Mormons married in heaven

[Allweather]

But let me assure you everyone is not like that. I know of many who love their wives. They love their wives so much that they can’t bear to be away from them for a second, either in this life or in the next.

zerinus

Oh Lordy, this is hilarious. Emphasis in Z’s quote above added by me. He just can’t help himself, can he?

 

[JonathanKinsman]

Thank you for your honest question. I will be happy to answer it for you. We believe that marriage was intended by God from the beginning to be an eternal institution. It was not meant to end at death.** When God married Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, they were eternal beings.**

zerinus

Must be in the Book of Mormon, because it isn’t in the Bible!

 

[JonathanKinsman]

with the “keys of the kingdom” that the Lord promised to Peter: …The LDS Church is the only church on earth today that possesses those keys, and is able to solemnize marriages not only for time, but also for eternity, so that they will continue to be in force after the resurrection. This is performed in our temples, where couples are married by those who are given the keys of this authority so that their marriages endure not only for time, but for all eternity. I hope that that answers your question.

zerinus

What about the seer stone? And the magic chameleon? :whacky: And the Golden Tablets?:bowdown:

What about those Mormons who marry in the Temple and then divorce?? I know three couples who did and are (in Riverside, Ca. -married in SLC and in San Diego) They must be Apostates!

Show us the keys, show us the keys!! :banghead:

 

[JonathanKinsman]

Oh Lordy, this is hilarious. Emphasis in Z’s quote above added by me. He just can’t help himself, can he?

He is SO MUCH fun. Z-bot is doing more to drive people AWAY from Mormonism: praise God for his (unintentionally) good ministry!

 

[Allweather]

He is SO MUCH fun. Z-bot is doing more to drive people AWAY from Mormonism: praise God for his (unintentionally) good ministry!

I know. It is almost too good to be true.

We should consider the Zerinus Team to be a CA Treasure. I am absolutely convinced that many souls have already been saved as a result of their fumbling around here, looking for fools.

 

[Allweather]

The OP had asked a simple and honest question, and I tried to give him an equally simple and honest answer. If you don’t accept Mormon donctrine, feel free to oppose. I don’t care to be honest whether you do or not.

zerinus

Buzzzztt! Your answer was neither simple, nor honest. And BTW, Zerinus, you might consider the use of commas more judiciously. I’d suggest placing one after the word “care” and another after the word “honest.” Otherwise, it sounds as if you “don’t care to be honest” which, come to think of it, is pretty much what we all figured anyways.

 

[JonathanKinsman]

I know. It is almost too good to be true.

We should consider the Zerinus Team to be a CA Treasure. I am absolutely convinced that many souls have already been saved as a result of their fumbling around here, looking for fools.

Amen to that. On another thread a few minutes ago “Zerinus” spelled pedophilia in the British manner with the latin vowel dipthong. I have seen “him” fluctuate in spelling and syntax.

It’s like watching a very bad tag team on Amateur Wrestling Night.

 

[Allweather]

Amen to that. On another thread a few minutes ago “Zerinus” spelled pedophilia in the British manner with the latin vowel dipthong. I have seen “him” fluctuate in spelling and syntax.

It’s like watching a very bad tag team on Amateur Wrestling Night.

In my mind, I’m picturing Night of the Living Dead.

Could be the many Zerinuses are on more than one continent. Or planet, for that matter.

I don’t know. Maybe we should lighten up on the kids.

Nah!

 

[JonathanKinsman]

Someone has to disturb their rash ideas and rock their cribs.

 

[Allweather]

Someone has to disturb their rash ideas and rock their cribs.

Amen to that! And not let them get away with leaving their droppings here without being challenged. This is something we should be able to agree about with our Protestant brethren. I wish more of them would jump in and challenge the Mormons from their own points of view.

 

[PaulDupre]

If you want to be with your family for eternity, you have a much better chance of achieving that by being Christian rather than Mormon.

Mormons will be divided into different heavenly kingdoms and different levels within the highest kingdom. They may or may not be able to visit one another, but they certainly won’t live together or have any consistent interaction. Very sad.

But Christians will all be together, united completely in the beatific vision, being the branches connected to the Father through Christ who is the vine. We will know each other completely, as we are now known by God. Sex and marriage will be irrelevant because we will have a kind of unity and joyful intimacy in God of which marriage is but a dim foreshadowing.

God love you,
Paul

 

[Mom_of_5]

If you want to be with your family for eternity, you have a much better chance of achieving that by being Christian rather than Mormon.

Mormons will be divided into different heavenly kingdoms and different levels within the highest kingdom. They may or may not be able to visit one another, but they certainly won’t live together or have any consistent interaction. Very sad.

But Christians will all be together, united completely in the beatific vision, being the branches connected to the Father through Christ who is the vine. We will know each other completely, as we are now known by God. Sex and marriage will be irrelevant because we will have a kind of unity and joyful intimacy in God of which marriage is but a dim foreshadowing.

God love you,
Paul

Well said !

Mom of 5

 

[water]

I am Catholic and have a friend who is Mormon. She is beginning to question the issue of the apostasy; however, she is very enthralled with the idea that she will be married to her husband in their own heaven. I keep praying for her conversion. She asks me many questions about what Catholics believe about the afterlife. So that I am better versed/prepared when talking to her, could some one explain what the Mormons believe about marriage in heaven?
Thanks!
NDSMC

Show her this verses:

Mathew 22: 23 to 29

1. On that day Sadducees approached him, saying that there is no resurrection. 15 They put this question to him,24 saying, “Teacher, Moses said, 'If a man dies 16 without children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up descendants for his brother.'25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first married and died and, having no descendants, left his wife to his brother.26 The same happened with the second and the third, through all seven.27 Finally the woman died. 28 Now at the resurrection, of the seven, whose wife will she be? For they all had been married to her.” 29 Jesus said to them in reply, "You are misled because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God. 30. At the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like the angels in heaven.

 

[tundramom]

Hi. I’m a former Mormon…

Does your friend realize that in the Mormon version of Heaven (Celestial Kingdom), she will share her husband with many others in a polygamous marriage with many many “sister wives”? How is this heaven???

 

[Nan_S]

Show her this verses:

Mathew 22: 23 to 29

1. On that day Sadducees approached him, saying that there is no resurrection. 15 They put this question to him,24 saying, “Teacher, Moses said, 'If a man dies 16 without children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up descendants for his brother.'25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first married and died and, having no descendants, left his wife to his brother.26 The same happened with the second and the third, through all seven.27 Finally the woman died. 28 Now at the resurrection, of the seven, whose wife will she be? For they all had been married to her.” 29 Jesus said to them in reply, "You are misled because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God. 30. At the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like the angels in heaven.

I showed this one to the missionaries at the door and they told me it referred to the general Resurrection of the Dead at the end of the world. They expected to be in heaven with their wives long before that happened.

 

[kellie]

Thank you for your honest question. I will be happy to answer it for you. We believe that marriage was intended by God from the beginning to be an eternal institution. It was not meant to end at death. When God married Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, they were eternal beings. Death had not yet entered into the world for their marriage to end at death. They were married for eternity. Death came as a consequence of the Fall. However, the Atonement of Christ was performed to reverse the consequence of the Fall, and make mankind immortal again; therefore their marriage also should be restored to its former state—i.e. be made eternal—as God had always intended it to be. But in order for marriages to be eternal, they must be solemnized for eternity by the divine power of the priesthood, with the “keys of the kingdom” that the Lord promised to Peter: that whatsoever he should seal on earth should be sealed in heaven, and whatsoever he should loose on earth should be loosed in heaven. If you are married by the vicar or by the Catholic priest “until death do you part,” than that is how it will be. It will only last until death. After that you won’t be married any more. We believe that the early Christian church apostatized, and lost the authority of the priesthood, and with it the keys that the Lord promised to Peter, to “bind and loose on earth, and it would be bound and loosed in heaven”. The LDS Church is the only church on earth today that possesses those keys, and is able to solemnize marriages not only for time, but also for eternity, so that they will continue to be in force after the resurrection. This is performed in our temples, where couples are married by those who are given the keys of this authority so that their marriages endure not only for time, but for all eternity. I hope that that answers your question.

zerinus

Hi zerinus,

Can Mormons remarry if their spouse dies?

Then do they have 2 spouses in Heaven?

 

[zerinus]

I showed this one to the missionaries at the door and they told me it referred to the general Resurrection of the Dead at the end of the world. They expected to be in heaven with their wives long before that happened.

That sounds about right. In modern scripture the Lord has explained that that verse refers to those whose marriage is not sealed for eternity by proper authority:

D&C 132:

13 And everything that is in the world, whether it be ordained of men, by thrones, or principalities, or powers, or things of name, whatsoever they may be, that are not by me or by my word, saith the Lord, shall be thrown down, and shall not remain after men are dead, neither in nor after the resurrection, saith the Lord your God.

14 For whatsoever things remain are by me; and whatsoever things are not by me shall be shaken and destroyed.

15 Therefore, if a man marry him a wife in the world, and he marry her not by me nor by my word, and he covenant with her so long as he is in the world and she with him, their covenant and marriage are not of force when they are dead, and when they are out of the world; therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world.

16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

zerinus

 

[zerinus]

Hi zerinus,

Can Mormons remarry if their spouse dies?

Yes.

Then do they have 2 spouses in Heaven?

There are several answers to that question. Firstly, they can marry by a civil marriage only, in which case their marriage lasts only during their lifetime. It will not be in force after the resurrection. Secondly, they can also remarry in the temple for eternity; but the situation for that depends on their gender. A man whose wife dies can remarry his second wife in the temple for eternity, and in the resurrection he will be sealed to both wives. A woman can only be sealed in the temple to one husband. If her husband dies she can remarry by a civil marriage, but her second marriage cannot be sealed in the temple for eternity. However, if she wishes to be sealed to her second husband for eternity, she can apply to the First Presidency to cancel the original sealing so that she can be married to her second husband for eternity. The First Presidency have the authority (at their discursion) to cancel the original sealing to allow that to happen. I suppose it is like the Pope annulling a marriage. However, I am not too well informed on this, and my understanding is that it does not happen very often, and permission is not readily granted. Other LDS who may have more information can fill me up on this one.

zerinus

 

[Allweather]

…therefore, they are not bound by any law when they are out of the world.

What is the precise meaning of this?

I’m assuming from the context of this “modern scripture” that being “out of the world” means the afterlife, post-natural death.

16 Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in marriage; but are appointed angels in heaven, which angels are ministering servants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.
zerinus

Is this consignment to angelic servitude a result of having not obtained a proper Mormon (Temple or otherwise) marriage? What I mean to ask is, do Mormons believe that failure ALONE to obtain a Mormon marriage results in people, after death, becoming angels who “minister” unto those who did?

 

[kellie]

Yes.

There are several answers to that question. Firstly, they can marry by a civil marriage only, in which case their marriage lasts only during their lifetime. It will not be in force after the resurrection. Secondly, they can also remarry in the temple for eternity; but the situation for that depends on their gender. A man whose wife dies can remarry his second wife in the temple for eternity, and in the resurrection he will be sealed to both wives. A woman can only be sealed in the temple to one husband. If her husband dies she can remarry by a civil marriage, but her second marriage cannot be sealed in the temple for eternity. However, if she wishes to be sealed to her second husband for eternity, she can apply to the First Presidency to cancel the original sealing so that she can be married to her second husband for eternity. The First Presidency have the authority (at their discursion) to cancel the original sealing to allow that to happen. I suppose it is like the Pope annulling a marriage. However, I am not too well informed on this, and my understanding is that it does not happen very often, and permission is not readily granted. Other LDS who may have more information can fill me up on this one.

zerinus

Thanks zerinus,

Why can a man have 2 wives in Heaven, but a woman only 1, and if she wants 2 she has to get special permisson?