Moslems are Cool!!!

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Many Muslims are cool. Unfortunately their religion is Satanic. They need the Gospel to free them from the bondage of their false system.

But that does not mean there are not some great people out their who are Muslims. I have known many who were true friends. But love demand that we share the Gospel with them.
 
In addition to the suicide bombers, let me share with you a story of how the Middle East is in the recent years and their crimes and injustices.

The highest concentration of Overseas Filipino Contract Workers is in the Middle East, particularly in Saudi Arabia. I have friends and acquaintances who told their experiences of working there. In Saudi Arabia in particular, where Muslims rever this nation as a holy site for their Rhamadan, there is widely injustices being done to Filipinos. You may ask why Filipinos? It’s because most Filipinos, if not all, working in Saudi Arabia are Catholics. Once you enter the country, you are not allowed to carry Bible, and any insignia (crosses, crucifix, rosaries, etc.) that bears Christianity. It is a crime if you preach the Gospel. Once you get caught, you will be jailed big time. And your punishment is severe, probably beheading.

In restaurants and any other public places where people gather, women are separated from men. They treat women as second class citizens, if not like a slave. They don’t have equal dignity as men. They don’t have the right to choose who to marry, it’s the parents or the person who will offer a dowry, which is synonymous to buying. Poor women. They are not even allowed to show their faces publicly, just their eyes, and the rest is covered completely. Otherwise they will get punished.

Saudi men tend to commit sodomy in secret because not all of them can marry. Only those that have money can marry–as many women as they can, so long as they have money to support them and their children. I’ve heard that some filipinos are forced to convert to Islam because it’s hard for them to interact with these people, especially in their jobs. They will be discriminated as much as possible so they could convert them. Filipino women hired as babysitters (yaya in tagalog) often ends up sexually abused by their employers. You see, these poor Filipinos doesn’t have any choice because they are there to work and support their families left behind in the Philippines. It’s their bread and butter.

Also, if they hit somebody while driving, they will not prosecute these drivers. They will just tell you “it’s your fault, because in the first place you would not have been hit if you were not there in their country.” These are just few of the many crimes and injustices of these Saudi Muslims. Of course there are other Muslim countries that are lax with their policies. But most of them are indifferent to Christians or non-Muslims.

Pio
 
Adam S:
Do you thyink that the beheading of the two Americans in Iraq was cool? Did you think 9-11 was cool?

Of course that is a mass generalisation! Not all Muslims are terrorists, and im sure you would feel offended by what i just said if i tried to insinuate that all Muslims are evil.

However, to say Muslims are cool is also a generalisation. I have many Muslim friends, and i respect some of their practises, and you are correct, the dedication of some is staggering.

However there is a very sinister side to Islam that it is not politically correct to talk about post 9-11. Honour killings for instance, there have been a few cases in Britain where parents kill their daughters if they are going out with someone who is not a Muslim. Is that cool?

Also the Catholic church believes the best homage to God is shown with how you live your life. Do you help the needy, are you a good person? Im sure God would rather see you feed the hungry, than tell him how great he is five times a day. There needs to be a balance you see.

And what about the great traditions Catholicism has, look at the art, the stories, the aid workers in third world countries. Catholicism has helped shape Western culture, a culture which is a lot more open to other cultures than Islam.

Try reading the Quran, then tell me it is a lovely religion. I read excerpts from it, thinking i would see a lovely religion. All i saw was quotes about the best way to slice an infidel.

Of course, most Muslims are wonderful, but be wary of being eaten up by them, because there is an undercurrent of violence, hypocrisy and forced obedience, as well as vast inequality and intolerance in their religion.
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This isnt directed specifically at you but teh Muslim religion does not encourage any of this. It is the culture of the people. The middle east is filled with extremists who say theyre doing things in the name of Allah but are really going against muslim teachings. I wouldnt even refer to them as Muslims. Islam isnt a bad religion…but the area in which it is practiced is just completely violent and screwed up.
 
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Lilyofthevalley:

There were some nice postings. But because of some bigoted-hate-filled comments many have for Islam her story is now tainted. Thank you to those who posted positively…your Christianity is showing through.​

By ignoring the obvious misdeeds of Islam is being UNchristian. How is it bigoted to point out Muslims believe women should be covered, because allegedly a Muslim man can’t control himself? How is it bigoted to point out Shari is a tyrant’s law and gives a man licesne to beat his wife?
How is bigoted to point out Muslim cultures remove a little girl’s clitoris?
These FACTS should be KNOWN. When something, such as Islam, appears innocuous people should KNOW what they are dealing with.
Call me crazy but WOMEN particulary should know what Islam is about. Especially when someone tries to convert them! Sorry, DHgray I am not politically correct. I refuse to be, if that makes me a bigot, too bad.
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Those are disgusting practices. But the bible has references to demeaning women or stoning disobedient children. And I think that is Arab culture, not the religion in itself. Its like footbinding in china…the horrible mutilation of girls feet…theyre not Muslims. its not the religion, its the culture. Unfortunately, women always get the short end of the stick.
 
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Meggie:
half of you guys DISGUST me your hate for a religion is terrible…
… My friend, 20, who grew up fairly welthy in a large city in Niger, which is in Africa who speakes French and is learning English who feels like getting her green card will be the best presant ever, who’s parents are teaching at my Catholic University, and whose’ sibilings attend local schools is NOT going to blow up any buildings. She sould NOT get deported either and I am NOT going to argue with her about her beliefs. Atleast she follows them, much less can be said for some of the Catholic/christian girls on my dorm floor who dress immodestly, swear, curse, drink, have pre-marital sex, get involved with the occult for entertainment…
…I’d rather deport all of them.
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Amen!!
 
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siamesecat:
This isnt directed specifically at you but teh Muslim religion does not encourage any of this. It is the culture of the people. The middle east is filled with extremists who say theyre doing things in the name of Allah but are really going against muslim teachings. I wouldnt even refer to them as Muslims. Islam isnt a bad religion…but the area in which it is practiced is just completely violent and screwed up.
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I agree. Its the attitude of the people there. Take the Maronites (who are Arab Christians) and their atrocities they have done in Lebanon towards Muslims, and other Christians…
 
:I could be mistaken, this is certainly a possiblity where I am not a scholar on Islam. However, it is my understanding that, within the Islam faith, the greater the level of Orthodoxy, the greater the sympathy to the terrorist’s cause. Again I emphasize, from my understanding, Islam calls for the execution of Infidels, or those who do not follow Allah.:

You are wrong. Infidels are to be conquered and subjugated to Islamic rule, not killed. (And, of course, many Muslims would reinterpret even that.) Islam does traditionally teach that apostates from Islam are to be killed. But Catholicism has also historically called for the execution of heretics and the Catholic domination of society. Of course, you don’t teach that now. But it’s unfair to claim superiority over Islam just because they lag a bit behind us Christians in modernization. Especially since Catholicism is far more centralized and authority-based than Islam and hence can change course much more quickly. Islam is more like Orthodoxy in the sense that the tradition itself is authoritative, as taught by various teachers all over the Islamic world. It takes time to change that kind of system.

:This leads me to believe that so called “good” Muslims (web definition: literally, “one who has surrended;” a follower of Islam) are simply Muslims who fall short of the true teaching of Islam.:

Well, I was told growing up that “good” Catholics fell short of the true teaching of Catholicism, because Catholicism teaches that Catholics are to deceive and kill non-Catholics. I don’t think what you are saying is any more justified. We non-Muslims simply have no business telling Muslims what the “true teaching” of their own religion is. Of course, the same goes for the slogan “Islam is a religion of peace,” except that this is a kind and well-meaning bit of arrogance rather than an uncharitable and prejudiced one.

Islam is what Muslims in fact believe and practice. The phrase “true teaching of Islam” is a meaningless one for non-Muslims. Since we aren’t Muslim, we don’t believe that the teaching of Islam is true, so we have no basis for distinguishing between “true Islam” and “false Islam.” We can discern that Islam has changed from its traditional stance, or that the views expressed by some Muslims are not representative of those of the majority, but anything beyond that is impertinent folly.

I should add that I’m talking about the teaching of recognized, authoritative figures within Islam, not just the private opinions of individual Muslims. Obviously there is some discernable difference between the private opinions of individuals and the teaching publicly promulgated as Islam. But there’s a huge diversity within that teaching. Muslims, as I said above, do not have a unified hierarchy, so that you can’t generalize about them as easy as, say, about Catholics. (Although, as a non-Catholic, I would not simply identify Catholicism with “magisterial” teaching either.)

In Christ,

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
:I could be mistaken, this is certainly a possiblity where I am not a scholar on Islam. However, it is my understanding that, within the Islam faith, the greater the level of Orthodoxy, the greater the sympathy to the terrorist’s cause. Again I emphasize, from my understanding, Islam calls for the execution of Infidels, or those who do not follow Allah.:

You are wrong. Infidels are to be conquered and subjugated to Islamic rule, not killed. (And, of course, many Muslims would reinterpret even that.) Islam does traditionally teach that apostates from Islam are to be killed. But Catholicism has also historically called for the execution of heretics and the Catholic domination of society. Of course, you don’t teach that now.
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You may be right in that I am wrong. Your last sentance in the above quote, though, is the key to the diametric difference. It is not taught now, and, when taught, was in horricfic error. Current Catholics would admit to this error. This differs greatly with the current Muslim beliefs (I am informed).

There seems to be a fundemental question posed. Do Muslims (as a unit) condone the killing, mutilization, be-headings, of non-muslims attributed to thier teachings alone? Do Muslims believe in the executions of innocent people, otherwise deemed guilty, through either their atheist or theist beliefs that oppose the book written by Allah? Seems there is a dance going on around this question.
 
…the traditions that Muslims (Sry about the misspelling I did not know) have are amazing. I mean its so much more rich in Faith to stop what you are doing and give homage to God…
…Catholics don’t do that…I mean we have Daily Mass and all but everything is so optinol and so filled with contraversy.
…I am not suprized more people a becoming Muslims. Compared to Muslims the Catholic church seems wusy…I mean what do WE do for God? The Catholic church demands so little of us compared to what a good Moslim does its ridiculous…
…Anyway the Gates of Hell will not prevail, do not make this into an argument about Muslims…there practices are cool. They really put God over self.

You haven’t heard of the Liturgy of the Hours? It is the second public prayer of the Church. The Mass being the first. It is prayed 5 times a day, morning, daytime, afternoon, evening and night. It is prayed mostly by munks but anyone can pray the Liturgy. So just because the Church doesn’t emphasize it the Church does provide the opertunity to pray throught the day just like the Muslims.

If you are interested in finding out about the Liturgy of the Hours go to liturgyhours.org/.
 
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rarndt01:
Not all Catholics are devout, that is true, but they certainly are not devoted to Allah either. The difficulty with the continuance of allowing muslim arabs to keep flowing into this country, is you have no way of knowing that some of them will be the ones that blow up the very city you reside in, killing THOUSANDS. The only way to prevent this is to close the doors of immigration to all incoming arabs period. I know this sounds harsh, but we are living in very explosive time and our enemy could very well be living right in our own neighborhood.
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The only enemy here is your indifference and ignorance.
 
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Meggie:
ally that is not at all appropriate…

…the traditions that Muslims (Sry about the misspelling I did not know) have are amazing. I mean its so much more rich in Faith to stop what you are doing and give homage to God…
…Catholics don’t do that…I mean we have Daily Mass and all but everything is so optinol and so filled with contraversy.
…I am not suprized more people a becoming Muslims. Compared to Muslims the Catholic church seems wusy…I mean what do WE do for God? The Catholic church demands so little of us compared to what a good Moslim does its ridiculous…
…Anyway the Gates of Hell will not prevail, do not make this into an argument about Muslims…there practices are cool. They really put God over self./QUOTE
… honestly, instead of yelling at us, why don’t you do something about it!:mad: the muslim religion is NOT cool and NOT amazing. If people would actually practise their faith then we would have lots of people who do good stuff for God. We need more faith, we need to learn more about our faith, but people don’t do that. I mean you can say that a lot of people don’t practise their faith in the catholic religion, but common… say that muslims are cool… we need to help our church to grow in faith, not critisize it!
Podo the Hobbit:blessyou:

P.s: im not attacking you, im just saying we should help our faith instead of complaining;)
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Meggie:
… honestly, instead of yelling at us, why don’t you do something about it!:mad: the muslim religion is NOT cool and NOT amazing. If people would actually practise their faith then we would have lots of people who do good stuff for God. We need more faith, we need to learn more about our faith, but people don’t do that. I mean you can say that a lot of people don’t practise their faith in the catholic religion, but common… say that muslims are cool… we need to help our church to grow in faith, not critisize it!
Podo the Hobbit:blessyou:

P.s: im not attacking you, im just saying we should help our faith instead of complaining;)
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Thank you Mr. Podo! (LOL)
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:This differs greatly with the current Muslim beliefs (I am informed).:

Well that’s where I’d argue you’ve been informed wrong. The Muslims I talk to would argue passionately that contemporary Islamic militants are distorting Islamic tradition, and that (for instance) the notion of “jihad” is primarily a spiritual struggle. I suspect that they’re whitewashing their own tradition to some extent–but then Christians do the same thing all the time, frankly. The more important question is whether they speak for a significant number of well-informed, devout Muslims. And clearly they do. Do they speak for a majority? I don’t know. My opinion is that the Westernized “liberals” who would deny the validity of any religion-based violence are at one end of a spectrum, and the militant whackos who blow up or behead innocent civilians are at the other, with most Muslims throughout the world, and the historic Muslim tradition, being somewhere in the middle. But I’m no expert on Islam.

:There seems to be a fundemental question posed. Do Muslims (as a unit) condone the killing, mutilization, be-headings, of non-muslims attributed to thier teachings alone?:

No. Definitely not.

: Do Muslims believe in the executions of innocent people, otherwise deemed guilty, through either their atheist or theist beliefs that oppose the book written by Allah?:

No.

It’s easy to answer these questions because Muslims do not form a “unit.” There’s a lot of variance in Muslim opinions. However, from what I know of classic Islamic thought (not a great deal, but something) I think that historically Islam would generally support war to extend Islamic power, and would support the execution of people who blaspheme Islam or apostasize from it, but would not support the kind of vicious tactics used by contemporary Islamic militants–the massacre of civilians, for instance, simply because they are non-Muslim (as opposed to having actively and personally attacked Islam in some way). That’s not to say that Muslims didn’t use vicious tactics in the past, only that I don’t think Islamic jurists and theologians would have supported those tactics.

Today, however, many Muslims (like most Christians, though not as overwhelmingly) would reject the violent aspects of their tradition. And others have taken those aspects to new extremes, discarding the safeguards and nuances that have been placed around religious violence by Islamic tradition. (My understanding is that there is a whole traditional discussion of “just war” in the Islamic tradition, and that Islamic militants today are like Christian fundamentalists in this at least–that they despise and ignore the riches of Islamic tradition in favor of their own “literal” interpretation of the Koran.)

I welcome correction by people who know more about Islam than I do.

In Christ,

Edwin
 
mark a said:
*I wonder if Muslims have a group like Christianity’s KKK? *
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See Al-Qaeda, Hamas, Al-Aksa Martyrs Bregade, Islamic Jihad, etc.
 
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Axel:
I agree. Its the attitude of the people there. Take the Maronites (who are Arab Christians) and their atrocities they have done in Lebanon towards Muslims, and other Christians…
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Care to elaborate?

Mel
 
Contarini said:
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Today, however, many Muslims (like most Christians, though not as overwhelmingly) would reject the violent aspects of their tradition. And others have taken those aspects to new extremes, discarding the safeguards and nuances that have been placed around religious violence by Islamic tradition. (My understanding is that there is a whole traditional discussion of “just war” in the Islamic tradition, and that Islamic militants today are like Christian fundamentalists in this at least–that they despise and ignore the riches of Islamic tradition in favor of their own “literal” interpretation of the Koran.)

I welcome correction by people who know more about Islam than I do.

In Christ,

Edwin
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You may be correct Edwin. However terrorism is not vehementally denounced by the Islamic community. In fact I have seen very little said against terrorism by the Islamic community at all. Wouldn’t you think they’s be loudly outpoken about the beheadings in Iraq? Where is the voice of the Muslims on this? Why are they not boldly stating they are not in agreement with this? Why aren’t they condeming this boldly, loudly and worldwide?
 
Why is it that the young and the vulnerable are so easily led to believe that the Muslim religion is COOL? There have been many American Blacks who were converted to the Muslim religion when they were in jail and were most vulnerable. I would love to have a Black Muslim tell us on this thread what it was that convinced him to convert.
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 I remember back in the 60's when many young people were easily influenced by the Flower Children (hippies). The hippies always had smiles on their faces and loved to hug and give strangers flowers.  The young people would compare that "loving" life to their sacrificing hard-working parent's lives and decide that being a Flower Child was much "COOLER" than being a "sad-faced" Catholic.  Little did they realize that the hippy life would become a life of drugs and other things their sad-faced parents warned them about.
Wasn’t there a bible story about the “holy people” who would go up to the front of the church and make grand gestures to show the world how holy they were! Wasn’t the lesson from that parable that to make a big production of your praying in public was not what God wanted? I am not accusing the Muslims of being like the Pharisees but I am saying that just because someone appears to be praying many times a day in public does not necessarily mean they are “holy”.
 
:You may be correct Edwin. However terrorism is not vehementally denounced by the Islamic community. In fact I have seen very little said against terrorism by the Islamic community at all. Wouldn’t you think they’s be loudly outpoken about the beheadings in Iraq? Where is the voice of the Muslims on this? Why are they not boldly stating they are not in agreement with this? Why aren’t they condeming this boldly, loudly and worldwide?:

What sources of Islamic opinion do you follow on a regular basis? Where do you get the information to make a claim like this? Maybe you haven’t seen Islamic condemnations of terrorism because you haven’t been looking. The fact that Fox News (or whatever source you rely on) doesn’t report something doesn’t mean that it isn’t happening, you know.

All you had to do was type “Muslim condemnation terrorism” into Google and you would have gotten sites such as this one containing many Muslim condemnations of Sept. 11. Note particularly this BBC report which shows that even Syrian and Iranian clerics condemned the methods of the terrorists (although of course they also expressed the opinion that the U.S. government had done much to provoke attacks). The Al-Azhar mosque in Cairo, which is as representative of worldwide Islam as anything, unequivocally condemned the attacks. A respected Muslim scholar in Qatar insisted that attacks on civilians are absolutely condemned by Islam: “I categorically go against a committed Muslim’s embarking on such attacks. Islam never allows a Muslim to kill the innocent and the helpless.”

This website contains a string of extracts from various Arab newspapers condemning the terrorist attack at Beslan.

American Muslims strongly condemned the beheadings in Iraq, of course. But they were not alone. This article is honest about the extent to which many Muslim clerics do sanction acts of terrorism such as the Palestinian suicide bombings. But note this paragraph about the Iraq beheadings: “Condemnation has come from some of the Muslim world’s most prominent scholars. Egypt’s foremost religious leader, Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, says “beheadings and mutilation of bodies stand against Islam.” And Lebanon’s top Shiite Muslim cleric, Grand Ayatollah Sheik Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, maintains that Islam doesn’t sanction the killing and abduction of foreigners who are working in Muslim countries.”

In other words, all you needed to do was type in a Google search and you would have found quite a bit of material. What do you want? Are Muslims in Egypt supposed to put you on their email list and notify you every time they speak out against terrorist acts?

In Christ,

Edwin
 
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