Mortal sins and purgatory

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I am not a Catholic but I am learning more. I actullay enjoy what I’m learning about the mass and the Eucharist. I find Catholicism very captivating and beautiful. But still, I have many questions.

First of all what is the difference between venial sins and mortal sins. Why must I go to a priest to be forgiven? Also where is purgatory in the Bible? And if a catholic dies without having the chance to confess any mortal or venial sins out of any will of their own will they still be able to make it into purgatory and then into heaven?

A lot of questions I know. Im just very hungry and curous. Thank you and God bless! :D:getholy:
 
I am not a Catholic but I am learning more. I actullay enjoy what I’m learning about the mass and the Eucharist. I find Catholicism very captivating and beautiful. But still, I have many questions.

First of all what is the difference between venial sins and mortal sins. Why must I go to a priest to be forgiven? Also where is purgatory in the Bible? And if a catholic dies without having the chance to confess any mortal or venial sins out of any will of their own will they still be able to make it into purgatory and then into heaven?

A lot of questions I know. Im just very hungry and curous. Thank you and God bless! :D:getholy:
Analogy: Venial=Cut in the soul, Mortal=gunshot to the head in the soul, can land people in hell in not disrupted.

I don’t have time to answer the rest, but I’m sure someone else will. Oh, BTW, not all the Church’s teachings are found in the Bible, they are taught in light of it. But purgatory can be discovered through logic applied to the Bible.
 
I am not a Catholic but I am learning more. I actullay enjoy what I’m learning about the mass and the Eucharist. I find Catholicism very captivating and beautiful. But still, I have many questions.

First of all what is the difference between venial sins and mortal sins. Why must I go to a priest to be forgiven? Also where is purgatory in the Bible? And if a catholic dies without having the chance to confess any mortal or venial sins out of any will of their own will they still be able to make it into purgatory and then into heaven?

A lot of questions I know. Im just very hungry and curous. Thank you and God bless! :D:getholy:
Sins differ in how they hurt or break our relationship with God. Just as sins hurt human relationships. For example if I was dating a guy and saw him flirting with a girl. I would be very upset. It would hurt our relationship. That would be like a veniel sin. Now if I walked in on him having sex with someone. that is huge! In my mind the relationship is broken, dead, like it’s over! that’s a mortal sin. Mortal sin is choosing satan over God & his ways. Mortal sin is rejecting God with fore thought. Mortal sin robs our soul of Gods Grace. It is like soul death.

Jesus instituted confession. One example is in **John 20:22-23 …He breathed on them & said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.” ** He was speaking to the Apostles. He gave them authority, and a mission to forgive sins in His name. Confession to a Priest is a very humbling experience. It takes a sincere commitment & repentance to Confess. You receive counseling, and you must do a thorough examination of conscience to confess EVERYTHING. It restores God’s grace to your soul! 🙂

1John 5:16 Talks about deadly (mortal) sin. Since you have broken Relationship with God it requires Confession to a Priest (God’s Servant) to restore your relationship. Veniel Sins should be confess to God ASAP. It is encouraged that we examine our conscience nightly, and pray an act of contrition.

Here is an example: Oh God I am heartly sorry for having offended thee. I detest all of my sins, because I dread the loss of Heaven & the pains of Hell. but most of all because they offend thee, my God, who art all good, and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of thy grace to Confess my sins, to do penance, and to avoid the near ocassion of sin. Amen
 
It is important to note that the bible was compiled by the Catholic Church. It is not the foundation of our Church. It is the Fruit of our Tree. The new testament is about the Catholic Church. We lived it. Taught it to others, and eventually wrote it down. The Catholic Church preserved these writings, and compiled them into the Bible led by the Holy Spirit. Then She gave them to the world! The Bible is Catholic Teaching.

The Catholic Church contains over 2000 years of learning and wisdom. The Church was there, an eyewitness to God! She is the best Teacher. The Bible calls the Catholic Church the Pillar & bulwork (support & foundation) of the truth! 1 Timothy 3:14-15

Pergatory is part of Sacred Tradition. Not everything was written in the Bible, especially if it was widely accepted, and not debated. You know nothing unclean will enter Heaven, and yet the just mans sins multiple times daily. Revelations 22:27 So how do we get clean & made perfect from our momment of death? We must be purged of our sin, and our love of sin. 1corinthians 3:14 Then all that is left is the perfection that God made us to be in him!!! Of course we pray for our brothers & sisters who have died, and are going through this purging process to be a perfect bride for Christ. 2 Maccabees12:43-46 I would encourage you to get a complete Catholic Bible. Some protestant Bibles are missing books!

I hope this helps. I love learning about God!
 
Welcome to the forums! Here are quick answers.
First of all what is the difference between venial sins and mortal sins.
1 John 5:16 “If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.”

Mortal sin destroys grace. Venial sin damages, but does not destroy God’s grace.
Why must I go to a priest to be forgiven?
Christ specifically gave the Apostles power over sin. John 20:22-23 "And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Read also 2 Corinthians 2:10: Paul forgave sins in the person of Christ - as an ambassdor for Christ, he had the authority of Christ in forgiving sins: 2 Corinthians 2:10 King James Version (KJV) “To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ”

When Paul, or any of the Apostles forgave, it was with the power and authority of Christ Himself.
Also where is purgatory in the Bible?
Christ’s parable of seeking forgiveness before you die: Matthew 5:25-26: “Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent.” combined with Paul’s words in 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 "Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, [a]precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test **the quality of each man’s work. 14 If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
And if a catholic dies without having the chance to confess any mortal or venial sins out of any will of their own will they still be able to make it into purgatory and then into heaven?
You must die in a state of grace. Mortal sin destroys that state of grace. Venial sins damage grace, but do not destroy it. We must be cleaned up before entering heaven, because…Revelation 21:27 “Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”

What will help you immensely is a copy of Catholicism for Dummies. It is an excellent resource that clearly explains Catholic beliefs and practices, as well as the reasons behind those beliefs and practices. You will be able to rely on this book for years to come. I learn each time I open my copy.**
 
Hmmmmmmm… I thought we went from 'Mortal sin" (because we can not know who goes to hell/heaven… ) to “serious sin?”🤷
 
I am not a Catholic but I am learning more. I actullay enjoy what I’m learning about the mass and the Eucharist. I find Catholicism very captivating and beautiful. But still, I have many questions.

First of all what is the difference between venial sins and mortal sins. Why must I go to a priest to be forgiven? Also where is purgatory in the Bible? And if a catholic dies without having the chance to confess any mortal or venial sins out of any will of their own will they still be able to make it into purgatory and then into heaven?

A lot of questions I know. Im just very hungry and curous. Thank you and God bless! :D:getholy:
Purgatory…Holy Fire by Hahn…catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0091.html
 
Welcome to CAF! You can find answers to almost any question you have, including those about purgatory, by using the search bar on the home page.

Personally, I like 1John 3:2 – “Beloved, we are God’s children now; what we shall be has not yet been revealed. We do know that when it is revealed we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.”

While we are imperfect children of our Father now, but we shall be “perfect as your Father is perfect” when we see Him. This happens not in this life, but the next, when we see Him face-to-face. This perfecting is purgatory. That’s my take on it.

May God bless you on your journey and may He bless the new year ahead for all!
Dan
 
Hmmmmmmm… I thought we went from 'Mortal sin" (because we can not know who goes to hell/heaven… ) to “serious sin?”🤷
This begs the question of why it is “serious”, does it not? From the catechism:

1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.

1862 One commits venial sin when, in a less serious matter, he does not observe the standard prescribed by the moral law, or when he disobeys the moral law in a grave matter, but without full knowledge or without complete consent.

1863 Venial sin weakens charity; it manifests a disordered affection for created goods; it impedes the soul’s progress in the exercise of the virtues and the practice of the moral good; it merits temporal punishment. Deliberate and unrepented venial sin disposes us little by little to commit mortal sin. However venial sin does not break the covenant with God. With God’s grace it is humanly reparable. "Venial sin does not deprive the sinner of sanctifying grace, friendship with God, charity, and consequently eternal happiness."134

While he is in the flesh, man cannot help but have at least some light sins. But do not despise these sins which we call “light”: if you take them for light when you weigh them, tremble when you count them. A number of light objects makes a great mass; a number of drops fills a river; a number of grains makes a heap. What then is our hope? Above all, confession.
 
Seeker of the Faith:
Welcome to the forums. You asked some great questions and it appears they have been answered well.
Blessisngs in your quest for information to learn more about the Catholic Faith.
Peace in Christ,
Mary.
 
I am not a Catholic but I am learning more. I actullay enjoy what I’m learning about the mass and the Eucharist. I find Catholicism very captivating and beautiful. But still, I have many questions.

First of all what is the difference between venial sins and mortal sins. Why must I go to a priest to be forgiven? Also where is purgatory in the Bible? And if a catholic dies without having the chance to confess any mortal or venial sins out of any will of their own will they still be able to make it into purgatory and then into heaven?

A lot of questions I know. Im just very hungry and curous. Thank you and God bless! :D:getholy:
Articles on Purgatory

Purgatory
catholic.com/library/purgatory.asp

Purgatory
By Rev. William G. Most
catholic.com/thisrock/1992/9204chap.asp

PURGATORY IN ALL BUT NAME
By W. ROBERT ANFILL
catholic.com/thisrock/1998/9801fea2.asp

Is Purgatory Found in the Bible?
By Christine Pinheiro and Kenneth J. Howell
catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0511sbs.asp

Purgatory? Where Is That in the Bible?
By Mark P. Shea
catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0103fea2.asp

Explaining Purgatory from a New Testament Perspective
by Victor R. Claveau
freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2033423/posts

How to Argue the Existence of Purgatory
By Jason Evert
catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0010sbs.asp

How to Explain Purgatory to Protestants
by James Akin
ewtn.com/library/answers/how2purg.htm
 
This begs the question of why it is “serious”, does it not? From the catechism:

1861 Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.

1862 One commits venial sin when, in a less serious matter, he does not observe the standard prescribed by the moral law, or when he disobeys the moral law in a grave matter, but without full knowledge or without complete consent.

1863 Venial sin weakens charity; it manifests a disordered affection for created goods; it impedes the soul’s progress in the exercise of the virtues and the practice of the moral good; it merits temporal punishment. Deliberate and unrepented venial sin disposes us little by little to commit mortal sin. However venial sin does not break the covenant with God. With God’s grace it is humanly reparable. "Venial sin does not deprive the sinner of sanctifying grace, friendship with God, charity, and consequently eternal happiness."134

While he is in the flesh, man cannot help but have at least some light sins. But do not despise these sins which we call “light”: if you take them for light when you weigh them, tremble when you count them. A number of light objects makes a great mass; a number of drops fills a river; a number of grains makes a heap. What then is our hope? Above all, confession.
Concurrence. However there are often extenuating circumstances in regard to sin.

Stealing is an egregious sin, perhaps** Mortal:eek:.** However… when one steals to be able to eat as opposed to say, recreational stealing for gain, methinks there is indeed a possibility of a less strict judgement for such a person that steals just to be able to eat.

I have no real answers… I just am not so quick to be so…absolute in categorizing sin. Neither am I inclined to dismiss the gravity of sin.

Hence the term ‘serious sin’ has more appeal for me… Just IMHO. 🤷
 
Dear OP

I honor your insights and curiosity in the Catholic Church, you have certainly come to the right place

Purgatory though is not explicitly there in the bible it is implicitly there.

one example is that part in Matt 12:32 that talks about the unforgivable sin “blasphemy against the Holy Spirit”

which is not forgivable in this life or the life to come! well if its not forgivable in the life to come it implicitly shows that their are sins that may be forgiven in the lift to come

also there are a few other places that implicitly show purgatory such as

1cor3:15
2Mac12:43
Rev 21:27
matt5 23-26
matt 18 23-35

hope this helps!
 
Concurrence. However there are often extenuating circumstances in regard to sin.

Stealing is an egregious sin, perhaps** Mortal:eek:.** However… when one steals to be able to eat as opposed to say, recreational stealing for gain, methinks there is indeed a possibility of a less strict judgement for such a person that steals just to be able to eat.

I have no real answers… I just am not so quick to be so…absolute in categorizing sin. Neither am I inclined to dismiss the gravity of sin.

Hence the term ‘serious sin’ has more appeal for me… Just IMHO. 🤷
Fr. Wade Menezes of the Fathers of Mercy (and many others) reminds us in his recorded message, “The Crux of the Matter” that a pattern of venial sin can lead to more serious sin, and thus, frequent confession of even seemingly minor sins is crucial to spiritual health. Sin is essentially spiritual corrosion.
 
I am not a Catholic but I am learning more. I actullay enjoy what I’m learning about the mass and the Eucharist. I find Catholicism very captivating and beautiful. But still, I have many questions.

First of all what is the difference between venial sins and mortal sins. Why must I go to a priest to be forgiven? Also where is purgatory in the Bible? And if a catholic dies without having the chance to confess any mortal or venial sins out of any will of their own will they still be able to make it into purgatory and then into heaven?

A lot of questions I know. Im just very hungry and curous. Thank you and God bless! :D:getholy:
Hey, I was a Protestant for a long time, but am thinking of returning to the Catholic Church.

🙂

For me, I see a biblical descendent for Purgatory:

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In hell,[a] where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’"

(Luke 16)

As a Protestant, I was taught that “Abraham’s side” referred to a place also called Hades, which is neither Heaven, nor Hell. Hence, the Bible supports the idea that a third place (or state of existence) exists after death. It’s not illogical to say it is possible that this place, or state has become what we now call Purgatory, I think.
 
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