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estesbob
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Since james equates religion with fasism that should no suprise anyone.
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james1441
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oh pleeeeez do show me even one “pro-abortion” statement of mine oh wise one!! oh lord of spelling errors and capitalization!!!
its alright, i forgive you for having preschool reading and comprehension, the purpose of the statement and its meaning should be clear to all but the most uneducated. your soviet style double-talk in order to discredit me though doesnt bother me in the least bit, since everyone else understands precisely what that quote means
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Lance
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What determines when a fetus, zygot, or whatever you want to call it is a human being.
Is it the size? Is Hillary Clinton less of a human than Shaquille O’Neal? I know many of you would say yes but that is wrong, so it’s not size.
Is it location? Say it’s 15 degrees and you are out for a morning jog or walk and hear a 2 year old crying in some bushes. You don’t just keep on your way and say that the baby is not human because it can’t survive where it is. You pick up the baby keep it warm and safe and call the cops. So it’s not location.
Is it the ability to survive without external life support? You need the oxygen system when you in a plane at 30,000 ft. You need life support when you are in surgery and even sometimes when you have been in an accident. You are still human. So it’s not the ability to survive without external life support.
From the moment of conception it is a human. Humans reproduce humans, they don’t make birds, fish, monkeys, dogs, cats or anything else. They are incapable of producing anything other than another human. That is the law of bio-genesis.
Is it the size? Is Hillary Clinton less of a human than Shaquille O’Neal? I know many of you would say yes but that is wrong, so it’s not size.
Is it location? Say it’s 15 degrees and you are out for a morning jog or walk and hear a 2 year old crying in some bushes. You don’t just keep on your way and say that the baby is not human because it can’t survive where it is. You pick up the baby keep it warm and safe and call the cops. So it’s not location.
Is it the ability to survive without external life support? You need the oxygen system when you in a plane at 30,000 ft. You need life support when you are in surgery and even sometimes when you have been in an accident. You are still human. So it’s not the ability to survive without external life support.
From the moment of conception it is a human. Humans reproduce humans, they don’t make birds, fish, monkeys, dogs, cats or anything else. They are incapable of producing anything other than another human. That is the law of bio-genesis.
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bones_IV
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I’ll defend our Lord God anyday thank you.
That’s just stupid! You don’t even know what communism is let alone what fascism and fanaticism is. I think you need to be straightened out. I’m an abortion survivor of Roe v. Wade! You insulted me greatly and deeply cut me. That’s a terrible, terrible thing you said to me. The Devil is afraid of pro-life laws and this article demonstrates my point.
all.org/newsroom_commentary.php
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james1441
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and so will i, that still doesnt explain why i was accused earlier of being pro-abortion despite the fact i never said even one word of anything close to that
this part had nothing to do with the statement above. unfortunately our country is slowly moving towards a movement which adopts the worst aspects of both communism and fascism, thank god it is nowhere as bad as either the reich or mao’s cultural revolution but it could definitely get there sooner than people think. thats the whole point of the quote. he is stating that fascism sneaks into a society by falsely adopting symbols the people hold dear to them , including religous symbols, in order to legitimize itself. if you look for the thread on “jesus camp” another poster showed a link to a page with huge amounts of pictures of hitler at christian ceremonies despite the fact he was no longer one, he simply did this as a way of tricking the people that he was on their side.
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bones_IV
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I’ll answer that if you can tell me how outlawing abortion is linked with fascism.
Here’s the roots of Nazism and Fascism.
Eugenics
The Volkischer and Pan-German Movements
The Occult
German Anti-Semitism
Russian Anti-Semitism
The Wagnerian Bayreuth Cult
The Thurle Society
Another rose by another name is still a rose.
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estesbob
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Well it should suprise no one that your arguments have now degenrated to Hitler analogies. Im outa here.
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Walt_Oliver
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NOTICE:
If you must bicker, please do it privately by PM or email, not on the boards. Thanks for your cooperation.
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If you must bicker, please do it privately by PM or email, not on the boards. Thanks for your cooperation.
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james1441
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where did i say that outlawing abortion is linked with fascism? and in your list you did good research as far as german fascism, but i would add several outside sources such as machavelli, and most importantly the mother of all fascist states, ancient sparta
gee talking about hitler when discussing fascism is now considered taboo or inappropriate? or is it possible that i have insulted dein Führer? regardless your running away from the situation only shows that i have backed you in a corner and your simply avoiding a rational discussion.
but anyways this has gotten too much off topic. i think we all can agree that the major issue with the thread was that what should the rights be of an employee be with that of his employer when he is asked to do something he cannot do. For me if i were that employee i would have simply asked to be allowed to refuse things which i consider moraly repulsive, but if my employer still refused i would have then simply quit.
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Liberalsaved
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You saw living children before you even became pregnant?
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Liberalsaved
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Perhaps…but certainly not before conception.
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Wendy-Kay
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Zygote, Blastocyst, Embryo, Fetus
I saw Wyatt and Ruby while they were still embryos
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bones_IV
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Have you never read the scriptures? Proverbs 31:8 says we should “speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves.”
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hosemonkey
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I must tell you that I find your signature “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross”, extremely offensive. The flag for which I and my fellow veterans shed our blood and the Cross upon which my Savior died are not the representations of Fascism. Facism is represented by the fasces and the swastika, and by the anti-life and pro-death philosophies of modern society. Defend innocent life, don’t search for weasel-words to justify murder of the innocent.
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james1441
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good grief, i just explained what that passage meant and yet you still act like an idiot!! READ THE QUOTE WORD FOR WORD!!! im not going to explain what it means anymore since i have already done that several times and there is no use yelling at a brain-dead ape, and for the 3rd time im being accused of being pro-abortion. would you also like to add cultist to that list? perhaps i smash kittens against rocks? oh how about stealing kids lunch money? please do me a favor and read everything i wrote and if you still disagree with that please try and refute it, point by point. by avoiding my explanations you are just proving me right and correct, which i already am aware of.
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Liberalsaved
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Ah, you see, that isn’t what I said.
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Liberalsaved
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They. don’t. even. exist. Just because a couple is thinking about having children, doesn’t give those possible future children a voice yet if they do not even exist in any way. I’m sorry, but that falls into the realm of fanaticism in the face of common sense. It’s one thing to argue that killing a developing baby is murder. It’s another thing to argue that a baby that HAS NOT EVEN BEEN CONCEIVED has rights. It’s not even an existant person. Where do we go from there? If you kill a woman you’re convicted of two counts of murder, just in case she ever had a kid? What if you stop early? Did you kill the child by not completing copulation?
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Bella3502
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Most Catholics do NOT follow these guidelines. Most Catholics disagree with them.
This is the real world.
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rlg94086
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If that’s true, then most Catholics are in a state of mortal sin. That’s sad.
They aren’t guidelines, any more than not killing or not stealing could be considered guidelines. Christ said “go and sin no more” not “I recommend you don’t do the following things.”
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hosemonkey
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I was commenting on your offensive signature, regocnizing that you did not have the wit to coin it yourself, borrowing it from a larger mind. But you obviously subscribe to it’s purile philosophy. I am neither an idiot nor an ape. You sir, are an arrogant twit and need to develop a little respect. Please read my objection again and see if you can glimpse my meaning.
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