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I have had this book lying around about Teresa of Avila that I haven’t read yet. I don’t know who she is, or the significance of her. I’m getting that she is looked up to as someone who was a catholic of all catholics or something. As “even” she had problems.

I went to RCIA last night with a new friend from catholic.com. 🙂 The subject was how God reveals himself to us. I can’t say that I understood it all, but it has given me a lot to think about.
Rebecca, here’s a site with helpful info on St. Teresa of Jesus:

carmelite.com/saints/teresa01.shtml
 
That blog is a direct answer to your question. I have created that Weblog precisely in order to avoid having to answer repeat questions. That particular question that you are asking is one that is asked of LDS all the time, and I got fed up with having to answer it over and over again. That is why I have answered it there, so that I won’t have to answer it again. If I were to answer it to you afresh, I would have to cut and paste it out of my blog, because I have nothing more to add to it than what I have said there.

zerinus
And how do you propose that one refutes comments you make in your blog? As I said before, I am not interested in your written lecture. This is a debate forum, thank you very much.
 
Rebecca, here’s a site with helpful info on St. Teresa of Jesus:

carmelite.com/saints/teresa01.shtml
Thanks for the great link, FCEGM.

This is just beautiful:

“Everybody knows Teresa’s insistence that the important thing in prayer is not to think much but to love much…Do what best stirs you to love. The primary reason for praying is affective communion with God.”

ts
 
Zerinus said:
I was addressing my remarks to a very specific group of people, not to just anybody. There is an interesting quote from Joseph Smith, as follows:
The Prophet Joseph Smith made the following statement to a man who wondered why those who had left the Church fought so fiercely against it: Before you joined this Church, you stood on neutral ground. When the gospel was preached, good and evil were set before you; you could choose either, or neither. There were two opposite masters inviting you to serve them. When you joined this Church, you enlisted to serve God. When you did that, you left the neutral ground, and you never can get back on to it. Should you forsake the Master you enlisted to serve, it will be by the instigations of the evil one, and you will follow his dictation and be his servant.”
Since hosemonkey doesn’t seem to be around to say it, I’ll say if for him:

flapdoodle
 
Those who leave the LDS Church, become doubly darkened in their minds, much more so than they had been before they joined it—and “how great that darkness” will be!
Oh shoot I missed this part. More flapdoodle.

:rolleyes:
 
And how do you propose that one refutes comments you make in your blog?
Simple! Read the post (it is not that big; that is how long it would be if I had posted here), and tell me why you disagree with it. That is what you would have to do if I had posted here.
As I said before, I am not interested in your written lecture. This is a debate forum, thank you very much.
I think you are just bringing excuses because you have not answer to give. That is not a lecture. It is a reasoned argument. It is actually composted largely of my previous posts in answer to that question on this (and on some other) boards. If you do a search, you will find my previous answers to that question on this board. My Blog post is made up of those previous replies.

zerinus
 
I have had this book lying around about Teresa of Avila that I haven’t read yet. I don’t know who she is, or the significance of her. I’m getting that she is looked up to as someone who was a catholic of all catholics or something. As “even” she had problems.
I might have the same book lying around, and I haven’t read it either!

Every year around Saint Teresa’s feast day, EWTN broadcasts this 8-part biopic about. I taped the whole series and I’ve watched snippets and loved those, but I haven’t sat down and watch the whole thing through yet.

The great thing about the saints is that they were human, so human, and human in every imaginable way – there’s bound to be saint out there who’s grappled with a difficulty which we think is ours and ours alone.
 
**Ah, but you are applying Orthodox dogma about God being a Spirit, **a nicety that the mormons aren’t burdened with. Some taught that God is Adam, who became divine. And you need a body to do that, according to Mr. Smith.

Beware angels of light.
Hello Isa,

I thought it was Jewish dogma and then followed by the early Church (Catholic) a thousand years or so before the Orthodox (after their struggles with Platonism) Churches of the East settled on it.

Please enlighten me if I am wrong. Thanks

Robert
 
Read “Joseph Smith, Rough Stone Rolling” by Richard Lyman Bushman. I think you will find a fair and balanced view of the story, and will find he does not cover up anything in explaining exactly what happened in Mormon History. It is a very good book. I have read a lot of Anti-Mormon books and find them to be filled with half-truths that are twisted to the hatred felt by the writer.
It is easy to believe half Truths when you never read the truth.
What half-truths are you talking about? That there were no women or children killed at Haun’s Mill, which is just a stone’s throw from where I live? Or are you referring to the burning out and plundering of the apostate LDS in Davies county at the hands of the Danites, who were undoubtedly acting on the orders of Joseph Smith or Sydney Rigdon. Or are referring to the sacking of Gallatin, or the sworn statements by ex-lds that the Mormons were planning to burn both Richmond and Liberty, Missouri? Or are you referring to the incident where a group of Mormons attacked a contigent of Missouri Militia at Crooked River? Or are you referring to Zion’s Camp, when a mob led by Joseph Smith from Kirtland, Ohio attempted to take(redeem) Jackson County by force? They only turned back because they were warned by the Clay County Sheriff and because of outbreaks of Cholera among Smith’s followers. These are not half-truths; these are facts.

What you need to read is Stephen LeSeur’s ‘The 1838 Mormon War in Missouri.’ If you bother to read it, you’ll see that it there was enough blame to go around and that both sides contributed to that tragic era of Missouri history.
I have been 8 years married to a Mormon and have never seen any of the horrendous things that Mormons are portrayed to practice and believe.
Well, if you’re referring to doctrines such eternal progression, and baptism of the dead, I don’t know what to tell you other than you haven’t been paying attention. Other than that, I doubt that you would be privy to the details of Endowment ceremony that occur in the Temple because you aren’t a temple worthy Mormon.:rolleyes:
I know many Mormons and have found them to be followers of Jesus Christ to the highest degree in service to their fellowman, member or not, it makes no difference.They are always first responders in any catastrophic event, with food, water, tents, workers, medicine etc.
I don’t see how that’s possible outside of Utah. In my home-state, the predominant faiths are Catholic and Baptist. Odds are most of the first-responders in the catastrophes that we’ve endured were either Catholic or Protestant. However, we don’t have any way of knowing for sure 'cause nobody takes surveys of the first-responders as to what their faith is. They’re too busy helping.
They work hand in hand with Catholic Charities to help people all over the world. If you still hate them then you are not a true Catholic and can not call yourself Christian
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That’s pretty presumptuous of you to accuse me of hating Mormons and to question my faith. If you believe that someone is acting out of hate against Mormons because they have a different view of the ‘Mormon War’ than you, especially if it’s critical of the Mormons, then that speaks volumes about your narrow-mindedness.

I don’t know of any example of Mormons working ‘hand in hand’ with Catholic Charities. If you know of any examples, please enlighten me.
 
my mistake. there was one 10-year-old boy killed at Haun’s Mill.
 
We thank thee for this food, and ask you to bless it. That it will strengthen and nourish our bodies and do us the good that we need. inthenameofjesuschristamen

Even my raised-as-atheist daughter knows that one!

All prayer is ritual.
Oh my goodness thats a Mormon prayer my parents taught me! I thought it was just “my family’s” prayer.🙂 Guess it was for every Mormon family huh.🤷
 
We thank thee for this food, and ask you to bless it. That it will strengthen and nourish our bodies and do us the good that we need. inthenameofjesuschristamen
Yep, that’s the one my Mormon in-laws say. I learned it verbatim as well.:rolleyes:
 
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