I believe there are physical properties to the Universe that operate in a predictable and quantifiable way, angular momentum conservation for example, but I don’t know if I believe in an objective truth the way you mean it.
Truth is a positive. “no creator” is a negative. There is nothing else I can say.
Thank you. You are one of the few who understands. Carpe Diem
Part of a good education is the ability to understand what one reads. I said (about someone else’s post who claimed that one should only learn subjects that will be useful to one’s career) : “What you describe is not education but vocational training, which is fine itself, but it is not education.” I also said “we are beginning to lose the idea of how a broad education can be fundamental to a good life.” Now do you see how you are wrestling with shadows?
Well - you got one thing right - we have different ideas about the outward signs of a good life.
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What is your definition of ‘a good life’? Did it occur to you that there are people with vocational training that have a good life? Perhaps, I am misunderstanding what you are implying by your statement and you need to expand upon it so as to give it some depth? To me it is a dead end statement. No offense meant by that. This is what I know from having experienced life: I know of people that are in the trades that belong to a union. They make a lot of money (6 figures) and have incredible benefits through the union that pass on to the spouse. They live the good life too!Travel a lot, have fun, make time to socialize and enjoy their life with family, friends, and strangers. Also, several people went through vocational training that now own more than one company. Both are extremely happy, have traveled extensively, own estates, enjoy entertaining friends and family, and are involved in charity functions. One has two vacation homes that friends and family are always welcomed to use free of charge. One vacation home I recently stayed at for a week was in a gated community where many CEO’s live. I was able to make new friends with the neighbors there and was invited to stay in their vacation homes whenever it pleased me. They extended that offer to my friends that I invited to my friend’s home. (That’s a piece of the good life.) The house I stayed in was 6,800 square feet with it’s own recreation room, tennis court, swimming pool, and spa. I should mention these friends of mine have young adults that have graduated from a university. Some decided to be active in the family business. Others decided to get married and have children. The young mothers are too busy with the kids though they do have a University degree.
This is my definition of the good life, which I consider to be just a few pieces of a rather big jig saw puzzle : Value relationships, don’t hold a grudge, never stop learning (Science is incrediable), stand by my principles, collaborate whenever possible, stay fit, laugh and have fun, work hard, volunteer, be pleasant and kind to employees, family, friends, neighbors, strangers and animals, pay the bills, and stay very close to the fact that I honestly from the depth of my inner being love God (The Father, Son (Jesus), and Holy Spirit), sing, dance, and never stop giving or sharing my life with others.
No need to be smug about it. Yes, I do read quite often. I wasn’t denying a broad education was important. I strickly took issue with you knocking down friends that I have with this statement of yours, “In this world of ever more specialised and vocational training, we are beginning to lose the idea of how a broad education can be fundamental to a good life.”
Also, I DON’T SEE SHADOWS IN MY POSTING to you.Obviously, you neglected to consider this that I earlier wrote.
Asking you again, “What is your definition of ‘a good life’?” Did you notice Cathdoki a scientist in 138 gave me a thumbs up for my response to you?This is my definition of the good life, which I consider to be just a few pieces of a rather big jig saw puzzle : Value relationships, don’t hold a grudge, never stop learning (Science is incrediable), stand by my principles, collaborate whenever possible, stay fit, laugh and have fun, work hard, volunteer, be pleasant and kind to employees, family, friends, neighbors, strangers and animals, pay the bills, and stay very close to the fact that I honestly from the depth of my inner being love God (The Father, Son (Jesus), and Holy Spirit), sing, dance, and never stop giving or sharing my life with others.
I wanted to take a minute to address this specific remark of yours. I hope you don’t mind.
We may agree on a few things. Maybe.
Best wishes to you in this endeavor.Unless of course you are wrong about jesus being god and it is one of the 1000’s of other man made Gods that is waiting for you.
Did you know that Richard Antcliff is the deputy director of Langley Research Center’s Aerospace Vehicle Systems Technology Office and head of the Prayer Club at NASA Langley? He believes in God and so do a lot of Christians there. You had better not be rude with snide remarks about people who believe in God. Manners are an important part of a civilized culture.
Eh? Where was i rude? I was pointing out that Pascals wager is absurd because it does not take into account every variable.Did you know that Richard Antcliff is the deputy director of Langley Research Center’s Aerospace Vehicle Systems Technology Office and head of the Prayer Club at NASA Langley? He believes in God and so do a lot of Christians there. You had better not be rude with snide remarks about people who believe in God. Manners are an important part of a civilized culture.
researchernews.larc.nasa.gov/archives/2002/032202/Commentary.html
The evidence is this statement of your’s, “Unless of course you are wrong about jesus being god and it is one of the 1000’s of other man made Gods that is waiting for you.” Since then your new remarks lead me to think I was correct that you are rude and continuing to be rude by attacking Richard Antcliff. Richard is a human being just like you. Critical thinking involves respectful discourses amoung human beings, which you have failed to do. Again I repeat, " Manners are an important part of a civilized culture." Being respectful of people whether they are religious or non-religious is a key factor in living a healthy lifestyle. Fortunately, for me there isn’t a problem outside of cyberspace.Eh? Where was i rude? I was pointing out that Pascals wager is absurd because it does not take into account every variable.
Why is it when people point out the flaws in religious belief they are being rude and snide?
PS i couldn’t care less what Richard Antcliff believes, he is just another in the long list of people that hold a belief that is not supported by a single shred of evidence. Critical thinking is also important in a civilized culture.
No it doesn’t. Critical thinking involves thinking critically.
Critical thinking is ‘teaching and learning at a high level of effectiveness’ that involves respectful discourses amoung human beings.
You can think critically and not pass any information about your thoughts on to anyone at all.
You may wish to take the position on the forum of being a silent observer without placing written words here. In a classroom if a person were not nice (respectful) to a teacher he or she might be placed on suspension or sent home for the day. Here on this forum not being nice (respectful) to others (religious and non-religous) might result in a suspension of sorts.
I don’t understand where you’re going with this? You seem to be focussing on your interlocutor’s lack of manners rather than contending that his statements were invalid.
It’s obvious to me that I replied to your comment. It’s visible to see that I have already replied to interlocutor that resulted dismissing his comments were invalid. The evidence is that millions of people do believe in God. Also, many of them are scientists. Also, interlocutor comments were lacking manners on this topic.
Subjective beliefs are not admissable as evidence. Many people believe that Michel de Nostradame’s Quatrains have sooth-saying powers. Many people believe that alien lifeforms are being held by the US Government in the Nevada Desert. Many people believe that the world is going to end in 2012 because of some Mayan Calander.
I don’t think you’ll find that web forums are covered by current employment laws.I’ll make it very clear, it is against the law to harress religious people in the workplace or just about anywhere that I know of. I consider this website a workplace for me. Thank you for your future consideration in this matter.
There is absolutely no provokative element nor ad homiem attack on anyone in my post #133.
I’ve got to be honest. I did not feel any attack in the noted post. I asked a question and it was answered. That’s all.
I don’t believe in sooth-saying powers. I’m not aware that alien lifeforms are being held by the U.S. Government, and I don’t believe the world is going to end in 2012 because of the Mayan Calander.
I also believe that Catholics have a shared belief in God. Evidence supports that because there are over a million Catholics.
There might be employment laws for employees of this website (Catholic Answers). All I was saying is it’s against the law to harass religious people in the workplace or just about anywhere. Manners is not an Argumentum ad Hominem. Manners has to do with being polite, courteous, and kind by not falsely accusing another person such was the case in
