Mormons: There will be no marriage in Heaven

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You know, even though this is off topic, it’s and interesting discussion. I have often wondered what Mormons think of sin and redemption. Catholics KNOW they are sinners, and feel very guilty about sin and are always looking for forgiveness.

As I see it, Mormons live such “righteous” lives, (No Bad Habits!) that I wonder if they ever think that they sin.

Sin is more than bad habits though. Envy, greed, self-righteousness, pride and other things are sins.

Do Mormons feel remorse for sins such as those? How do they ask for and recieve forgiveness?
Yes. And we talk about things like that in Church quite a lot. For stuff like that, one typically asks God for forgiveness in prayer, and possibly tries to apologize and/or make restitution if they have offended someone. For things like felonies, adultery, and so on, we would also confess to the bishop.
 
There’s some truth to that–when we talk about Adam and Eve’s “transgression,” we are implying law-breaking, but not necessarily sinning. But honestly, in other contexts they are typically used as synonyms.

To be brutally honest, I think that most of the time people use the word “transgression” as a way to parlay archaic language into sounding more pious at Church. Mormons have all kinds of things like that.

We say “transgression” instead of “sin.”

We call General Authorities by their full first name, middle initial, and last name. So Tom Monson became “Elder Thomas S. Monson.”

If someone becomes President of the Church, they get an “even” tacked to the front of their name. So Elder Thomas S. Monson is now “our prophet, EVEN Thomas S. Monson.”

At church, people don’t pray for rain–they pray for “moisture.” I hope they get fog, the lackwits. 😃
yeah my LDS dad is real about that. we catholics have our own version though too. we have devotions and liturgies and such.
 
There’s some truth to that–when we talk about Adam and Eve’s “transgression,” we are implying law-breaking, but not necessarily sinning. But honestly, in other contexts they are typically used as synonyms.

To be brutally honest, I think that most of the time people use the word “transgression” as a way to parlay archaic language into sounding more pious at Church. Mormons have all kinds of things like that.

We say “transgression” instead of “sin.”

We call General Authorities by their full first name, middle initial, and last name. So Tom Monson became “Elder Thomas S. Monson.”

If someone becomes President of the Church, they get an “even” tacked to the front of their name. So Elder Thomas S. Monson is now “our prophet, EVEN Thomas S. Monson.”

At church, people don’t pray for rain–they pray for “moisture.” I hope they get fog, the lackwits. 😃
lol sure bdawg, every faith community does that to some extent. But I think mormon transgression does tend to be a little different, but I think you could also say a similar thing comparing and contrasting Catholic and protestant evangelical ‘feeling’ of sin. It’s all a little different, but that should be expected.
 
Very thorough answer, BDawg. Thanks.

How about the part where Jesus says that they will not marry nor be given in marriage? Or that they ar elike Angels? Are angels married or not?
Hi Ralph,

Sorry, I didn’t see your question before.

We believe that this means that marriage and giving in marriage must be accomplished before the resurrection. After the resurrection it’s too late.
 
Matthew 22: 23 The same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Him and asked Him, saying: “Teacher, Moses said that if a man dies, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up offspring for his brother. Now there were with us seven brothers. The first died after he had married, and having no offspring, left his wife to his brother. Likewise the second also, and the third, even to the seventh. Last of all the woman died also. Therefore, in the resurrection, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had her.”

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.”

Jesus was saying that resurrected people (angels) in heaven will be androgynous, no longer distinguished by sex.

Mormons believe there will be celestial marriage. How do Mormons justify this idea?
Dude. Read the scripture you posted:

"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.”

If clearly states that marriages won’t be performed in heaven. For that matter marriages are performed at BYU football games but that doesn’t mean that those in attendance aren’t already married.

Read the scripture, don’t read your beliefs into it.

It
 
Hi Ralph,

Sorry, I didn’t see your question before.

We believe that this means that marriage and giving in marriage must be accomplished before the resurrection. After the resurrection it’s too late.
I am not sure that this is true. I have heard quite often that people who do not marry in this life, may get married in the afterlife, if they did not have the opportunity to marry on earth.

That being said, it would be a matter of sadness if there would be no marriage in heaven. To assume that a human being could be married to someone for years and years on this earth and then upon death be single in heaven would be difficult to comprehend.
 
I am not sure that this is true. I have heard quite often that people who do not marry in this life, may get married in the afterlife, if they did not have the opportunity to marry on earth.

That being said, it would be a matter of sadness if there would be no marriage in heaven. To assume that a human being could be married to someone for years and years on this earth and then upon death be single in heaven would be difficult to comprehend.
You’ve only heard that as a Mormon, not as a supposed Catholic. Since God Himself is the joyful fulfillment of all our desires, hoping for something less as that fulfillment does not give Him the glory He deserves.
 
Since God Himself is the joyful fulfillment of all our desires, .
To be specific, a culture which places excessive emphasis on sexuality would tend to believe that there is sex in heaven, so therefore there is marriage. The honest answer is “we don’t know” . I guess we will only find out as individuals if we get there.
 
I am not sure that this is true. I have heard quite often that people who do not marry in this life, may get married in the afterlife, if they did not have the opportunity to marry on earth.

That being said, it would be a matter of sadness if there would be no marriage in heaven. To assume that a human being could be married to someone for years and years on this earth and then upon death be single in heaven would be difficult to comprehend.
Hi Why Me,

There are two parts to the “afterlife”. One is before the Resurrection, when people can still be married, and one is after the Resurrection, when they cannot.
 
Dude. Read the scripture you posted:

"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.”

If clearly states that marriages won’t be performed in heaven. For that matter marriages are performed at BYU football games but that doesn’t mean that those in attendance aren’t already married.

Read the scripture, don’t read your beliefs into it.

It
Like angels implies no sex in my mind.
 
Hi Ralph,

Sorry, I didn’t see your question before.

We believe that this means that marriage and giving in marriage must be accomplished before the resurrection. After the resurrection it’s too late.
Ok. Now I can see where that comes from.

Are you better off married or not?
 
So JEsus is not in the Highest level Heaven? Or John the Baptist? Or Paul?
  1. There are a number of ancient traditions about Jesus being married to Mary Magdalene. The New Testament doesn’t say anything about it, one way or another.
  2. We believe that marriage ceremonies can be done by proxy before the resurrection, so people who die single are not necessarily left out, in our soteriology.
  3. Paul said he was not married at one point in his ministry, but he may have been married before that, and his wife passed away.
  4. The New Testament doesn’t say anything either way about John the Baptist.
In any case, the most important point is #2. It doesn’t matter to us whether any of these guys were married.
 
  1. There are a number of ancient traditions about Jesus being married to Mary Magdalene. The New Testament doesn’t say anything about it, one way or another.
  2. We believe that marriage ceremonies can be done by proxy before the resurrection, so people who die single are not necessarily left out, in our soteriology.
  3. Paul said he was not married at one point in his ministry, but he may have been married before that, and his wife passed away.
  4. The New Testament doesn’t say anything either way about John the Baptist.
In any case, the most important point is #2. It doesn’t matter to us whether any of these guys were married.
So who have you guys married John and Paul off to?
 
  1. There are a number of ancient traditions about Jesus being married to Mary Magdalene. The New Testament doesn’t say anything about it, one way or another.
Oh my. Please tell me if it has ever been LDS thought that Jesus was married to anyone.
  1. We believe that marriage ceremonies can be done by proxy before the resurrection, so people who die single are not necessarily left out, in our soteriology.
So who picks the luck lady? Who gives them away? And for the joking question: is dating done by proxy, too?
  1. Paul said he was not married at one point in his ministry, but he may have been married before that, and his wife passed away.
True enough
  1. The New Testament doesn’t say anything either way about John the Baptist.
And what part of John’s life would have been acceptable to a woman? Besides, he probably had taken Essene vows of chastity, as he was an essene.
In any case, the most important point is #2. It doesn’t matter to us whether any of these guys were married.
I am shocked by the marriage by proxy. Can you point me to LDS official teaching on this?
 
Oh my. Please tell me if it has ever been LDS thought that Jesus was married to anyone.

So who picks the luck lady? Who gives them away? And for the joking question: is dating done by proxy, too?

True enough

And what part of John’s life would have been acceptable to a woman? Besides, he probably had taken Essene vows of chastity, as he was an essene.

I am shocked by the marriage by proxy. Can you point me to LDS official teaching on this?
why do christian marriage services end with
“till DEATH do you part”
i mean that is all christian belief
marriage in heaven dosent even make sence cuz marrige
is for earth, in heaven we will be next to god and that is much
better then any marriage,
also there is huge controversy when say the mormons do proxy
weddings to dead nuns who have been celibate there whole
life now mormon think it is ok to “give them a husband”
even though it is all made up the idea of that sickens me.
 
Oh my. Please tell me if it has ever been LDS thought that Jesus was married to anyone.
Some early LDS leaders thought so, but that point of view never became the official stance. The LDS Church has been silent about this matter for quite a while. Not enough information to make a definitive judgment.
So who picks the luck lady? Who gives them away? And for the joking question: is dating done by proxy, too?
At this point, only people who were actually married (but not in Mormon temples) have the ceremony done for them by proxy. Others will be sorted out during Jesus’ Millennial reign.
And what part of John’s life would have been acceptable to a woman? Besides, he probably had taken Essene vows of chastity, as he was an essene.
John might have been an Essene, but that’s speculation. Also, the Essenes had some members who took vows of chastity, and others who didn’t, according to what I’ve read about them.
I am shocked by the marriage by proxy. Can you point me to LDS official teaching on this?
Go to www.lds.org, click the search tab, and do a search for “proxy sealing”. Lots of info will come up.
 
Matthew 22: 23 The same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to Him and asked Him, saying: “Teacher, Moses said that if a man dies, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up offspring for his brother. Now there were with us seven brothers. The first died after he had married, and having no offspring, left his wife to his brother. Likewise the second also, and the third, even to the seventh. Last of all the woman died also. Therefore, in the resurrection, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had her.”

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.”

Jesus was saying that resurrected people (angels) in heaven will be androgynous, no longer distinguished by sex.

Mormons believe there will be celestial marriage. How do Mormons justify this idea?
I don’t think your scripture does anything to negate the possibility of marriage in heaven.

The Mormons are more concerned about sex and reproduction after death than merely the concept of marriage. I expect that my wife and immediate family members will have a special relationship in heaven as compared to those I didn’t know on earth. We will be more unified in heaven than we are now. I don’t agree with the Mormon concept of having more children with my wife after I get to heaven. That’s connected with becoming Gods, etc., but I do believe that my wife and I will enjoy a special relationship after we die.

As for original sin, I am not convinced the Mormon understanding is that much different than the Catholic understanding. Mormons essentially have the same understanding of original sin that the Eastern Orthodox have. Eastern Orthodox don’t believe that we inherit guilt because of Adam’s transgression either. Mormons believe Christ’s atonement negates the punishment due everyone because of Adam’s transgression, but does not negate the results of Adam’s transgression, death and sin. Because of that Mormons would say we can only be punished for our own sins and not for Adam’s sin. In some ways that actually seems more just than the Augustinian model which the Western Church followed. Mormons would agree that all those who have obtained the age of accountability have sinned just as Catholics believe. It is interesting to me that Mormons and Catholics both believe that we are only culpable for our personal sins after reaching the age of accountability which is approximately the same age in both camps.

I guess the question boils down to an argument over the necessity of infant baptism. The Eastern Orthodox baptize infants even though they have similar views on original sin as the Mormons do. Perhaps we Catholics should emphasize the grace which comes through baptism more than simply the covering of Adam’s transgression. This grace opens the gate to the sacraments of confirmation, the Eucharist and reconciliation all of which together allow us to gain forgiveness for our personal sins. It seems sinful to me to deny that grace to a newborn baby.
 
I don’t think your scripture does anything to negate the possibility of marriage in heaven.

The Mormons are more concerned about sex and reproduction after death than merely the concept of marriage. I expect that my wife and immediate family members will have a special relationship in heaven as compared to those I didn’t know on earth. We will be more unified in heaven than we are now. I don’t agree with the Mormon concept of having more children with my wife after I get to heaven. That’s connected with becoming Gods, etc., but I do believe that my wife and I will enjoy a special relationship after we die.

As for original sin, I am not convinced the Mormon understanding is that much different than the Catholic understanding. Mormons essentially have the same understanding of original sin that the Eastern Orthodox have. Eastern Orthodox don’t believe that we inherit guilt because of Adam’s transgression either. Mormons believe Christ’s atonement negates the punishment due everyone because of Adam’s transgression, but does not negate the results of Adam’s transgression, death and sin. Because of that Mormons would say we can only be punished for our own sins and not for Adam’s sin. In some ways that actually seems more just than the Augustinian model which the Western Church followed. Mormons would agree that all those who have obtained the age of accountability have sinned just as Catholics believe. It is interesting to me that Mormons and Catholics both believe that we are only culpable for our personal sins after reaching the age of accountability which is approximately the same age in both camps.

I guess the question boils down to an argument over the necessity of infant baptism. The Eastern Orthodox baptize infants even though they have similar views on original sin as the Mormons do. Perhaps we Catholics should emphasize the grace which comes through baptism more than simply the covering of Adam’s transgression. This grace opens the gate to the sacraments of confirmation, the Eucharist and reconciliation all of which together allow us to gain forgiveness for our personal sins. It seems sinful to me to deny that grace to a newborn baby.
the evidence of original sin is evident in
war, diseases, pain, famine
if there was no orginal sin
then we would still be in the garden of eden
and returned to our original state of glory.
next to god on earth
 
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