Mother-in-law woes

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This is going to be long, I apologize.

My husband was raised Jehovah’s Witness. His father was raised Catholic, but either not well-evangelized or just got “tired” of it prior to the JW days. His mother was raised Baptist prior to the JW and reverted back. His parents divorced when he was in his early teens. When I met my husband his father was non-religious, as was my husband. His mother is very strongly Baptist with some slight anti-Catholic beliefs. Neither parent objected to my Faith, nor did my husband. During our engagement my husband began RCIA, but did not finish. He was baptized, but not confirmed 3 years ago with our 2nd child. In the last couple years his father has reverted to JW. His mother is still a string Baptist. My husband has a lackadaisical religiosity. He also has an on-and-off relationship with his mother. Some days he seems to dislike her, but other days she’s his right hand. If I say anything against her on a day he’s ok with her, then he gets mad at me.

During his youth, my husband was sexually abused by a cousin on his mother’s side. His mother defended the abuser and denied that anything occurred. His niece has also been sexually abused, but by a non-related individual. This niece spends a lot of time with my mother-in-law. She has some attitude problems that seem to be a bit early since she’s just now 13. She’s also the product of a broken home. My MIL watches my kids at least once a week. I am kind of regimented with my kids as far as what I want them exposed to and such. However, my MIL has never really listened to my requests for my children. She fed my 4 month old breast milk only baby animal crackers & thought it was ok - even tho I expressly told her he got only milk & use the same pediatrician she did for her boys. She also cut both of my children’s hair (including my 3 yo little girl) without asking. She takes bubble baths with my 4 year old little boy against my wishes. She’s also watches various shows (including Dancing with the Stars) that I don’t particularly think are suitable for my young children. Due to my husband’s on-and-off relationship with his mom & differing discipline strategy (very little discipline from him), very seldom can I get him to be “on my side”.

Here’s my dilemma: I wrote her a message (I’m terrible at face-to-face confrontations) outlining some requests – no more bubble baths with my son, no haircuts, etc. She replied decently, but things just keep coming up that bother me with my kids and her. My son is very affectionate, to the point of almost giving hickies when he gives kisses. He also kisses everyone all over their bodies (including up & down my legs). Both of my children worship my MIL, even though she seldom spends time with my little girl, but lots of time with my son – to the point of making up stories about her doing things with them that I know someone else did. When they do spend time together she buys them all kinds of things & never disciplines them or tells them no. She feeds them all kinds of junk food and is constantly doing her Baptist evangelization through songs, visits to her church, etc. When they return from her house they are completely different children – poorly behaved: whiny, smart alack, selfish, and disrespectful. I don’t know how much time the niece spends there with my children and influence them.

I do everything I can to negate any negative influences when I’m around my kids, but I work full-time as the breadwinner in the family. However, my children like her better than they like me. They also like my husband better than me. They love my mother (who is definitely on the same page I am & in fact is very concerned about this situation), but of course my MIL still wins more accolades from the kids (and my husband). We go to Mass as a family - minus my husband - with my parents. We pray over meals & before bed. We have Catholic books that we read to the kids. Sometimes my husband does go to Mass with us too, but it isn’t frequent.

Does this MIL situation sound worrisome to you? Anyway, I have no idea what I can do about her (and my husband’s inability or lack of desire to help). Any ideas?

Thank you.

BTW I re-read my message & want to clarify that my husband is my children’s father. It seems kind of ambiguous the way I phrased it.
 
I honestly cannot get over the bubble baths with your son. That seems like a very innappropriate pushing of bounderies.

I’m not sure that is something I’d be able to overlook, and would really consider how much alone time she should have with your children.
 
I agree with Mary Gail. The bubble baths, personality changes in the children when they return, her disregard for your wishes, and her shrugging off her own son’s sexual abuse are all red flags that make me feel sick to my stomach.

I am not a mental health professional, but I would recommend limiting her unsupervised access to your children and counseling for yourself and your husband together as well as for him by himself. He was betrayed by his abuser as well as his mother and he has to work that out. And you two need a third party to mediate your discussions about his mother’s behavior.

I don’t think her problems with you are religious ones as much as psychological ones, meaning that I don’t think her behavior is motivated by a hatred of your Catholic faith. She seems kind of messed up. I will pray for you all.
 
If it were me…I’d have stopped allowing my children over that house a VERY long time ago and I would have figured out a way to make that happen.

This is a serious situation. There is a history of abuse and your MIL ignores your child care decisions and pushes boundaries that are over the limit.

The bubble baths are scary. I don’t even do that with my own daughter…forget my MIL doing that with my son.

I’d suggest counseling for all of you, including the children…but especially for you and your husband. He needs to take control of the situation and recognize it’s very wrong and respect your decision as a mother and his wife. Then take steps to explain to your MIL that you will be cutting ties unless certain things are met.

I would not allow my children alone in that situation, at all.

Start with counseling and be very serious about it. It’s time to put your foot down if you care about your children…I can’t imagine you’d want your children to be tied into a situation that involves more than one person being sexually abused by someone on that side of the family.
 
The safety of your children is at stake here, so this is not the time to be polite or diplomatic. MIL should NEVER be left alone with your child. EVER.
 
While I recognize that the situation I outlined sounds exceedingly bad, I want to make it clear that my MIL is not a bad person who intends to offend me and I know she loves my children and would lay down her life for them. I am deeply concerned about some of the things I mentioned, but I did not express all the good that my MIL has done for my family as well. She is not sexually abusing my children. She doesn’t do things I like many times, but she honestly thinks her way is ok. I did not intend to vilify her. I just want advice on how to discuss things with her and whether these things are within the realm of normal or not.
If it were me…I’d have stopped allowing my children over that house a VERY long time ago and I would have figured out a way to make that happen.
I don’t know how to do that when I can’t get my husband on board. He is disabled (back and severe anxiety) & stays home with the kids while I work. Basically what that means is that when he gets tired of the kids he calls someone to come get them. He’s not about to call my mom or exclude his mom. His relationship with my mom is already rocky & to have her in the middle of it would only make matters worse.I have no control over what he does when I’m at work. We have had discussions & fights about it, but he always seems to take the easy way out, which translates into at least one child going to her house at least once a week. I also think it is very important for my children to have strong family ties to their extended family. I have definitely considered severing their visits with her, but it just hasn’t ever worked out because I’m not in control of them all the time.

My MIL is NOT abusing them - she just doesn’t think the way I do. She (& my husband) think there’s nothing wrong with the bubble baths. I’ve got her word that those will not continue. I’m trying to have an open dialogue with her about my expectations, I do the same with my husband. I need help coming up with more dialogue and realistic solutions to this issue.
It’s time to put your foot down if you care about your children…
Of course I care for my children. Although I’m trying to be charitable, I take offense to the implication that I don’t care for my children enough. I have put my foot down, but short of quitting my job, bringing my kids to work with me, or some other similar impractical solution, I’m stuck. I provide for my children & do everything in my power to protect them. I resent the implication that I’m not doing the best I can. I’m asking for realistic & practical ideas.

I can’t imagine you’d want your children to be tied into a situation that involves more than one person being sexually abused by someone on that side of the family.

Only my husband was abused by a family member who is NOT in contact with the rest of the family any longer. I also think that my MIL finally came to believe my husband’s story in recent years as it was similar to others experience with that same individual. The niece was abused by a babysitter – not a family member.

If I were to remove my children from being tied to a situation involving sexual abuse, I’d have to limit their time with their own father, my husband. The MIL was not involved in the sexual abuse & did not witness it. She just couldn’t believe it at the time – a very common phenomenon in familial sexual abuse situations. It doesn’t make her a bad person.
 
my children like her better than they like me. They also like my husband better than me.
A disturbing thing to hear you say. You are their mother, not their friend.

Your husband seems to have issues, and you may have resentment, perhaps understandably, against him for not supporting your parenting ideas. It is too bad that you did not resolve these issues before you married. I would recommend family counseling with a Christian counselor.
 
There is no reasonable explanation for a grown woman to get nude and take bubble baths with her four yr. old grandson. You know this is true and you are/were uncomfortable about it otherwise you would not have mentioned it. Pay attention to your instincts.

Cutting the hair of your children is way out of line. I would have been livid unless we had agreed to it before hand. Obviously, there was no discussion.

Her own son and her niece were sexually abused. Maybe she’s just in denial. She needs the pediatrician or a psychologist to set her straight re. proper sexual behavior around kids. I cannot believe the bath thing.
 
Bio brain, I don’t think your MIL is a bad person either. It’s a bad situation. The Internet is both a blessing and curse. It enables us to reach so many people. Unfortunately, we aren’t able to hear one another’s inflections or facial expressions that would otherwise temper what we are trying to communicate. I’m sorry for having offended you and I hope that any mistakes I have made in my communication with you in this thread don’t betray the real concern I have for you as a fellow mother and as a sister in Christ.

Your husband’s medical issues are serious ones and I think that you both need counseling in the communication aspect of your marriage. If he won’t go with you, please go alone. Is your husband receiving treatment for his anxiety issues? If he’s never been in counseling for the abuse he suffered as a child, I would recommend that he seeks it. It stands to reason that the trauma he suffered as a child would contribute to his adult anxiety.

Please be assured of my continued prayers.
 
I honestly cannot get over the bubble baths with your son. That seems like a very innappropriate pushing of bounderies.

I’m not sure that is something I’d be able to overlook, and would really consider how much alone time she should have with your children.
I to, can’t get over this.

I be praying for you and your family.

God bless

jesus g
 
The safety of your children is at stake here, so this is not the time to be polite or diplomatic. MIL should NEVER be left alone with your child. EVER.
Absolutely right. This situation is terrifying to me. I feel so nauseous, just based on the info in the OP’s post. Please please get your kids out of this situation immediately. Even if your husband gets angry, your children’s safety is paramount. Please also consider starting family counseling right away.

I come from a family with a history of molestation and incest and some of your concerns, BiologyBrain, mirror the red flags that went up following the molestation of my baby sister. Things were not dealt with properly and they got more tragic as the years went on.

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MOVE THE HELL AWAY FROM THIS WOMAN.

:eek::eek::eek:

She has her hooks into your kids way too deeply. Your husband is weak and your children have already been affected by your MIL.

I am really not kidding. You may say that’s extreme. Your kids and their kids and on down through the generations are going to be affected. Do you really want this pattern to continue?

Sick.
 
There is no reasonable explanation for a grown woman to get nude and take bubble baths with her four yr. old grandson. You know this is true and you are/were uncomfortable about it otherwise you would not have mentioned it. Pay attention to your instincts.

Cutting the hair of your children is way out of line. I would have been livid unless we had agreed to it before hand. Obviously, there was no discussion.

Her own son and her niece were sexually abused. Maybe she’s just in denial. She needs the pediatrician or a psychologist to set her straight re. proper sexual behavior around kids. I cannot believe the bath thing.
I cannot either. It’s different to give a child a bath, grandmas do that sort of thing…but to share a bath is just too much of an invasion of personal space for the child.

4 year old children can start long term memories now. Could you imagine him remembering this event in 10 years? I can’t imagine him not feeling weird about this.
 
Wow…just…wow! What I’m thinking is that if she thinks taking baths with your 4 y/o is ok, then what else is she doing with your children that she thinks is ok? Also, the more you show your disapproval of such situations, the less you may hear of them happening. This woman knows no boundaries. Your children are already suffering, thats why they have ill behaviors when you get them back.

Have you asked your children about what goes on when they’re at grandma’s? Your son may be able to give you some childlike innocence insight about what’s really going on. She may not be sexually abusive, but she’s highly inappropriate and it seems to me your son may already be scarred for life after sharing a bath with his weirdo grandma. This is highly inappropriate, so what other inappropriate things is she doing?

If I were you, I wouldn’t allow unsupervised time with grandma, and BEG your husband to have his mother come over to help him when he’s overwhelmed instead of just sending the kids to her house. At least this way, she’s supervised. The only problem is that your hubby doesn’t see much issue with many of the red flags you have identified. As a person sexually abused himself, his own understanding of boundaries is probably somewhat inaccurate as well. He needs counseling, my guess is that there’s a lot of healing he has yet to do…
 
Hey, BioBrain, sorry to hear about the situation. I had stopped by your blog a short time ago, was wondering how you were.

No real good advice here, but I will pray for you & your family. Maybe to start, a schedule where he calls your mom once, then his mom, and alternates when he needs a break?

FWIW, the kids coming back from grandparents and needing time to adjust back to the regular discipline of home life is fairly common, IMHO. The haircuts and baths, not so much.
 
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