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zerinus
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But if they asked you the same question millions of times over you would get bored with answering it, right?
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MrS
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not if I though it would lead to being a god on my own planet.
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Allweather
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We have to remember that this forum is Zerinus’ career. He doesn’ t hold down a regular job the way the rest of us here do. His job is to inhabit this forum, which we provide for him, so that he can troll for weak-kneed Catholics.
He must rather understand his written word to be on the order of scripture, perhaps what he terms “modern scripture.” Because of its importance, people would naturally be expected to assign verse numbers and order them into chapters, perhaps even commit them to memory.
I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that some of the Zerinus Pantheon imagine themselves to be potential Prophet material, someday to haunt the upper reaches of the Temple in Salt Lake City. In that eventuality, the words written here, versed and chaptered, would indeed become “modern scripture.” Especially all that has been written about polygamy, since Zerinus is so enthusiastic about polygamy, and would undoubtedly reinstate it upon his ascension to the throne.
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JonathanKinsman
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Pjs2ejs:
DON’T BOTHER READING Zerinus’ POSTS !!
He doesn’t answer ANY direct question about the so-called “Grate Apostasy.”
He will claim, however, that he has answered it many times before.
He tried it once with me and when I went back and re-read his referenced postings, I found Zerinus contradicting himself.
I cut and pasted the pertinent language with his “new” answer, exposing him as a prevaricator and he hasn’t acknowledged me since!!
Praise be God !!
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kellie
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How can one ever get bored with answering questions about their faith that they claim and believe with all their heart is true??
I would talk a million times on the same issue of my faith if it could at least get one person to see the Light.
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kellie
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zerinus,
Are you saying within the LDS there are many opinions on when the GA occurred?
A simple yes or no will suffice
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zerinus
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You would be right if the questions were always genuine; but in a place such as this, one is not always sure that they are.
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zerinus
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The Apostasy was complete when all the Apostles died (or as in the case of John, when his ministry to the church was brought to an end) without leaving a successor behind. Sorry, I don’t have an exact date for that.
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MrS
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so who held the truth until the birth of your founder? You did say the apostasy was complete.
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MrS
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who “safe-guarded” it
who “passed it on”
who kept Jesus from being a liar
no one… you said the apostasy was complete…
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kellie
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Mormons believe John has never died, true?
Can you please tell me why his ministry to the Church ended then? Who brought it to an end?
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kellie
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Mormons believe John has never died, true?
Can you please tell me why his ministry was brought to an end? By whom? And why?
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MrS
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Oh, I get it… God first said here is the Authority… then those who followed the Apostles said “where did I put my keys?”
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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cubalibre
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One can see the continuity of faith and leadership in reading the NT, the Church Fathers, the Creeds,the Liturgies and Councils. There was no apostasy. One can see the expectation by Paul to have this leadership continued beyond his death in his exhortation to Timothy to pass on what Paul had taught him: “entrust to faithful people who will have the ability to teach others .” (2Tim:2,2) There are actually 4 generations of passing on the faith here in this brief sentence. Paul is expecting this to continue not to have an1800 year break. There have been many smaller apostasies in the past and in the current time period.We are being asked to not only ignore the biblical and historical evidence of the continuity of our faith without apostasy.We are being asked to accept a religion based on an unverifiable historical record. The Bible can be verified by examination of non-biblical historical records and archeology. Where is the parallel proof for the Book of Mormon? We are being asked to rewrite North American, Native American, and Jewish history without any proof. That one is pretty hard to swallow. Let us remember what Origen said: “The Church has four Gospels, heretics have many more.”
Origen, Homilies on Luke, Hom 1, 233 A.D.
The Mormons have another gospel:
From the introduction of the Book of Mormon:
“The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible… …and contains, as does the Bible, the fulness of the everlasting gospel.”…and the very first page behind the cover of the Book of Mormon says:
“The Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ.”
Remember what Paul warned against: 2Cor 11:2-4
“I feel a divine jealousy for you, for I betrothed you to Christ to present you as a pure bride to her one husband. But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if some one comes and preaches another Jesus than the one we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you submit to it readily enough.”
And another warning by Paul “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel to you other than that which we have preached, let him be anathema*.”
Origen, Homilies on Luke, Hom 1, 233 A.D.
The Mormons have another gospel:
From the introduction of the Book of Mormon:
“The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible… …and contains, as does the Bible, the fulness of the everlasting gospel.”…and the very first page behind the cover of the Book of Mormon says:
“The Book of Mormon Another Testament of Jesus Christ.”
Remember what Paul warned against: 2Cor 11:2-4
“I feel a divine jealousy for you, for I betrothed you to Christ to present you as a pure bride to her one husband. But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if some one comes and preaches another Jesus than the one we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you submit to it readily enough.”
And another warning by Paul “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel to you other than that which we have preached, let him be anathema*.”
- Galatians 1:8…The Catholic Church has always taught the same Gospel as Paul. There is no apostasy. The Mormon church teaches another Gospel other than what Paul taught.
Saludos, CubaLibre
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Alexius
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…so God sent Muhammad.
Sorry, I’ve heard that phrase so much that it just echoes in my head. Don’t worry, I know how to differentiate between Muslims and Mormons, but there are many similarities between the two - I could have ended that same phrase equally by replacing “Muhammad” with “Joseph Smith.”
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Allweather
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I don’t see how there could have been any “good Christians” if there were no divine authority. Christians aren’t “good” under their own power. A Church without divine authority could never have accomplished what the Catholic Church has accomplished. Nor could it have survived, intact, for 2k years and going. This theory of Zerinus, shared by some Mormons, is completely illogical.
If this harebrained theory of some Mormons had any truth to it, the Vatican would be in ruins today, rather than the seat of authority of an institution that has outlived every other institution. People would be going to Rome to view the crumbling buildings of Bernini and Michaelangelo. But, we know this isn’t how it worked out, because we can see it with our own eyes. Apostate people don’t do the things Catholics have done for 2k years.
Take a look at the Pope. He has no temporal power whatever. Yet, when he speaks, the world listens. His is the authority of God, vested in a man, the successor of Simon Peter, and even devilish men listen when he speaks. The leader of a group of apostates would wield no charismatic authority at all.
The Mormon Great Apostasy is an hallucination born of false prophets and “modern scripture.”
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