Moslem leader speaks on Women

[Montalban]

Moslems are going to be gathering in some park (sorry for the poor ‘detail’) this Saturday to rally in support of the Sheikh.

 

[ChristIsTheWay]

Moslems are going to be gathering in some park (sorry for the poor ‘detail’) this Saturday to rally in support of the Sheikh.

Big surprise.

 

[Montalban]

Big surprise.

It was on tonight’s news. They said that they hope it will be peaceful. They’re sending the message around by SMS

I’m sure they’ll have lots of activities to attract families;
flag-burning for the kiddies,
stoning of effigies for the adults

So much for the Sheikh not being in touch with Islam

 

[pro_universal]

It was on tonight’s news. They said that they hope it will be peaceful. They’re sending the message around by SMS

Interesting. When Muslims do an SMS, it’s a rally to support someone.

The last time there was an SMS campaign in Sydney, it was a bunch of messages about how Australians should rally together as whites in order to kill/beat/drive out all the brown people. And they did gather in large mobs in cronulla to just that: beat on any brown people they saw.

I’d rather be white and at any Muslim rally in Sydney than be brown and stuck in the white-power mobs that were running around Cronulla.

 

[eleonardo]

Interesting. When Muslims do an SMS, it’s a rally to support someone.

The last time there was an SMS campaign in Sydney, it was a bunch of messages about how Australians should rally together as whites in order to kill/beat/drive out all the brown people. And they did gather in large mobs in cronulla to just that: beat on any brown people they saw.

I’d rather be white and at any Muslim rally in Sydney than be brown and stuck in the white-power mobs that were running around Cronulla.

You’re always so selective in your news reports. Have you been following France lately?
And what’s this comparison fenomenon you keep grasping at?

 

[Montalban]

Pro_Universal…
Firstly, you said you’re not Australian. Therefore, by your own rules of exclusion, you’re not allowed to comment on the Cronulla riots.

Are you ready to address any of the primary evidence presented to you?

You also made a claim about the Sheikh’s comments being not widely supported.

This is refuted by these coming events,
and given said exclusion rule (and you claim to be non-Moslem), you’re not able to comment

Try another thread.

 

[Montalban]

I’d rather be white and at any Muslim rally in Sydney than be brown and stuck in the white-power mobs that were running around Cronulla.

For those many of you outside Australia this is the event to which our resident Moslem apologist refers to.

Cronulla is a beach suburb, part of Sutherland Shire, or ‘the Shire’ as it is known locally. It is frequented by many from across Sydney. Cronulla locals are very protective of their beach. Moslem youths would frequently harass non-Moslem women. Even my mum got harassed. They would gather around women and make lewd and suggestive remarks, or would be rude

After years of these low-jinks things came to a peak when Moslems bashed two life guards. Life guards who are there to save lives, and who were doing their duty.

A SMS message campaign went around to ‘reclaim the beach’. What started out as a family-like atmosphere (complete with BB-Q’s) turned ugly as over-heated, drunken youths spurred on by some white supremacists turned upon Moslems and beat them.

Following this disgusting act, Moslem gangs went to the area the next couple of nights in reprisal attacks on lone people.

The police in effect put a blockade around the Shire, stopping non-residents from entering.

The police arrested many of the rioters from the original riot. For instance, a father saw his son in the riot, and turned his son into the police.

Moslem communities were given Close-circuit TV images of rioters from the ‘reprisals’. The response from the Moslem community has been one of almost complete silence. They were publicly criticised by the police who said that if they wanted to be counted as part of the wider Australian community they should help the police. The reply was it was not their job to police their community. And so there has been little or no co-operation.

 

[melbourne_guy]

The cronella riots were fueled by an innocent life guard who was beaten by young men of middle eastern appreance. Attacks of aggression by middle eastern youths happen like that all the time in cronulla, and the young community had had enough of it. the original protest was suppsoed to be peaceful but an excess of alcohol by midday caused a shameful disaster on the australians part. The muslim youths also had there sms of retaliation and sadly that also turned violent. So pro dont act stupid, you know the full story yet you always seem to leave half out.

 

[Montalban]

The cronella riots were fueled by an innocent life guard who was beaten by young men of middle eastern appreance. Attacks of aggression by middle eastern youths happen like that all the time in cronulla, and the young community had had enough of it. the original protest was suppsoed to be peaceful but an excess of alcohol by midday caused a shameful disaster on the australians part. The muslim youths also had there sms of retaliation and sadly that also turned violent. So pro dont act stupid, you know the full story yet you always seem to leave half out.

Indeed. Both riots were horrible and violent. However only one has resulted in one community being rapped over the knuckles, whilst the Moslem one just pretends it’s always the victim

 

[melbourne_guy]

Indeed. Both riots were horrible and violent. However only one has resulted in one community being rapped over the knuckles, whilst the Moslem one just pretends it’s always the victim

yeh thats true. The boy who had “we grew here you flew here” painted on his chest publicly apologised and was fired from his job.

 

[exclamation_mar]

Dear Exclamation Mark, what part of the world are you from and where do you live now, if a different place from where you were born?
Welcome, by the way. You sort of put your head in an oven by coming here - there is alot of anger here. But I thank you for coming here…

thanx ella for your comment,
actually, most anger was for the insulting comparison by al hilali in comparing women as raw meat ! but ((some)) non-muslims here do agree that how a women dresses might be a reason to be raped and assaulted.

check out this link: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=116323

What i’ve said is to show that what al hilali said is not always right, being half naked is not always a reason to be raped, sometimes even women wearing cloaks covering their whole body are raped and assaulted.

i hope i’ve cleared the point.

 

[pro_universal]

The cronella riots were fueled by an innocent life guard who was beaten by young men of middle eastern appreance.

Most lebanese expats are Christian. How do we know that these attackers were Muslims?

That goes for you too, Montalban. You call the attackers Muslim. How do you know?

Attacks of aggression by middle eastern youths happen like that all the time in cronulla, and the young community had had enough of it.

Oh yeah. Those white supremacists were not even racist until the week of the cronulla attacks, and then they magically started believing that only whites should be in Australia.

Give me a break. Cronulla is a hotbed of racism, and Australia has a serious problem with racism. You might even call it a racist country, what with the number of votes Pauline Hanson got. But you wouldn’t expect to be stereotyped as a racist would you? I think that’s completely unfair. So why stereotype middle easterners based on what one Sheikh says?

the original protest was suppsoed to be peaceful but an excess of alcohol by midday caused a shameful disaster on the australians part.

Are you kidding? White supremacists who started beating any brown person they saw were just “having a good time with the family” and then suddenly transformed into racists? I don’t buy it for a second.

The muslim youths also had there sms of retaliation and sadly that also turned violent. So pro dont act stupid, you know the full story yet you always seem to leave half out.

Yeah, except there was no “Islamic” retaliation movement. Most of the Lebanese who participate in crime and violence are CHRISTIAN expatriates from Lebanon, not Muslims, so this is untrue.

It was a race riot, not a religious riot. But apparently some people are so blinded by race that they think all middle easterners are Muslims. That just proves my point about the culture of stereotyping and discrimination here.

 

[Ella]

Gentlemen, Pro has misdirected your attention from the matter at hand, a pattern I’ve started to notice in all of these threads Pro participates in.
If y’all want to discuss the Cronulla riots, start a thread. Don’t let Pro divert us from the subject.
The Sheikh made a statement; Pro said it was not supported by muslims; now we find out a rally is going to be held by muslims in support of the Sheikh. So Pro is wrong.

BTW - what is an SMS please?

Exclamation Mark, thanks for your reply.

 

[cestusdei]

It was not Maronite’s who perpetrated riots or attacked women. You don’t hear Cardinal Sfir saying such things about women.

 

[Ella]

Boy this thread shut up in a hurry. Like I said, stick to the matter at hand. Pro was wrong; Muslims in Australia are supporting the sheikh’s statements about women and are going to have a rally of some sort.

 

[pro_universal]

Boy this thread shut up in a hurry. Like I said, stick to the matter at hand. Pro was wrong; Muslims in Australia are supporting the sheikh’s statements about women and are going to have a rally of some sort.

Most are not, and there’s no public announcement of this supposed rally yet.

An SMS is an cell phone’s text message. That was Montalban’s “proof” that this is going to occur.

 

[Myangel]

Pro, MSN had the rally advertised so did MX Sydney newspaper yesterday.

 

[Myangel]

Most are not, and there’s no public announcement of this supposed rally yet.

An SMS is an cell phone’s text message. That was Montalban’s “proof” that this is going to occur.

This was the advertisment in MX. I tried to get the story from MSN, but sorry I wasnt able to.

Hilaly rallies 'must be peaceful’

November 01, 2006 04:30pm

THE New South Wales Police Minister John Watkins has said authorities will not tolerate violent behaviour at rallies held in support of embattled Sheik Taj al-Din al-Hilaly.

Yesterday, members of Sydney’s Muslim community sent thousands of text messages urging a non-violent rally outside the Lakemba mosque in the city’s south-west on Saturday. Another may be organised for Friday.

The sheik has been under pressure to resign after he compared scantily clad women to uncovered meat, saying they invited sexual assault.

He was released from hospital today after he collapsed on Monday during a meeting over his future. He has insisted he will not resign from his position as mufti.

The sheik’s spokesman Keysar Trad said the besieged Muslim cleric left Bankstown Hospital early this morning and had gone to an undisclosed location to continue his recuperation.

The 65-year-old sheik collapsed during a meeting with Lebanese Muslim Association president Tom Zreika and was rushed to hospital by ambulance. Mr Trad said he was now in good spirits and well enough to leave hospital.

Although he gave his strongest indication he would consider quitting in a written statement on Monday, his daughter yesterday said he was adamant he would stay on.

Text messages spread across Sydney called for a show of support this Saturday for Sheik Hilaly. One described the planned rally as “a critical day to show our solidarity and to silence the hypocrites!”

Police Minister John Watkins said officers would have sufficient resources in place to deal with any outbreaks of violence.
“Police will do their job on Friday or Saturday,” he said.

“They’ll be there in numbers. If there’s anti-social or criminal behaviour they will take action. There is no place for a softly, softly approach here.”

Many Muslims had already said they wanted to ensure any rally in support of Sheik Hilaly was peaceful and did not turn into a “flag burning” by an angry mob.

One message sender feared a repeat of the scenes at the Lakemba mosque on the night of the Cronulla riots, when fights broke out during a rally.

“Last thing we need is another display like what was seen outside Lakemba mosque on the night of the riots,” the message implored.

Mr Zreika said last night the rally had not been officially organised by the association and “mixed messages” were being sent about what day the protest would take place.

“We will get some protesters on Friday coming up to Lakemba mosque and chanting for him (Sheik Hilaly) to come back,” Mr Zreika said.

“Friday is our Sabbath so it’s more likely to be then.”
Other messages called on Muslims to support their besieged cleric at a protest at Parry Park near Lakemba Mosque on Saturday at 1pm.

Mr Zreika is urging that any show of support for Shiek Hilaly be peaceful.

 

[Montalban]

Most lebanese expats are Christian. How do we know that these attackers were Muslims?

That goes for you too, Montalban. You call the attackers Muslim. How do you know?

When the shouted al-lah akabar, it gave them away.

Give me a break. Cronulla is a hotbed of racism, and Australia has a serious problem with racism. You might even call it a racist country, what with the number of votes Pauline Hanson got. But you wouldn’t expect to be stereotyped as a racist would you? I think that’s completely unfair. So why stereotype middle easterners based on what one Sheikh says?

Again, I have to remind you of your own rule. You whinged for about a week about non-Moslems commenting on Islam. You are not Australian. Therefore by your own rule of exclusiong, you’re not permitted to comment UNLESS you now disavow that rule

Oh yeah, and the Moslems didn’t just counter-attack in Cronulla.

In Auburn they attacked a Catholic primary school

 

[Montalban]

Most are not, and there’s no public announcement of this supposed rally yet.

An SMS is an cell phone’s text message. That was Montalban’s “proof” that this is going to occur.

You live in this country. You’d have to turn on a tv to know about this.

However, now Hilaly wants weekend rally cancelled
abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200611/s1779758.htm

So he can cancel the rally you’ve never heard about and was never going to happen! Funny he can do that. What a miracle!

And one of the reasons is he’s actually worried about a show-down with other Moslem groups!