Mormons on CAF a question for you

[MomblessedX3]

There is another layer of meaning of CTR. One Mormon once explained to me (Insulting my intelligence) that “right is right”. Politics on the right is right. Said, in other words, always vote conservative Republican.

Because of Newton’s law, “For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction” I choose to always be a centrist. Voting for what is truly right.

OK, get me for making a political statement!!!

Hmmmm I learn something new every day. Thankfully my hubby and I usually agree on presidential candidates and vote for the morally correct candidate.

 

[Alma147]

Alma, I agree that some of the stuff said is harsh, but don’t you think that every religion and religious denomination has evil spoke of them? LDS do not like Catholics (as a religion not as individual persons) and have said some pretty harsh about us Catholics. I know that harsh statements have been made by Catholics toward the LDS faith as well.

Do you really call that Bigotry?

Saying harsh things about a religion isn’t bigotry, but claiming that all its adherents are “liars, cheaters, and manipulators” is. The distinction you note above is specifically what PaulDePre avoided. He claimed these were characteristics of individual persons (Mormons).

Alma

 

[Alma147]

To momblessed, I’d like to suggest some other possibilities for the CTR rings your daughters received.

Were your daughters the only recipients? I wonder of the mother of an LDS girl saw a bunch of CTR rings for sale and thought she’d buy them for her daughter and her daughter’s friends. Perhaps she has 5 or six close friends and two are Catholic but the rest are LDS. Would it be proper for her to buy CTR rings only for the Mormon friends? I think that would be much more objectionable than buying one for everyone. Certainly, they wouldn’t be obligated to wear them; but they wouldn’t feel left out.

There are several grades of quality in CTR rings, ranging from perhaps a couple of bucks to over $100 per ring. If I were at a LDS knickknack store and had an 8 or 9 year old daughter and saw the $2 ones on a rack, I wouldn’t think twice about buying several for her and her friends. I also wouldn’t think twice about whether her friends were LDS, knowing that if they didn’t want them they could chuck them like I would if someone gave me a candy necklace. If these are more pricey rings, it would be a different story. I don’t see why a mother would buy a handful of $40 or $100 rings for her daughter’s friends.

I have a novel idea. Why don’t you call the mother and find out 1) how much the rings cost and you can also ask her 2) if she’s trying to surreptitiously turn your children into Mormons?

Alma

 

[RebeccaJ]

I have a novel idea. Why don’t you call the mother and find out 1) how much the rings cost and you can also ask her 2) if she’s trying to surreptitiously turn your children into Mormons?

Alma

Read the whole thread.

 

[RebeccaJ]

There is another layer of meaning of CTR. One Mormon once explained to me (Insulting my intelligence) that “right is right”. Politics on the right is right. Said, in other words, always vote conservative Republican.

Because of Newton’s law, “For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction” I choose to always be a centrist. Voting for what is truly right.

OK, get me for making a political statement!!!

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[Jerusha]

LOL If i gotta CTL to find politicians who are not afraid of the morg, then I suppose I must.

 

[nebula]

My gosh, I can’t believe that this is such a big deal. The phrase ‘choose the right’ refers to making the right choices in one’s moral life. I do believe that catholics would agree with making the right choices morally. For example, no sex before marriage and abstinance. To give a teenager such a ring is a nice gesture especially if it means what I just said it means.

What can be sooooo wrong with a ring that stresses making the right moral choices?

Really, you don’t get it AT ALL? When someone wears a CTR ring, you assume that htey are adversiting their Mormon identity. That’s a social fact. Why would a Mormon woman give CTR rings to two Catholic children?

Sorry, it does not compute.

 

[MomblessedX3]

To momblessed, I’d like to suggest some other possibilities for the CTR rings your daughters received.

Were your daughters the only recipients? I wonder of the mother of an LDS girl saw a bunch of CTR rings for sale and thought she’d buy them for her daughter and her daughter’s friends. Perhaps she has 5 or six close friends and two are Catholic but the rest are LDS. Would it be proper for her to buy CTR rings only for the Mormon friends? I think that would be much more objectionable than buying one for everyone. Certainly, they wouldn’t be obligated to wear them; but they wouldn’t feel left out.

There are several grades of quality in CTR rings, ranging from perhaps a couple of bucks to over $100 per ring. If I were at a LDS knickknack store and had an 8 or 9 year old daughter and saw the $2 ones on a rack, I wouldn’t think twice about buying several for her and her friends. I also wouldn’t think twice about whether her friends were LDS, knowing that if they didn’t want them they could chuck them like I would if someone gave me a candy necklace. If these are more pricey rings, it would be a different story. I don’t see why a mother would buy a handful of $40 or $100 rings for her daughter’s friends.

I have a novel idea. Why don’t you call the mother and find out 1) how much the rings cost and you can also ask her 2) if she’s trying to surreptitiously turn your children into Mormons?

Alma

Ok…I see your point however this wasn’t just some random mother. IT WAS MY MOTHER-IN-LAW. MY HUSBANDS MOM. Okay-- so could still see your point if she were buying for all of her grandchildren…fine. However, our closest relavtive is over 6 hours away. She had to mail them to my girls. How on earth would they know if they were left out? It just doesn’t compute.

Do you still stand by your thoughts? What else do you think her purpose would be?

 

[MomblessedX3]

Really, you don’t get it AT ALL? When someone wears a CTR ring, you assume that htey are adversiting their Mormon identity. That’s a social fact. Why would a Mormon woman give CTR rings to two Catholic children?

Sorry, it does not compute.

Thanks Nebula,

That is what I don’t get. What is she trying to prove. I know that a few weeks ago they had their general conference…I wondered if some talk was given about the poor unfortunate minor children of interfaith marriages that aren’t being raised mormon. I wondered if this was her attempt to ‘save’ my children from the most evil Chruch on earth

I guess all I can do is pray for us all and chuck the rings.

 

[nebula]

Thanks Nebula,

That is what I don’t get. What is she trying to prove. I know that a few weeks ago they had their general conference…I wondered if some talk was given about the poor unfortunate minor children of interfaith marriages that aren’t being raised mormon. I wondered if this was her attempt to ‘save’ my children from the most evil Chruch on earth

I guess all I can do is pray for us all and chuck the rings.

Unless she really lives in a bubble somewhere she knows that CTR rings are something only Mormon children wear. Mormons are taught and share stories about trying to reach their unbelieving family and friends so honestly the simplest explanation is that she’s trying to hook up the children. I’m sure her motives were good in that trying to get you guys into the Mormon faith is a good goal in her mind…

 

[MomblessedX3]

Unless she really lives in a bubble somewhere she knows that CTR rings are something only Mormon children wear. Mormons are taught and share stories about trying to reach their unbelieving family and friends so honestly the simplest explanation is that she’s trying to hook up the children. I’m sure her motives were good in that trying to get you guys into the Mormon faith is a good goal in her mind…

I am sure you are probably right, but I don’t try to convert her. Are LDS taught to not respect the wishes of other family members if they are not mormons?

 

[twopekinguys]

To momblessed, I’d like to suggest some other possibilities for the CTR rings your daughters received.

Were your daughters the only recipients? I wonder of the mother of an LDS girl saw a bunch of CTR rings for sale and thought she’d buy them for her daughter and her daughter’s friends. Perhaps she has 5 or six close friends and two are Catholic but the rest are LDS. Would it be proper for her to buy CTR rings only for the Mormon friends? I think that would be much more objectionable than buying one for everyone. Certainly, they wouldn’t be obligated to wear them; but they wouldn’t feel left out.

There are several grades of quality in CTR rings, ranging from perhaps a couple of bucks to over $100 per ring. If I were at a LDS knickknack store and had an 8 or 9 year old daughter and saw the $2 ones on a rack, I wouldn’t think twice about buying several for her and her friends. I also wouldn’t think twice about whether her friends were LDS, knowing that if they didn’t want them they could chuck them like I would if someone gave me a candy necklace. If these are more pricey rings, it would be a different story. I don’t see why a mother would buy a handful of $40 or $100 rings for her daughter’s friends.

I have a novel idea. Why don’t you call the mother and find out 1) how much the rings cost and you can also ask her 2) if she’s trying to surreptitiously turn your children into Mormons?

Alma

I can see where you’re going with not wanting to have a child feel excluded, but I also have a problem with your logic in this case.

You state that if they were reasonably priced, you wouldn’t hesitate purchasing them for the whole group of children.

In essence,you would be saying you wouldn’t consider whether or not it would be religously offensive to the individual receiving them.

If those rings are mormon based as this thread appears to be stating, then giving those rings to Catholic children is just as offensive as giving a fried pork chop to a jewish individual.

People should think before they act. Instead of buying the rings for a group, why not pass on buying them at that moment, and coming back when the non mormon children aren’t with you.

By the way, the mother in question is the mother in law, and not a random neighborhood mother carting the kids around.

In addition, asking the purchaser of the ring(s) how much they cost is just plain rude. The cost of a gift should never be considered.

 

[nebula]

I am sure you are probably right, but I don’t try to convert her. Are LDS taught to not respect the wishes of other family members if they are not mormons?

Well… yes and no. Mormons give a lot of lip service to respecting other faiths and the integrity of families, but on the other hand unless you all convert to Mormonism and get sealed in the temple you MIL believes (if she is a true believing Mormon) that you can’t be with her in the celestial kingdom as a family unit. No doubt that bothers her.

 

[MomblessedX3]

Well… yes and no. Mormons give a lot of lip service to respecting other faiths and the integrity of families, but on the other hand unless you all convert to Mormonism and get sealed in the temple you MIL believes (if she is a true believing Mormon) that you can’t be with her in the celestial kingdom as a family unit. No doubt that bothers her.

Hmmm. You’d think she’d deal with it. She has has her son sealed to her so she can have him with her after death. I think that being with God in heaven will be enough. If God wants my family together in heaven then we will be.
I don’t need to be mormon for this to be accomplished. But that is not really on the topic of this thread.

I just wish she’d quit doing this sort of thing. I am pretty good at ignoring the little attempts and digs at me but I think it may be time to address things.

I know that she believes her heart is in the right place which is why this is so difficult.

 

[nebula]

Hmmm. You’d think she’d deal with it. She has has her son sealed to her so she can have him with her after death. I think that being with God in heaven will be enough. If God wants my family together in heaven then we will be.
I don’t need to be mormon for this to be accomplished. But that is not really on the topic of this thread.

I just wish she’d quit doing this sort of thing. I am pretty good at ignoring the little attempts and digs at me but I think it may be time to address things.

I know that she believes her heart is in the right place which is why this is so difficult.

This isn’t to say that she’s a bad person at all, but just conjecture based on the assumption that she’s a fallible human being. Here’s the thing, you took her son away from his Mormon roots. If he keeps going the way of an apostate it’s unclear that she’ll get to be with him in the celestial kingdom,a nd those poor kids won’t get to be a part of the big family reunion at all… that is… unless she can get past you and get to them. I’m sure she’s frustrated and probably upset at you for breaking up the family like that while at the same time happy that you make her son happy, happy tha tyou brought her granchildren into the world etc. I’m sure i’ts very confusing to her. Plus, as a Mormon, she can’t confront you with her issues, she just can’t, so unless you have an open conversation with her the little jabs and digs will likely keep coming. So you could be open with her and risk a fight or making things more tense but have a chance of resolution or just have things continue. It’s a hard call.

 

[MomblessedX3]

This isn’t to say that she’s a bad person at all, but just conjecture based on the assumption that she’s a fallible human being. Here’s the thing, you took her son away from his Mormon roots. If he keeps going the way of an apostate it’s unclear that she’ll get to be with him in the celestial kingdom,a nd those poor kids won’t get to be a part of the big family reunion at all… that is… unless she can get past you and get to them.

Ahhhhh but there is where you are mistaken. My husband is active in his church. I just won the coin toss so to speak and get to rasie the kids Catholic.
Unless there is a definition of apostate that I do not know of he isn’t one.
Maybe you can clarify for me.

 

[nebula]

Ahhhhh but there is where you are mistaken. My husband is active in his church. I just won the coin toss so to speak and get to rasie the kids Catholic.
Unless there is a definition of apostate that I do not know of he isn’t one.
Maybe you can clarify for me.

oohhh oops, scratch that last part then . You took her grandkids though. That’ll do for the rest of the argument.

 

[Alma147]

Ok…I see your point however this wasn’t just some random mother. IT WAS MY MOTHER-IN-LAW. MY HUSBANDS MOM. Okay-- so could still see your point if she were buying for all of her grandchildren…fine. However, our closest relavtive is over 6 hours away. She had to mail them to my girls. How on earth would they know if they were left out? It just doesn’t compute.

Do you still stand by your thoughts? What else do you think her purpose would be?

Given those facts, I’d modify my questions–but if I were you, I’d still call her and ask for an explanation. If it was meant to proselytize, I think that’s inappropriate; if not, I’d be interested to know her reasoning.

Alma

 

[MomblessedX3]

They should just become Catholic and then I wouldn’t have to deal with all of this

 

[insidemymemory]

Ahhhhh but there is where you are mistaken. My husband is active in his church. I just won the coin toss so to speak and get to rasie the kids Catholic.
Unless there is a definition of apostate that I do not know of he isn’t one.
Maybe you can clarify for me.

He is still activie in his church?
How did he agree to raise his children catholic? He is really okay with the fact that you do not honor his “priesthood”?
I’m very curious, I am dating an LDS boy right now.