Most priests know far more about marriage than most married people do

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His decision began interiorly, as all good spiritual resolutions do as well.

He didn’t have a session with his father or brother. Examination was interior.
 
And most priests DO know far more about marriage…why some go south…why others don’t…why some stagnate, which is the same as going south.
 
Most priests waste time on psychology courses.

Psychology as a field has set back the health of humans by an incalculable amount.

Most journal articles in psych pubs CAN’T be reproduced…they fall short of being able to be repeated, a tenet of real science. Greater than 50% can’t be recreated.

They are filled with self-citations, new jargon that hasn’t been distinguished from yesterday’s jargon, they’re political, etc.

It not economics is the true dismal science.
 
There’s a lot of junk research out there in harder sciences. For example, this article claims that there is $28 billion in bad biomedical research per year:

https://www.nature.com/news/irreproducible-biology-research-costs-put-at-28-billion-per-year-1.17711

I don’t know if that number is correct, but I’m sure all of us are familiar with how erratic medical research in the press is–the conventional wisdom on how bad or good things are is constantly changing. (See, for example 1980s beliefs about the benefits of margarine versus butter, or remember when we believed that the artificial heart was going to change everything?)

Psychology has its issues, but that’s because it’s a science in its infancy.

There are large areas in psychology and psychiatry where knowledge is still being built up, but there are areas where a lot of progress has been made. For example, 30 years ago, when I was a kid, nobody realized that autism is a spectrum, and that there is a large number of people with moderate autism symptoms. There have been tremendous steps forward in understanding the autism spectrum in my lifetime, which have greatly benefited me and my kids and millions of others.

I would be the first to say that psychology and psychiatry have a long way to go, but they have already made very valuable findings, and effective psychological methods (for example, cognitive behavioral therapy) is not in conflict with Catholic truth, and should not be regarded as being somehow the enemy.

Edited to add: We’re not Scientologists.
 
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There’s probably a lot of truth to that, Mary. Though the “fishbowl” probably still exists to some extent due to social media, etc., it’s not nearly as restrictive as it was in the past – or even just two decades ago when I was growing up (son of a Lutheran pastor, so I’ve seen how things have changed). The expectation to be a “Pastor’s Wife” simply is disappearing. Culture has shifted enough that congregations generally understand that life exists away from the pulpit. Wives typically have their own jobs now and congregations care very well for the families of their shepherds.

As for holidays, sure, something sentimental is often lost in congregations with a sole pastor who can’t rotate holidays, but plenty of practical perks are gained (no fighting holiday traffic and two weeks off the grid in the summer! 😎). Culture has also shifted in this regard, which makes things easier. Travel and visiting family “the weekend after” isn’t so out of the ordinary for many professions today. Doctors, nurses live similarly.

The ‘public’ aspect of parish life has also become more of a blessing nowadays. On a personal level, it’s a tremendous help to clergy to be able to come home to a family, rather than try to internalize or decompress in unhealthy ways. On a practical level, when you’re living a ‘public’ sort of life, you learn to really consider how your personal sins might affect others. When you model pious living, you become pious. It’s sanctifying, in a way

I guess there are positives and negatives to both a married and a celibate clergy, but I’d tend toward the one that most closely resembles the natural order God instituted at Creation and which was followed by many of the Apostles, including Peter. But I don’t fault anyone who thinks differently.
 
I’m sorry if you had a miserable experience, but I wouldn’t broad-brush pre-marriage courses like that. The Pre Cana course my wife and I took was a tremendous blessing, filled with in-depth Scriptural discussions on expectations for Christian marriage. The lay people who taught the course were knowledgeable and experienced, and the information they shared has continued to prove useful in interpersonal relationships even outside of our marriage. One can find fault in the Roman Catholic Church for many things, but marriage preparation is not one of them.
 
Blessings
It’s not more than. But, they are knowledgeable in the human condition. They are worthy counselors. But, there are 8 million ppl in the Naked City… a lot of stories.
God bless our priests and religious . Holy Spirit call the chosen, loudly to answer the call.
In Christ’s Love
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Huh?

Not sure what “miserable experience” you’re referring to. So I reject your characterization, flatly.
 
Xantippe’s earlier point about parenting is spot on. There is ZERO chance that one knows what parents are up against with a colicky baby in the first 3 months of its life, when neither partner is sleeping and demands on both of them abound, if he hasn’t experienced it himself.
 
Xantippe’s earlier point about parenting is spot on. There is ZERO chance that one knows what parents are up against with a colicky baby in the first 3 months of its life, when neither partner is sleeping and demands on both of them abound, if he hasn’t experienced it himself.
But does a priest to need to be able to relate to that on a personal level to give effective spiritual counsel? He still knows human nature. He still knows moral theology. He still knows virtue.
 
But does a priest to need to be able to relate to that on a personal level to give effective spiritual counsel? He still knows human nature. He still knows moral theology. He still knows virtue.
But he might not realize that his advice is not practical.
 
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But does a priest to need to be able to relate to that on a personal level to give effective spiritual counsel? He still knows human nature. He still knows moral theology. He still knows virtue.
But he might not realize that his advice is not practical.
Then he can be educated. My confessor is married and has given me advice for my marriage that is not practical. He’s giving me parenting advice that doesn’t apply to my situation because of certain circumstances. I explain the circumstances to him, he considers the facts, and changes his advice. Usually. Sometimes he sticks to it because he sees something that I don’t see.
 
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I said “if,” because I did not want to presume you had one. Hopefully, you aren’t bashing a component of Christian education you have no experience in.
 
Nonsense. Some people here seem to think that priests grew up in test tubes, totally unaware or inexperienced with the demands of taking care of children.

Most priests come from larger than normal families, and have been exposed or participated in taking care of younger siblings.

One doesn’t need to live day to day the exact life of a parent to know about the effects of sleep deprivation, caring for others. For instance, most priests regularly have to get up in the middle of the night to go to the hospital to give someone the Anointing of the Sick…etc.

Priests as much or more about self-denial, sleep deprivation, dealing with sorrow, etc,. as any parent.

It’s really ludicrous the positions that some put forth, and what’s worse, they’re not just baseless, they’re dramatic and self-pitying. “Woe is us the parents…no one knows what we do…” Boo hoo.

last week it was the “breast feeders”…some who tried to characterize breast feeding as tantamount to fighting up Mount Suribachi.
 
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Father of a large family.

We have another “Surabachi” person I suppose. Drama.
 
Ad hominem is not becoming of the Christian father. There’s no need to create drama where there is none.

Unless one has both breastfed and scaled Suribachi while under fire, one cannot personally compare either experience. Folk in this thread are not trying to make some measuring contest of “Who’s the Biggest Martyr?” They’re simply stating a simple fact: you’ve only experienced something if you’ve experienced it. Surely, no one here would argue with that.

Now, can a priest who hears confessions and counsels the burdened come to great knowledge on the subject? Of course. Can he give useful spiritual and even practical advice? Of course! But he cannot truly have empathy with others if he has not shared in their experience. And that’s fine.
 
Name the person I supposedly ad hom’ed.

You can’t.

Silly, overused, amateurish claim.
 
I had 3 combat tours in Iraq and fought through gunfire. But tks for the condescension.
 
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