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bones_IV:
Stop accusing the Vatican of lying, they infallibly intrepret God’s Holy Word and the situation regarding Fatima
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First of all, “Inside the Vatican” is not the Vatican. Secondly “Inside the Vatican” is not infallible. Thirdly, the Vatican is not infallible in it’s handling of matter of Fatima. Fourthly, you have no authority to tell me what to write, so you may as well stop acting as if you do.
“I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to My Immaculate Heart. By this means, He promises to save Russia…If people attend to My requests, Russia will be converted and the world will have peace.” Our Lady of Fatima
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PETITION TO OUR HOLY FATHER,
POPE JOHN PAUL II
Most Holy Father:

The Sacred Constitution of the Church affirms that the Faithful have the right, and indeed, the obligation to make their spiritual needs known to their pastors. Both Vatican I and the Council of Lyons have solemnly declared our right to have recourse to Your Holiness in matters pertaining to our spiritual welfare.

Mindful first and always of my duty to Jesus and Mary, I come before Your Holiness now in deepest reverence and respect to beg that you will:

1.Publicly release the Third Secret of Fatima as Our Lady asked to be done, letting the Faithful have full and open access to Her words of hope and warning.

2.Lift the command of silence imposed by your predecessor on Sister Lucia, the last remaining seer of Fatima, permitting her the freedom to speak openly to the world.

3.Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in the solemn and public manner commanded by Our Lord and Our Lady, acknowledging that it is “by this means” only that Russia will be converted and peace given to the world.
Submitted respectfully in the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary.

secure.fatima.org/forms/petition.asp
 
Russia has been Consecrated, even if the name “Russia” was never mentioned. Here is the proof. Just the facts:
National Catholic Reporter
ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives2/2004c/091704/091704a.php
Protestantism in Russia is growing by leaps and bounds, they say, while the Catholic church sits on the sidelines for the sake of a murky ecumenical moment that never seems to arrive.
(Catholics remain stuck at 1% -1.25% of the population.)
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For Russians the total fertility rate, which is the average number of children a woman of childbearing age will have at current birthrates, fell from 2.0 in 1989 to 1.4 in 1993. The State Committee for Statistics (Goskomstat) estimates that the rate wi ll decline further to 1.0 by the year 2000. Roughly half as many children were born in 1993 as in 1987. In 1994 the population of Russia fell by 920,000.

Russia continues to have the highest abortion rate in the world, as did the Soviet Union. In the mid-1990s, the Russian average was 225 terminated pregnancies per 100 births and ninety-eight abortions for every 1,000 women of childbea ring age per year–a yearly average of 3.5 million. An estimated one-quarter of maternal fatalities result from abortion procedures.

Data as of July 1996​

because of abortion, Russia has one of the lowest birth rates on earth – about one child per woman, only half the birth rate needed to maintain Russia’s population.

CBS NEWS:
Russia’s Shocking Birth Statistics
MOSCOW, Oct. 18, 2002
cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/18/world/printable526182.shtml

About 60 percent of all pregnancies in Russia end in abortion, and another 10 percent of pregnant women lose unborn children because of health problems, the nation’s chief gynecologist said Friday.

Russia ranks second in the world behind Romania in the number of abortions per capita, Vladimir Kulakov, the head of the Scientific Center for Obstetrics and Gynecology, said at a news conference.

Girls in Russia under 18 account for every tenth abortion, he said. Doctors say the use of contraception is less widespread in Russia than in the West.

Of some 38 million women of childbearing age, about 6 million are infertile, and medical authorities consider abortions a major cause of infertility, Kulakov said.
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**Therefore, by these splendid facts, every indication of the conversion of Russia is manifest.

As far as a period of PEACE goes, well, Islam means “PEACE” so we are sell into that "PEACE " period. After all, “Islam=PEACE” has been top in the news since 9.11.2003.

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Thirdly, the Vatican is not infallible in it’s handling of matter of Fatima.

That’s blasphemy! Yes they are. You my friend you need to study the Catholic faith. I have yet to hear a response from you regarding EWTN’s statement regarding Fatima. Even Father Bob Levis finds Inside the Vatican reliable.

Padre Pio “The Rosary is the weapon.”
 
The apparitions are not part of the Catholic faith. Public Revelation ended in 100 a. d. with the death of John the Evangelist.

Padre Pio “The Rosary is the weapon.”
 
John TE:
Thirdly, the Vatican is not infallible in it’s handling of matter of Fatima.
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bones_IV:
That’s blasphemy! Yes they are. You my friend you need to study the Catholic faith.
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Vatican I and Vatican II specified the conditions necessary for an expression of an infallible pronouncement: 1) It must be a collegial act dealing with a revealed truth concerning faith or morals; 2) There must be an explicit call for absolute assent; 3) The pronouncement must be the unanimous teaching of all the bishops.

No pope has spoken ex cathedra on matters relating to Fatima, so what I’ve said is true. The Vatican is not infallible in it’s handling of Fatima.

Infallible pronouncements are very rare. Since Vatican I, there has been only one: the definition of Mary’s Assumption (1950).
 
125 Q. When does the Church teach infallibly?
A. The Church teaches infallibly when it speaks through the Pope and bishops united in general council, or through the Pope alone when he proclaims to all the faithful a doctrine of faith or morals.

But how will we know when the Pope speaks ex cathedra, when he is speaking daily to people from all parts of the world? To speak ex cathedra or infallibly, three things are required:

He must speak as the head of the whole Church, not as a private person; and in certain forms of words by which we know he is speaking ex cathedra.
What he says must hold good for the whole Church that is, for all the faithful, and not merely for this or that particular person or country.
He must speak on matters of faith or morals-that is, when the Holy Father tells all the faithful that they are to believe a certain thing as a part of their faith; or when he tells them that certain things are sins, they must believe him and avoid what he declares to be sin. He could not make a mistake in such things. He could not say that Our Lord taught us to believe and do such and such, if Our Lord did not so teach, because Our Lord promised to be with His Church for all time, and to send the Holy Ghost, who would teach it all truth and abide with it forever. If then the Church could make mistakes in teaching faith and morals, the Holy Ghost could not be with it, and Our Lord did not tell the truth-to say which would be blasphemy. But remember, the Pope is not infallible unless he is teaching faith or morals; that is, what we believe or do in order to save our souls. If the Holy Father wrote a book on astronomy, mathematics, grammar, or even theology, he could make mistakes as other men do, because the Holy Ghost has not promised to guide him in such things. Nevertheless, whatever the Pope teaches on anything you may be pretty sure is right. The Pope is nearly always a very learned man of many years’ experience. He has with him at Rome learned men from every part of the world, so that we may say he has the experience of the whole world. Other rulers cannot and need not know as much as the Holy Father, because they have not to govern the world, but only their own country. Moreover, there is no government in the whole world as old as the Church, no nation that can show as many rulers without change; so we may say the Pope has also the experience of all the Popes who preceded him, from St. Peter down to our present Holy Father, Pius XI-two hundred and sixty-one popes. Therefore, considering all this, we should have the very greatest respect for the opinions and advice of the Holy Father on any subject. We should not set up our limited knowledge and experience against his, even if we think that we know better than he does about certain political events taking place in our country, for we are not sure that we do. The Holy Father knows the past history of nations; he knows the nature of mankind; he knows that what takes place in one nation may, and sometimes does, take place in another under the same circumstances. Thus the Holy Father has greater foresight than we have, and we should be thankful when he warns us against certain dangers in politics or other things. He does not teach politics; but as everything we do is either good or bad, every statesman or politician must consider whether what he is about to do be right or wrong, just or unjust. It is the business and duty of the Holy Father to declare against the evil or unjust actions of either individuals or nations, and for that reason he seems at times to interfere in politics when he is really teaching morals. At times, too, governments try to deprive the Church or the Holy Father of their rights; and when he defends himself against such injustice and protests against it, his enemies cry out that he is interfering with the government.
 
I think the real question is who’s authority are you going to accept the Church’s or private individuals.
I believe the church’s and many other devout catholics would agree even Michele Arnold an apologetist would agree that Russia has already been consecrated. John, I said it before and I’ll say it again, if you claim that Russia has not been consecrated provide the credentials. You still haven’t provided any sound proof yet. Because you have failed to provide any sound proof, you are contracting the Church’s position on Fatima.

As far as papal documents go, think again.
www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/CONSECRA.HTM
 
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bones_IV:
I think the real question is who’s authority are you going to accept the Church’s or private individuals.
I believe the church’s and many other devout catholics would agree even Michele Arnold an apologetist would agree that Russia has already been consecrated. John, I said it before and I’ll say it again, if you claim that Russia has not been consecrated provide the credentials. You still haven’t provided any sound proof yet. Because you have failed to provide any sound proof, you are contracting the Church’s position on Fatima.

As far as papal documents go, think again.
www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/CONSECRA.HTM
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“Inside the Vatican” is not the church. Michele Arnold is not the church. EWTN is not the church.

I am not obligated to prove a negative.

Regarding your claim and “proofs” that Russia has been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart: Pius XII’s 1942 consecration of the world is the only one worth addressing because it is the only one that even mentions Russia at all. However, it was not carried out as our Lady specified, as Father Gruner explains:
"Interestingly, only Pope Pius XII’s consecration of the world in 1942 included substantial involvement of the bishops. Sister Lucy has written that this imperfect act of obedience, while not fulfilling Our Lady’s Fatima request, nevertheless hastened the end of the Second World War, thus sparing the lives of tens of millions of souls.
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"In response to Sister Lucy’s question why He would not convert Russia without the Holy Father consecrating that nation to His Mother’s Immaculate Heart, Our Lord replied “Because I want My whole Church to acknowledge that consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary so that it may extend its cult later and put the devotion of the Immaculate Heart beside the devotion to My Sacred Heart.”
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fatima.org/essentials/facts/consecra.asp
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John TE said:
“Inside the Vatican” is not the church. Michele Arnold is not the church. EWTN is not the church.

I am not obligated to prove a negative.

Regarding your claim and “proofs” that Russia has been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart: Pius XII’s 1942 consecration of the world is the only one worth addressing because it is the only one that even mentions Russia at all. However, it was not carried out as our Lady specified, as Father Gruner explains:
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Are you sure? Then I guess that EWTN, Arnold are not part of the body of Christ. Do you not know that the Communion of Saints is the Body of Christ the Church with Christ as the head? Of Course it is. Read your catechesis again. Once again your nonsensical, heretical claims hold no ground. This discussion as far as I’m concerned is over.
God Bless.

Padre Pio “The Rosary is the weapon.”
 
John TE, any catholic who knowingly gives attention to alleged apparitions at the expense of sacred scripture, the church teaching (especially the catechism) the practice of sacramentals, penance, prayer and fidelity to church authority is spiritually off course. Running after private revelation, approved and alleged ones, can create according to St. John of the Cross spiritual advarice. This leads to greed in revelations and prophecies.
The bishops stance on the apparition must be adhered and respected by the faithful. The Bishops desicion doens’t rest on infallibility.
Approved apparitions do not add anything new or completes the Revelation given to us by Christ himself. The privite revelations must not be seen as to be believed with divine and Catholic faith.
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67** Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Pardre Pio “The Rosary is the weapon.”
 
The Fatima apparitions have been approved by the Vatican.

I’ve said nothing that contradicts scripture or church teaching.

Russia is a cesspool of abortion, violence and corruption.

Russia is clearly reestablishing authoritarian rule.

There are less Catholics in Russia now than there were when our Lady instructed the Pope to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart.

Catholics must urge the pope to follow our Lady’s instructions for the consecration of Russia exactly as she has stated.
 
I never fail to be amazed at the amount of ink spilled and webspace clogged with these debates over a Marian apparition that no Catholic is even required to believe in.

Think if all that time and heat and passion spent over these Fatima arguments were instead employed in corporal works of mercy…

When we all die and end up in front of the Judge, I somehow sort of suspect the question will be “How well did you live My commandments?”, and not “How convincingly did you argue whether Russia was consecrated to the Immaculate Heart?”

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