Mortal Sin Question

[fisherman_carl]

There is no such teaching in Tradition, Scripture, Magisterium.

Are you saying that there is no teaching regarding my opinion on this issue by those sources you quote? Or are you saying those sources teach differently or refute my opinion on this issue?

 

[thistle]

Are you saying that there is no teaching regarding my opinion on this issue by those sources you quote? Or are you saying those sources teach differently or refute my opinion on this issue?

In my view your opinion is wrong as that would take away our freewill.

 

[fisherman_carl]

In my view your opinion is wrong as that would take away our freewill.

How would it take away free will? The definition is that if someone dies in unrepentant mortal sin would they go to hell? My thoughts were that hopefully God would give someone that chance to repent. How does that take away free will? They still have free choice to choose whether to repent or not. I heard a catholic priest on the radio say God knows our future because he is eternal, outside of limits of time. He sees our future, past, present in his present. So he knows whether someone will repent or not. But does he not give us the chance to repent? That is all I am saying.

 

[fisherman_carl]

You all need to stop quoting Scripture. Catholics do not base their faith on Scripture.

Whoa, that’s a pretty dangerous statement there, since scripture is the Word of God. Are you saying you don’t base your faith on the word of God? Jesus quoted scripture to the devil who tempted him 3 times. Are you saying that you know better than Jesus? If Catholics are not allowed to quote scripture then I would no longer want to be a Catholic. Just like if Catholics worshiped Mary then I would not want to be a Catholic, but we know that is not the case. But you accuse us of judging solely on scripture because we quote scripture. That is a messed up philosophy. Catholic teaching can not go against scripture or it would no longer be Catholic. I will quote scripture because as scripture says:

“Your word is a lamp for my feet, a light for my path.” Ps 119:105

 

[Frankr409]

What happens if a Catholic, who is in a state of grace, commits a mortal sin and dies before they are given an opportunity to repent? For example, if they died in the act of mortal sin itself. Do they go to hell or are they given a chance to repent in purgatory?

The only true answer is that only God knows. Nobody can really guess who is in hell or who is in Heaven, with the exception of the Saints of course.

I would posit though, that the person you hypothetically mention might very well be in Heaven, or perhaps Purgatory. God lives outside of time, and God’s mercy is also outside of time. That means that our prayers to God are also outside of time. Perhaps ten years before his death, the person you mention prayed an act of contrition, or prayed for mercy, or prayed for himself the Chaplet of Divine Mercy and God granted that mercy to him at the moment of his death.

This is a good enough reason to pray for people who you may think are completely incorrigible, and that is because God is merciful and good.

I asked the same question a few years ago of Dr. Richard Geraghty. For those of you who do not know him, he is philosophy professor at St. Joseph’s House of Studies, the college-level facility of the Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word, at EWTN.

Dr. Geraghty gave me a similar answer then, and I hope it helps also with your question.

 

[larry85704]

Whoa, that’s a pretty dangerous statement there, since scripture is the Word of God. Are you saying you don’t base your faith on the word of God? Jesus quoted scripture to the devil who tempted him 3 times. Are you saying that you know better than Jesus? If Catholics are not allowed to quote scripture then I would no longer want to be a Catholic. Just like if Catholics worshiped Mary then I would not want to be a Catholic, but we know that is not the case. But you accuse us of judging solely on scripture because we quote scripture. That is a messed up philosophy. Catholic teaching can not go against scripture or it would no longer be Catholic. I will quote scripture because as scripture says:

As a Catholic I suppose you can quote Scripture if you want to. But to be fair, you would need to quote all of it, equally, and without polishing it up. Do you know what you are biting off when you choose that? I doubt it. It is not correct to quote a verse in the New Testament because you want to and then never talk about a verse in the Old Testament because it make you out to be a sinner. How about all the obscure verses in the Bible that seem confusing, are we to reject the teachings of the Church that attempt to explain them?

If you want to use Scripture exclusively then you gotta cut out the Bible scholar aspects, after all often they explain that a verse really doesn’t mean what it says. And by what authority do they say that?

And what about the Holy Ghost, which is Scriptural, as well as in the teachings of the Church? When the Holy Ghost tells you something how does it rate? Do you ignore it and follow Scripture? Peter didn’t.

Confusing, yes.

I am not accusing you of anything, all I said was that in matters of being “Catholic” it is not correct to simply quote Scripture.