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I know what the OP asked, but others have mentioned the problem of addiction.

A lot of painkillers we have for palliative pain are banned in the US.
Uh that is not the understanding I have at all. An article here actually claims the exact opposite of what your saying is true:

yourlife.usatoday.com/health/story/2011-11-10/British-doctors-more-cautious-about-prescribing-painkillers/51154360/1

If anything the U.S needs to crack down harder on distribution of some of these pain killers because we have real problems with them being distributed illegally and used for recreational purposes.
 
Uh that is not the understanding I have at all. An article here actually claims the exact opposite of what your saying is true:

yourlife.usatoday.com/health/story/2011-11-10/British-doctors-more-cautious-about-prescribing-painkillers/51154360/1

If anything the U.S needs to crack down harder on distribution of some of these pain killers because we have real problems with them being distributed illegally and used for recreational purposes.
Yeah, we have that problem too. People will always find a way to abuse the system.

But so long as the people who need it can still get it, that’s all I’m concerned about. If other people are addicted, that’s sad too - but so long as people can die pain-free.

By the way, that article doesn’t claim the exact opposite of anything I said. There are drugs available in the UK that are not legal in the US. The strongest poppy-based painkiller in the UK, used very often for palliative is banned in the US. I do know what its called but I get the name of it mixed up with another and it’s 1am here, I’m tired, and I need to sleep! 😛
 
Therapeutic drugs, properly prescribed are not sinful. There is no teaching against drugs that alter your state of mind, if they are medically needed. This includes pain killers such as morphine, sedatives, anti-psychotic drugs, anti-depression drugs, etc.
Yes, very good point. Perhaps the intent of the OP is to address ***abuse ***of such meds.
You cannot be addicted to morphine and other pain killers so long as you are in pain. It’s only when you take them when you’re not in pain that it becomes a problem.
Not true.

Physiological as well as psycological addiction to narcotics can occur regardless of whether or not one is in pain.
 
Pain medications can be lifesavers, literally. Without them, you can go into shock, and then it is a short step to death.
 
Only 6 posts in on a topic not at all related to abortion. I think we have a new record for CAF’s only version of Godwin’s law.

Anyway, if I was in pain I would be asking why they hadn’t given it to me already.
Lol, yes.
 
Yes, very good point. Perhaps the intent of the OP is to address ***abuse ***of such meds.

Not true.

Physiological as well as psycological addiction to narcotics can occur regardless of whether or not one is in pain.
Yes, but doesn’t that only apply to people who are predisposed to addiction, whether its alcohol or painkillers?
 
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Only 6 posts in on a topic not at all related to abortion. I think we have a new record for CAF’s only version of Godwin’s law. Anyway, if I was in pain I would be asking why they hadn’t given it to me already.
:sad_yes:
How dare you make such a comment?! That’s Nazi-like and Communistic! Only Hitler would say such a sedevacantist argument!

:D:p
 
Yes, but doesn’t that only apply to people who are predisposed to addiction, whether its alcohol or painkillers?
No, there are some classes of drugs, notably painkillers that are physically addictive. They actually change the way the brain processes information and how the body reacts physically. Heroine is one of those types of drugs, there are many more. Heroine is an opiate like morphine. Virtually anyone who takes one of those drugs for a significant amount of time will be physically addicted. The addiction may be short-lived but it is very real.
 
No, there are some classes of drugs, notably painkillers that are physically addictive. They actually change the way the brain processes information and how the body reacts physically. Heroine is one of those types of drugs, there are many more. Heroine is an opiate like morphine. Virtually anyone who takes one of those drugs for a significant amount of time will be physically addicted. The addiction may be short-lived but it is very real.
I was actually referring to legal drugs. I really do not know very much about heroine but I will agree about physiological addiction. However, I have been given morphine, have been prescribed opiates for long term use for severe pain and have had no problem reducing the dosage myself.
 
I was actually referring to legal drugs. I really do not know very much about heroine but I will agree about physiological addiction. However, I have been given morphine, have been prescribed opiates for long term use for severe pain and have had no problem reducing the dosage myself.
“Reducing” being the key word. If the drug is physically addictive, then going off the drug would involve reducing the dosage, rather than just stopping.

And, yes, I know we are talking about legal, prescribed drugs. I only brought up heroine since it is pharmacolgically related to morphine as both are opiates.
 
“Reducing” being the key word. If the drug is physically addictive, then going off the drug would involve reducing the dosage, rather than just stopping.

And, yes, I know we are talking about legal, prescribed drugs. I only brought up heroine since it is pharmacolgically related to morphine as both are opiates.
I am not sure what you mean. Yes, I stopped taking opiates without help.

Just to digress, morphine based painkillers and even the synthetic opiates like tramadol do cause nausea in many people. That’s enough to make people go off them asap.
 
“Reducing” being the key word. If the drug is physically addictive, then going off the drug would involve reducing the dosage, rather than just stopping.

And, yes, I know we are talking about legal, prescribed drugs. I only brought up heroine since it is pharmacolgically related to morphine as both are opiates.
That’s not true about all opiates.

I work in the health profession as a nursing assistant. I did start training as a registered nurse and got more than halfway but had to drop out due to personal problems. I have worked in theatres, surgery, and several medical wards. I have never heard of, nor seen practiced, people been “weaned” off opiate painkillers. People who came in for surgery would have them, then go home without and there was no reduction inbetween. No problems.

The medications I have seen people been reduced off are anti-depressants, steroids, sleeping tablets, that sort of thing.
 
That’s not true.

I work in the health profession as a nursing assistant. I did start training as a registered nurse and got more than halfway but had to drop out due to personal problems. I have worked in theatres, surgery, and several medical wards. I have never heard of, nor seen practiced, people been “weaned” off opiate painkillers. People who came in for surgery would have them, then go home without and there was no reduction inbetween. No problems.
I said IF the drug was physically addicting, not that all opiates were physically addicting. :mad:
 
I sincerely hope it’s all right to take medicines like morphine when prescribed by a physician, after an accident or surgery. :signofcross:

I can’t think of any Church teaching against it. I’ve just come through serious cancer surgery, and I think that my pain was just as agonizing as some would endure in an accident.

Although I didn’t need morphine, I had to take prescription pain killers, but if I’d needed morphine/stayed in the hospital longer, I can’t think it would be wrong in any way, under a doctor’s care. Hope this helps!:heaven:
 
That’s not true about all opiates.

I work in the health profession as a nursing assistant. I did start training as a registered nurse and got more than halfway but had to drop out due to personal problems. I have worked in theatres, surgery, and several medical wards. I have never heard of, nor seen practiced, people been “weaned” off opiate painkillers. People who came in for surgery would have them, then go home without and there was no reduction inbetween. No problems.

The medications I have seen people been reduced off are anti-depressants, steroids, sleeping tablets, that sort of thing.
When people have been taking narcotic medication long enough, there is a physiological addiction that occurs. How “long enough” is “long enough” may be different in different individuals. Typically, postsurgical anagesia does not require lengthy courses of narcotic meds, at least not lengthy enough to cause physiological addiction.
 
Short term use of opiates, such as for acute pain following regular surgery or an accident or dental surgery, can usually be stopped without any problems. I have been always able to stop opiates following short-term use for acute pain.

Long term use for chronic pain is a different situation. When being used therapeutically for long-term relief of chronic pain, at doses necessary to relive pain, one becomes physically dependent on them. When one uses more than they need for pain relief, or uses them recreation-ally to get a “high”, one is addicted. Those with addiction cannot usually treat their addiction without some form of medical intervention. Dependency can be reduced by the patient themselves, using a step-down of doses.

I’ve never been addicted, but due to long-term use for chronic pain, I do have a dependency. I have both stopped use after many months of use, and also reduced the amount I need and went to lower doses. I did it on my own, did not need any medical intervention. Addiction and dependency are not the same thing. I went cold turkey off of percocet, over 15 years ago. I used an OTC drug, diphenhydramine, to mask the side effects of stopping the percs. Worked very well. I’ve also gone from being on Fentanyl patches 50 mcg/hr to 25 mcg/hr, down to Kadian 50mg 2zs a day, to morphine sulfate 10mg 2xs a day, to morphine sulfate 10mg evening with hydromorphone 4mg 1 or 2xs a day, to now taking hydromorphone 4mg 3xs a day. I was on the Kadian 18 months ago as my pain levels went up prior to moving. 6 months later I stopped and went to morphine sulfate 10 mg 2xs a day, then once a day (at night), with hydromorphone 4mg daytime.

Now I just take the hydromorphone. I go to a pain clinic for pain management, but I did it it on my own, and just told them what I didn’t need. I have never been high, always took the minimal I needed for pain, never engaged in drug-seeking behavior, and have never had addiction problems. But because I have been on them for so long, i could not stop cold turkey due to becoming dependent. So I will need to gradually cut back if I get to the point I no longer need opiates. And to minimize side-effects, diphenhydramine OTC works very well. Prescription Catapress (a blood pressure patch) also helps. I am actually now using Catapress, as I have been gradually reducing my need for pain meds post procedure (I have had several out-patient procedures done).

To answer the OP, it is perfectly acceptable to use morphine or other opioid-type drugs for the treatment of acute or chronic pain. Palliative care for chronic pain is an act of charity. Opioids can make it possible for a person to have an ability to function without pain interfering. Make it possible for a terminal patient with cancer or AIDS to not suffer as much as their days come to an end. The Church even allows for the fact that the use of palliative care, even with the side-effects of opiates at high doses such as causing the suppression of respiration, can be prescribed even if it hastens the death of the patient.
 
yeah I was thinking the same thing. Way too broad a statement lol.

Drunkenness is a sin when the object of the action is to lose your ability to think clearly. Drinking alcohol or taking morphine is not wrong in and of itself. When the object of your action is to get drunk/lose your ability to think clearly is when its sin. If your taking it on a doctor’s orders for extreme pain the object of the action is to address the pain, not lose your ability to think clearly.

However, you will still lose your ability to think clearly plus possibly becoming addicted to it when you take it and these bad effects must be balanced against the good effect of numbing the pain. This is why morphine is only given out in cases of extreme pain. In other lesser cases of pain the potential benefits do not outweigh the negative effects.
Woah!!! Currently, I have a kidney disease - and most of those - actually, I’d say almost all of us that have this disease are either on or have been on very heavy narcotics. Some of us have a port in our back where every couple of months morphine or another drug like it is inserted. You do your best if you are on the pills to take them when you need them - when the pain gets bad. For someone like me who has had at least 48 kidney stones this can be quite often and I will admit doctors have wanted me to be on much larger doses - i’m currently on 1/5 of what I was on a couple of years ago - because I am doing somewhat better. I’m not going to go into any other part of this - but there are times that heavy drugs are needed by others than just those that have been in awful accidents. If you’ve every had a kidney stone, try doing it without morphine or fentanyl -it’s especially fun for guys but almost as fun for women. I agree you have to weigh the cost/benefit of taking such meds - but believe me, there’s no question my quality of life would be close to nil if I didn’t have these meds.
Also just because you’re on morphine or oxycontin or fentanyl does NOT mean you’re high all the time - there are ways - there are day long release drugs that can keep you from becoming like this. If you need to take these drugs to have a quality of life then I wouldn’t question it and I would never believe this was a sin and I have talked to Priests about the situation.
God Bless
Rye
 
Short term use of opiates, such as for acute pain following regular surgery or an accident or dental surgery, can usually be stopped without any problems. I have been always able to stop opiates following short-term use for acute pain.

Long term use for chronic pain is a different situation. When being used therapeutically for long-term relief of chronic pain, at doses necessary to relive pain, one becomes physically dependent on them. When one uses more than they need for pain relief, or uses them recreation-ally to get a “high”, one is addicted. Those with addiction cannot usually treat their addiction without some form of medical intervention. Dependency can be reduced by the patient themselves, using a step-down of doses.

I’ve never been addicted, but due to long-term use for chronic pain, I do have a dependency. I have both stopped use after many months of use, and also reduced the amount I need and went to lower doses. I did it on my own, did not need any medical intervention. Addiction and dependency are not the same thing. I went cold turkey off of percocet, over 15 years ago. I used an OTC drug, diphenhydramine, to mask the side effects of stopping the percs. Worked very well. I’ve also gone from being on Fentanyl patches 50 mcg/hr to 25 mcg/hr, down to Kadian 50mg 2zs a day, to morphine sulfate 10mg 2xs a day, to morphine sulfate 10mg evening with hydromorphone 4mg 1 or 2xs a day, to now taking hydromorphone 4mg 3xs a day. I was on the Kadian 18 months ago as my pain levels went up prior to moving. 6 months later I stopped and went to morphine sulfate 10 mg 2xs a day, then once a day (at night), with hydromorphone 4mg daytime.

Now I just take the hydromorphone. I go to a pain clinic for pain management, but I did it it on my own, and just told them what I didn’t need. I have never been high, always took the minimal I needed for pain, never engaged in drug-seeking behavior, and have never had addiction problems. But because I have been on them for so long, i could not stop cold turkey due to becoming dependent. So I will need to gradually cut back if I get to the point I no longer need opiates. And to minimize side-effects, diphenhydramine OTC works very well. Prescription Catapress (a blood pressure patch) also helps. I am actually now using Catapress, as I have been gradually reducing my need for pain meds post procedure (I have had several out-patient procedures done).

To answer the OP, it is perfectly acceptable to use morphine or other opioid-type drugs for the treatment of acute or chronic pain. Palliative care for chronic pain is an act of charity. Opioids can make it possible for a person to have an ability to function without pain interfering. Make it possible for a terminal patient with cancer or AIDS to not suffer as much as their days come to an end. The Church even allows for the fact that the use of palliative care, even with the side-effects of opiates at high doses such as causing the suppression of respiration, can be prescribed even if it hastens the death of the patient.
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One of my neighbors had surgery for cancer and was on a fentanyl patch for a couple of months. He got really sick everytime they’d try to get him off, and he finally had to go on a methadone step-down program to get him off without getting sick.

We occasionally kid him about being the “neighborhood junkie”, but we also thank the Almighty for curing him!
 
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