Mormons search the web and find doubt

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I honestly don’t remember when I first heard about it - it was probably at a pretty early age - maybe early teens? I wanted to learn more about church history in my early 20’s, and I asked some active folks (they’d fit into the TBM category). They suggested a bio of Joseph Smith (written by a mormon) and the Work and the Glory series (fictionalized history written for an LDS audience) - both of them contained accounts of treasureseeking, polygamy, the banking scandal, the failed trip to sell the copyright, and a bunch of other stuff. True, the material was presented gently by believers, in a context that attempted to explain from a position of belief, but it was there. I hear folks claim that mormons hide their history and refuse to learn or teach the hard stuff. I had the exact opposite experience.

Then I found FARMS book review, which responded to just about every criticism in print, and I found various online forums where believers and critics got together to argue. I spent 10 years on those forums interacting and arguing, and sort of reached my everest in two ways: First, the contentious folks at the UK-based Reachout Trust countercult ministry admitted the possibility that I might actually be a saved Christian. Second, the opinion-provoking personality Prof. Daniel Peterson called one my my points “salient”. (I know, the second one isn’t much of an accomplishment, but I accepted a little self-indulgent ego-boost in a moment of weakness.) After those events, I noticed I was doing little more than copying and pasting from my file of apologetics, and the love of the argument sort of left me.

There is absolutely much available online that I was never taught in sunday school. My experience was full of instances like “Ok, I’ve always assumed something was a certain way, but now I find out it’s not that way.” And yes, I find LDS folks who believe some things I know are not true. I would expect this state of affairs to be true with just about any culture and important aspect of it. For example, people tell stories of switching their political beliefs after having similar experiences. For another example, I read all sorts of threads in other forums on this website, where Catholics are arguing with each other about what they should believe about various things and why.

But I’m sure you’d agree, not every “online fact” is actually true. The internet is full of people claiming stuff, when they don’t know the difference between facts, belief, truth, opinion, and knowledge.

Anyway, these days, I’m not really interested in arguing or trying to persuade. When I am, I go to mormondialogue.org. I came to these forums to understand my Catholic neighbor better, and answer the occasional direct question. I won’t be doing much more defending or aruging any more here.
I have read all the excuses and apologetics. I am sorry. They just do not hold water to anyone who truly does not wish to keep his or her head in the sand.

I am sorry that truth is truth. But like the current lds leaders calling js a liar when he said where Cumorah is, and the other ever-changing doctrine, it simply makes me sad that so many are still deceived.

But, on the other hand, I understand…I loved being LDS and still wish it was true. But all the wishing in the world does not make it so. I discovered that in 1989
 
Yes, and this is the sad reality of the situation. Plunked down somewhere with no privacy for years at a time, removed from one’s family, and socially stigmatized if one doesn’t go. A culture that encourages missionary work sounds good – a culture that strong arms people into being missionaries sound horrid.

In the PBS “Frontline” special, “The Mormons,” the training for missionaries is discussed. TexanKnight, did you participate in a training center before being shipped off?
Yep. Since I was going foreign language, the Missionary Training Center (MTC) was two months. If you went English Speaking, it was about 3 weeks
 
Why in the name of Christian charity do we find it necessary to ridicule Mormons? I fail to see the purpose. If we want to win these people to the Catholic faith, we should welcome them with love and compassion.
I have not seen any ridicule here. Where has there been ridicule?
 
I have not seen any ridicule here. Where has there been ridicule?
I’m not going to get into specifics, but if you go back through the posts, I think you’ll find some name-calling and ridicule of LDS culture.
 
I honestly don’t remember when I first heard about it - it was probably at a pretty early age - maybe early teens? I wanted to learn more about church history in my early 20’s, and I asked some active folks (they’d fit into the TBM category). They suggested a bio of Joseph Smith (written by a mormon) and the Work and the Glory series (fictionalized history written for an LDS audience) - both of them contained accounts of treasureseeking, polygamy, the banking scandal, the failed trip to sell the copyright, and a bunch of other stuff. True, the material was presented gently by believers, in a context that attempted to explain from a position of belief, but it was there. I hear folks claim that mormons hide their history and refuse to learn or teach the hard stuff. I had the exact opposite experience.

Then I found FARMS book review, which responded to just about every criticism in print, and I found various online forums where believers and critics got together to argue. I spent 10 years on those forums interacting and arguing, and sort of reached my everest in two ways: First, the contentious folks at the UK-based Reachout Trust countercult ministry admitted the possibility that I might actually be a saved Christian. Second, the opinion-provoking personality Prof. Daniel Peterson called one my my points “salient”. (I know, the second one isn’t much of an accomplishment, but I accepted a little self-indulgent ego-boost in a moment of weakness.) After those events, I noticed I was doing little more than copying and pasting from my file of apologetics, and the love of the argument sort of left me.

There is absolutely much available online that I was never taught in sunday school. My experience was full of instances like “Ok, I’ve always assumed something was a certain way, but now I find out it’s not that way.” And yes, I find LDS folks who believe some things I know are not true. I would expect this state of affairs to be true with just about any culture and important aspect of it. For example, people tell stories of switching their political beliefs after having similar experiences. For another example, I read all sorts of threads in other forums on this website, where Catholics are arguing with each other about what they should believe about various things and why.

But I’m sure you’d agree, not every “online fact” is actually true. The internet is full of people claiming stuff, when they don’t know the difference between facts, belief, truth, opinion, and knowledge.

Anyway, these days, I’m not really interested in arguing or trying to persuade. When I am, I go to mormondialogue.org. I came to these forums to understand my Catholic neighbor better, and answer the occasional direct question. I won’t be doing much more defending or aruging any more here.
Thank you for your response, NeuroTypical.
 
Not sure it is stereotyping. But I read somewhere that Utah is the nation’s leader in Prozac…
Absolutely right. That is one of the sources for the term “happy valley”.

ETA:It actually stems from a 2008 documentary named “Happy Valley”, which speaks to the drug problem in SLC.
 
I’m not going to get into specifics, but if you go back through the posts, I think you’ll find some name-calling and ridicule of LDS culture.
I agree with Tex. I haven’t seen a bit of name calling or ridicule. Perhaps you should point it out to us.

Also, if you think people here are “busting their chops”, maybe you should research some of the older mormon threads. Then you will see it flying from both sides.
 
I agree with Tex. I haven’t seen a bit of name calling or ridicule. Perhaps you should point it out to us.

Also, if you think people here are “busting their chops”, maybe you should research some of the older mormon threads. Then you will see it flying from both sides.
They’ve been called ignorant, among other things. I’ll not fan the flames further. I’m sorry that previous threads have been ugly. But I think we need to set a charitable example.
 
They’ve been called ignorant, among other things. I’ll not fan the flames further. I’m sorry that previous threads have been ugly. But I think we need to set a charitable example.
Please direct me to the post where they were called “ignorant”. I did a search of the thread for the word “ignorant”, and nothing was found.
 
Please direct me to the post where they were called “ignorant”. I did a search of the thread for the word “ignorant”, and nothing was found.
I sent you a PM giving you the number of the post. Again, I don’t want to single anyone out and add to the flames.
 
They’ve been called ignorant, among other things.
Yes, that is the point of this thread. The Internet is allowing Mormons a chance to relieve themselves of their ignorance. You might want to look the word up before condemning it to flaming.
I’ll not fan the flames further. I’m sorry that previous threads have been ugly. But I think we need to set a charitable example.
if you stick with the subject of te thread instead of judging people that will reduce the chances of the thread turning “ugly.”

Do you think it is a good thing that the Internet is allowing Mormons to learn about the truth of the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith, and the Book of Abraham?
 
I sent you a PM giving you the number of the post. Again, I don’t want to single anyone out and add to the flames.
For Mormons who stay faithful and reason doesnt matter, being Mormon is a very happy way of life…

Truly, BLISSFULLY ignorant…

It’s about being happy. Mormons, who remain naive, are happy, truly happy people…

=====its all about emotion=happiness… 🙂
In order to be fair to others reading this thread, you are referring to this particular post from Marie.

I can truly say that the use of the word “ignorant” in this post, is in no way insulting or spiteful.

Marie is too much of a Kumbaya person to insult mormons. 😃
 
In order to be fair to others reading this thread, you are referring to this particular post from Marie.

I can truly say that the use of the word “ignorant” in this post, is in no way insulting or spiteful.

Marie is too much of a Kumbaya person to insult mormons. 😃
Yeah … I really didn’t want to single this out and I wish I hadn’t specified the information privately.
 
Yes, that is the point of this thread. The Internet is allowing Mormons a chance to relieve themselves of their ignorance. You might want to look the word up before condemning it to flaming.

if you stick with the subject of te thread instead of judging people that will reduce the chances of the thread turning “ugly.”

Do you think it is a good thing that the Internet is allowing Mormons to learn about the truth of the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith, and the Book of Abraham?
Yes I do.
 
They’ve been called ignorant, among other things. I’ll not fan the flames further. I’m sorry that previous threads have been ugly. But I think we need to set a charitable example.
This from post #9
If you have complaints about posters or how CAF is moderated, I suggest you contact the mods themselves. This thread is not for that purpose.
Please return to the topic of the OP.
 
Yeah … I really didn’t want to single this out and I wish I hadn’t specified the information privately.
Nobody would have known that if you hadn’t just posted it, now would they?🤷

I didn’t quote you, or say “you said.”
 
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