic church I used to attend:

Are you seeing a theme? No windows! It’s clearly a lot more common than you think! It’s just modern church architecture… most modern churches don’t have windows in the worship space because churches have become multi-funtional buildings so it’s just not practical to have windows.
I know, I know…but it was fun for a few moments there, wasn’t it?
Here’s a window for the ages, though, and a glorious way to complete the thread and bless the senses. http://photo.bldesign.org/photos/europe/DSCN5631.jpg

The Rose Window at Notre Dame
 
I think you need glasses Eliza:

If you look in the second photo you posted, those arched things on either side are windows. In the third photo, that illuminated square thing to the right is also a window.
I noticed growing up that lots of modern LDS chapels don’t have windows except for possibly sky lights due to there being no room for windows. The typical modern LDS architecture for meetinghouses involves having the Chapel in the center and having the classrooms / Relief Society room / Primary / Bishop’s office, etc surrounding all sides of the Chapel.

I make the claim that this involves mostly (if not exclusively) modern LDS buildings because if you were to go to Utah, Idaho, or Arizona where one can find much older LDS edifices, the buildings are almost indistinguishable from traditional Christian church buildings. When I would go visit my grandmother in southern Utah as a boy, her Ward had this huge, breathtaking stained glassed window depicting the “First Vision” decorated with gothic style internal molding. Save for the obvious theological implications, the architecture was almost indistinguishable from that of a Catholic parish.

The Salt Lake Tribune even did a story about salvaging old, beautiful LDS chapels:

sltrib.com/faith/ci_12851928

Personally, I prefer the older styles. I never liked the new chapel designs which indeed do seem to be popular for the sole reason of cost efficiency. When the LDS church was mostly a Rocky Mountain affair, the locals (all being LDS) could pour countless resources into the building of their churches. Since the globalization of the LDS Church, I’m sure that has become rather impractical.
 
Hi, I’ll write more tomorrow or the next. Its late and I just read this and can’t answer it all. Just a couple of comments:
Then there is the one in Montpelier, Idaho (my favorite, because when I was little I loved to roll down the steep lawn slopes) Please notice all the windows. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3115/3174999331_47e72a6f34.jpg?v=0
But here is the interior worship space, same building :
http://www.meridianmagazine.com/images/mh/montpeliertabernaclebig.jpg

Iit looks like all the windows are out in that hall maybe, where the light is coming from. There is light from above. Perhaps the top row of windows.
 
If you look in the second photo you posted, those arched things on either side are windows. In the third photo, that illuminated square thing to the right is also a window.
Your right, it does look like windows in that second photo, at least the ones on the right look it. In the third, maybe its a window.

I’ll reply more later.
 
Oh I almost forgot to mention LDS churches that were purchased from other denominations. We see this happen in very crowded areas where real estate is prime and difficult to come by. Here in SF there’s an old (either Catholic or Episcopalian) church that has been converted to an LDS ward. The LDS simply removed all the statues and candles but left the murals and stained glass windows. They also built a plain annex in the back for Sunday School / Priesthood meetings / Relief Society, etc.
 

OK, I guess it’s that 'unique to Mormon churches" that is the first problem. It’s not. I did a google image search, simply “church interiors” and found five pictures of church interiors that did not include windows, within the first three pages—and not one of those pictures belonged to Mormons._
I’ll reply to your observations later. Although I did a quick goodle search myself on the same words and going through the first 5 pages I saw only windowed churches? I’ll take another look; I might have missed some.

We have some pretty weird Catholic Churches, and probably some are windowless. But just as the beautiful traditional ones have deep theological reasons for being so, even the deviant strange ones have a theological reason for being so, even if its based on a wrong view of what Catholicism is - it would be based on someone’s theological view of what is Catholic (or “should” be).

Churches built from malls or gyms on a budget are just people working with what they have got, whether they are Baptist or LDS or other. I’m not taking about that, I am referring to deliberate designs. I’m interested in why people - and religions - design and build the way they do.
 
Wrong again! The Tabernacle does have windows, but they are situated lower down because of the unusual design of the building, with the domed ceiling, and the peculiar architecture necessitated by the primitive materials and construction methods used in building it. Here is what the windows look like:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i153/zerinus/SMALL/tabernacle01.jpg
You’re right; I can see them in this view:
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