Most Reverend David L. Ricken appointed as the 12th Bishop of the Diocese of Green Bay

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MusicMan said:
Are you in our Diocese?
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No as a matter of fact I am not. I do not need to be a part of your diocese to defend your Bishop. I am frankly appaled at the total lack of respect, and lack of support given to Bishop Morlino. I am curious however as to why you would think me to be a part of oyur diocese.
 
It’s real easy to sit outside the Diocese, not in the thick of things, and and have no idea of what is actually going on here. You don’t know. You’re not involved. It’s very easy to defend anyone when you don’t have all the information. You don’t.
 
MusicMan said:
It’s real easy to sit outside the Diocese, not in the thick of things, and and have no idea of what is actually going on here. You don’t know. You’re not involved. It’s very easy to defend anyone when you don’t have all the information. You don’t.
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Yes and its also very easy to justify the defense of a priest if your not in the thick of it, this being beacuse regardless of his own stading, he is a man of God and we as Catholics are charged to respect him in spite of our pesonal feelings. You have no right to judge Bp. Morlino, and as said earler I am appaled in your lack of faith in your shepard, and your lack of faith in the Vicar of Christ.
 
I lived in the Madison diocese for 20+ years. 4 of my kids baptised there. Most of the time I spent at 2 parishes some 30 miles away from Madison and it was a very favorable experience.

I did go to the University parish for a few years and was a bit uncomfortable. My complaint was that the inside was hardly recognizable as a church. If there was a crucifix there it was too small to find. And the homily was usually without mention of God. Only social issues seemed to be preached. I was, at the time, clueless that I was witnessing awfull liturgical abuses . The homilist was often female dressed like a deacon, the bread used for consecration was a loaf sliced into cubes that had all kinds of stuff in it (not wheat flower and water). It was crumbly and we administered it ourselves to the person behind us. I cringe thinking back on it.
Any way, my point is that Madison is a very very liberal town. I am sure there are a number of priests who feel that they must oppose a bishop who insists on turning back the “progresses” they have made. But what about the parishoners. Should they not have a bishop who will demonstrate the errors and cause those who would keep the explicit church teaching from their flock? (and the priests).
It is much easier to go along to get along. Unless of course you are truely commited to Love of God and Neighbor.
Now maybe the Bishop has not made all the best moves. I don’t know. But I do know that there are situations, especially in Madison that needed agressive fixing. And, I also know that he is faithfully catholic in every teaching I have heard. I am quite sure that the diocese is better for him.

Oh and I am so pleased to hear such good things about Bishop Ricken!
 
schatzi said:
BTW, rather than looking to Google for information on Bishop Morlino, I would suggest using CAF’s search tool and see what other Catholics are writing about him.
I found this especially edifying: lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/nov/06110203.html
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Thanks for the link. What a great man. I pray he continues to reform what needs reform.

Why are those in his flock not seeking cheerful obedience? Do they only obey when they agree? I would guess there is a deeper problem and this bishop deserves credit for being strong.
 
MusicMan said:
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MusicMan you have had no problem commenting on other diocese such as N.O. and in the statement below you have supported the right of the bishop to render decisions as the unquestionable leader of the Diocese. Brother, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander!

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That’s a bona fide liturgical abuse.
This you want to argue? It’s authorized by the diocesesan bishop, and it’s his call to do so. Period.

Sorry to say that this thread, which started as a discussion about Bishop Ricken, has degenerated into a bashing of Bishop Morlino.

To those of you in Madison, so sorry to hear you don’t like the heavy handedness of your bishop but, when implementing origination change, there are several ways to do so. Bishop Morlino could have tried the Gentle Shepard approach and move his flock slowly and implemented change slowly, continuing the never-ending debates over theological direction, but where would you be today? Still debating … still contemplating the merits of both sides of an argument. Madison, being a VERY liberal university town, and the capital of the state, has the option and obligation of debating everything. That’s what academics and politicians do for a living. Unfortunately for you, and the Politician Catholics and Academia Catholics, the Magisterium has rendered option on all the issues that some of your priests and their congregations want to debate in an open forum. Be it abortion, gay marriage, gay priests, married priests, embolic stem cell research and so on the, Holy See has taken issued the conservative viewpoint.

On the other hand, when his flock is in danger or needs to be moved to a greener pasture, the Good Shepard sometimes needs to smack the sheep on the rump with his staff to get them moving in the right direction. That is what has happened.

The Catholic Church is not a Democracy, it is a Theocracy! It has always been so, and like it or not, the bishop of a diocese middle name is normally Theo. (Sorry for the pun)

I agree with schatzi … Pray and Fast for Bishops Morlino and Ricken. Please, stop your whining and get to WORK! :highprayer:
 
Someone else hit the crux of the matter on the head. Madison has a reputation of being a very “liberal” college town. In point of fact, the entire Diocese itself is NOT a liberal diocese. The further you get from the Isthmus, the more conservative the Diocese is. The problems with liberalism in the Diocese of Madison were firmly centered around the University parish, and Bp. Bullock DELIBERATELY sent a new pastor in to clean that up.

I support the Office of the Bishop. I have no issues with his theology … it’s sound, and I have no issues with his loyalty to Rome. The issue I have is how he has antagonized good people and good priests… ones who ARE loyal to the Church and to Rome.

I honestly think he came in with the WRONG impression of the Diocese, clouded by coming to “liberal Madison.” He goofed, and I think the smartest thing is to move him and let him and our Diocese have a fresh start.

That said, I wish my former Diocese of Green Bay the best with its new Bishop. There are wonderful people and holy, orthodox priests in that Diocese. The Auxiliary Bishop, Robert Morneau, is an holy, orthodox, and delightful person, and he will serve his new superior well. I pray for Bp. Ricken and Bp. Morneau that they can have a positive rapport and continue to make the Diocese of Green Bay a good and faithful diocese for Christ’s people.
 
NOW you say: "I support the Office of the Bishop. I have no issues with his theology … it’s sound, and I have no issues with his loyalty to Rome. The issue I have is how he has antagonized good people and good priests… ones who ARE loyal to the Church and to Rome.

Yesterday you said “the Holy Father should move him, let him have a fresh start. And let us heal and move on.”

A few months ago you said (on a different topic): This you want to argue? It’s authorized by the diocesesan bishop, and it’s his call to do so. Period.

I really don’t think you understand the difference between liberal and conservative … by the way The Auxiliary Bishop, Robert Morneau, is a holy and delightful person. He is NOT orthodox!

Like I said …PRAY AND FAST FOR YOUR BISHOP! Stop whining and get back to work!
 
I’ve never questioned the theology or loyalty of Bp. Morlino to Rome. I have only questioned his leadership as Bishop of Madison.
 
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Thanks for the link. What a great man. I pray he continues to reform what needs reform.

Why are those in his flock not seeking cheerful obedience? Do they only obey when they agree? I would guess there is a deeper problem and this bishop deserves credit for being strong.
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Bishop Morlino is an amazing, and unique servant of God. As I posted earlier, he doesn’t suffer fools. He seeks to elevate peoples’ hearts and minds to a closer union with our Lord; and he does this with little regard to being thought friendly. He’s no one’s candidate for a personality cult following.
Bishop Morlino spends a great deal of time in prayer for his diocese, and when he says he loves his people, it’s not with the gooey love that some want to bask in, but the agape love that seeks what is best for them.
Why no cheerful obedience? I dunno, but I don’t believe this thread has exposed a majority, do you?😉
 
Seems this thread got a little off track didn’t it?😉

I’m from the Diocese of Cheyenne and we are very sad to lose Bishop Ricken. Green Bay Diocese is getting an amazing Bishop and you will be so thrilled to get to know him.

He is a very approachable man and a very wonderful shepherd to the people of his Diocese. He has taken our Diocese to places I never would have imagined and he has been with us less than 10 years!

HERE is a link to the prayer thread I just started and there are links to articles about him in that thread.

Additionally, you can read the new issue of** Wyoming Catholic Register**, our Diocesan newspaper and it has a lot of praise from Diocesan staff, priest around the state, and lay people. It is in PDF format, but if you want to know how the people of Wyoming feel about Bishop Ricken, it will give you a very good idea who he is.

I have met him on several occasions. We just opened a new Catholic School in our community and he was instrumental in getting this done. He was at our school two times this past school year. I also attend the Jackson Hole Eucharistic Marian Conference many times and three times with the Bishop in attendance. He is a very holy and obedient man.

His leaving will leave a big hole in our Diocese, and his shoes will be very big ones to be filled by his successor.
 
Wow, indeed. It’s truly amazing to see such open rebellion against a bishop. One wonders how much prayer and mortification went into the drafting of such a letter.

It’s heartening to note that there are very few signatures to this screed, relative to the number of Catholics in the diocese of Madison. This letter exposes no majority, just the names of a few political cranks with church membership.

Bishop Morlino sowed good seeds here in Helena, which bear good fruit still - especially in vocations to the priesthood and religious life.

God bless this good man.
 
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