Mother Mary

[adstrinity]

ADSTRINITY

That is the distinctive we have. The book is called the Word of God.
That cannot be equalled or lessoned by any man. It is a wonderful Holy book that testifies of Jesus. Thanks to God we have it.

Thanks for the good points,
John

You are welcome for the good points.

I will also add this, Jesus is called The Word of God. Jesus, Son of Mary, both who are human. This Word of God, who started the Papacy also cannot be equalled or lessoned by any man. The Church, which can be traced back to Jesus has been testifying about Jesus for the past 2000 years. Thanks be to God we have the Church who gave us the Bible. Thanks be to God that we have the Bible so that we have another avenue to learn about God.

I understand we will never agree to this as long as one of us is Catholic and one of us is Protestant, but, where a Protestant will rely on the Bible to learn about Jesus, Catholics will always rely on both the Church and the Bible to learn about Jesus.

 

[Bill_Pick]

I have seen people kiss the feet of a sacred heart statue as a sign of reverance. (In a hispanic community), and I have seen people kiss the cruicifix as a sign of veneration at Good Friday, and I have seen people cry while praying. Usually that has been related to a serious event that happened, such as a death of a loved one.

Nonoe of what you are describing can automatically be called worship.

So, if someone in your church just lost a loved one, and was crying while holding a picture of that person, that would be considered idolatry and be asked to leave?

It would be the same thing that you saw in the Catholic church except the person would be holding a picture instead of a statue.

WOW I must be in a big probmen I kissed my Mother picture and kiss her grave one time,does that mean I may be going to hell and I was crying . I was with a Priest that was crying 6 monther after his mother was put in her grave was that worship he was that close to his Mother

 

[adstrinity]

Let me say, I have seen somebody BEFORE THE START OF A DAILY MASS years ago, possibly with a Rosary in hand (both hands clasped), crawl/shuffle/inch her way down the center aisle to the altar. Again, this was before the start of Mass and a daily Mass at that. I believe I saw this either at St. Mary Nativity (Joliet, IL) or St. George (Tinley Park, IL) or both. It was so long ago and I don’t know if that woman (or women, even) were regulars.

BUT, NEVER, have I seen this DURING a Mass.

Guess what else I saw just yesterday here at St. Joeseph’s in Krebs, OK? Stations of the Cross. Jesus dies on the Cross. Priest prostrated himeslf in the center aisle. Didn’t crawl, not during a Mass, either.

 

[twopekinguys]

I couldn’t have said it better myself.

 

[Zooey]

…and how did people pray the Rosary, dragging it on the floor, and on their hands and knees?

:wink:Abnormally short arms?

If you saw someone physically committing adultery in your church, you would not throw them out??

:bigyikes:Was this in the same church with all the people crawling on their hands & knees???:frighten:Good grief!! 63 years old next month & I have missed all this by not going to…what church was this??
Oh, gee, that’s right. Proallen refuses to tell us what church…
Proallem:

Why is idolotry any different?

It rarely frightens the horses.:compcoff: (She said.:curtsey: Sipping her sweet tea).

 

[adstrinity]

:wink:Abnormally short arms?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :snort:

It rarely frightens the horses.:compcoff:

FRAU BLUCHER!

 

[twopekinguys]

:wink:Abnormally short arms?

Wouldn’t short arms keep the rosary off the floor? Oh wait, that’s right…Now I remember, they were crawling…

I wonder what’s next…spiking the holy water fonts?

 

[roselily]

I have thought that all Catholics and Protestants all same, all the Christians, and brothers sisters in Christ, there only one Father in Heaven, and no matter Catholic Church or Protestant Church or any Christians Church all same, I hope not any Protestant brothers sisters be offended, and I have asked myself whether anything I might have done or said-

I have not hurt others, have I?

 

[Zooey]

I have thought that all Catholics and Protestants all same, all the Christians, and brothers sisters in Christ, there only one Father in Heaven, and no matter Catholic Church or Protestant Church or any Christians Church all same, I hope not any Protestant brothers sisters be offended, and I have asked myself whether anything I might have done or said-

I have not hurt others, have I?

Certainly not. You are a dear, dear person. :hug3:
Bless you, we should all learn from you.:curtsey:

 

[peary]

I have a friend that was on a missions trip in Chile South America. When they came back they told me that they have a huge statue of Mary in the center of town and people come from all over to kneel beside it and pray to it. I know that we should honor Mary, but does any other Catholic think that sometimes some may take it too far? I’m not one that pray’s to Mary or any saints, but I can understand when someone say’s the rosary or say’s a prayer to a saint in time of need. Even a short prayer to Mary, just not everday or five times a day. And ther are many that buy statues of only Mary for the house and there is no Christ anywhere in their home. Wouldn’t most people want to put Christ before anything else?. It just seems like things like this bring a bad name to a lot of Catholics. I would like to hear peoples opinion on this.

It is obvious that Mary answered a prayer need of the entire town at one time which is why the people are honoring her in that way. Also, She is Mother of All Christians and Mother of the Church. So, are you saying that your friend was disturbed by a statue of Mary in the middle of a town? You seem to be forgetting that the Church is structured on the eternal Davidic Kingdom whose roots are firmly planted in the Old Testament as well as New Testament. The Divine King is present, and His mother the Queen is at his right side. I actually know of no home where there is only a statue of Mary. If you look around, you will probably find a Crucifix hanging very prominently in the home.

 

[Zooey]

I have a friend that was on a missions trip in Chile South America. When they came back they told me that they have a huge statue of Mary in the center of town and people come from all over to kneel beside it and pray to it.

I have been on these fora since 2005…There have been more posts about odd goings-on in Chile (religiously speaking) than in all the rest of the world combined.
Maybe they have all ready started this:

I wonder what’s next…spiking the holy water fonts?

 

[peary]

sounds like 2000 year of reading between the lines to me… Johns purpose for writing this was to prove Christs divinity not Mary’s.

The purpose of John’s writing this was to allow the reader to make the connection between the KING and His Mother in the eternal Davidic Kingdom and the king and his mother in the Davidic Kingdom of the Old Testament. One of the responsibilities that the queen mother had was to intercede for the people. Here, Mary does the same thing for those at the Wedding Feast.

 

[cruisin]

The purpose of John’s writing this was to allow the reader to make the connection between the KING and His Mother in the eternal Davidic Kingdom and the king and his mother in the Davidic Kingdom of the Old Testament. One of the responsibilities that the queen mother had was to intercede for the people. Here, Mary does the same thing for those at the Wedding Feast.

Proof is in the pudding… John tells the reader why he wrote this letter… you can not prove your supposition, with Johns words… only by your desired interpretation…can one make this absurd leap to queen.

Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Hmmm… sounds like reading between the lines to me…

 

[T_More]

Proof is in the pudding… John tells the reader why he wrote this letter… you can not prove your supposition, with Johns words… only by your desired interpretation…can one make this absurd leap to queen.

Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Hmmm… sounds like reading between the lines to me…

Hmmm…that doesn’t disprove this at all.

 

[T_More]

only by your desired interpretation…can one make this absurd leap to queen.

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BTW, why else would someone wear a crown as shown in Revelation 12?

 

[roselily]

Certainly not. You are a dear, dear person. :hug3:
Bless you, we should all learn from you.:curtsey:

:hug1:Zooey, you are my dear sister in Christ!
I must learn from you, because you are a dearest beautiful strong joyful Christian sister. And that we all have different trials in life, and still you are rejoice!

Although I have read The Letter of Paul to the Philippians in Holy Bible, Paul have written again and again :rejoice in the lord Rejoice, still I cry sometimes.

I will learn to be joyful just like you, because we are not only blessed by God in Him, even the suffering is a blessing to grant us suffering for him. Sufferings is a blessing also!

Because the life in this world not that important. and when Christ coming, there will be a new world and eternal happiness life.

May God bless beloved brothers sisters in Christ!

 

[cruisin]

Hmmm…that doesn’t disprove this at all.

Then prove in Johns words, That his intent was to show Mary as queen in this passage.

you can’t within a reasonable doubt. It is all based on personal interpretation.

One of the rules of understanding what is written, in any text, is to understand why it was written. John Clearly gives his purpose for the Letter in chapter twenty.

but you can believe what you want.

 

[cruisin]

BTW, why else would someone wear a crown as shown in Revelation 12?

Just because it looks like a duck doesn’t mean it’s a duck.

If this was Mary, why didn’t John call her by name. wouldn’t he have recognized her?

To get tangled up in the imagery of revelations can really take one off track to the purpose again.

But again your entitled to your opinion. I just don’t see it. Just like people seeing mirages in the desert when one isn’t there, people see thing because they want it bad enough, and nothing going to stop them.

 

[adstrinity]

Just because it looks like a duck doesn’t mean it’s a duck.

If this was Mary, why didn’t John call her by name. wouldn’t he have recognized her?

To get tangled up in the imagery of revelations can really take one off track to the purpose again.

But again your entitled to your opinion. I just don’t see it. Just like people seeing mirages in the desert when one isn’t there, people see thing because they want it bad enough, and nothing going to stop them.

Revelation.

Jesus never called His Mother by Her name, either… Jesus always called Her by the title of “Woman”. St. John says that he sees a Woman clothed with the sun…and 12 stars…hmmmm…whom, after Her Son is still taken up to Heaven, is still being attacked by the devil. Sounds like Our Lady to me…(of course, one could also read Israel or the Church in this. )

 

[cruisin]

Revelation.

Jesus never called His Mother by Her name, either… Jesus always called Her by the title of “Woman”. St. John says that he sees a Woman clothed with the sun…and 12 stars…hmmmm…whom, after Her Son is still taken up to Heaven, is still being attacked by the devil. Sounds like Our Lady to me…(of course, one could also read Israel or the Church in this. )

I don’t know if I would go as far as saying Jesus never… when he was a little boy are you saying he never called her Mother… We have only one instance of direct interaction recorded between them. to make that supposition is a stretch.

I think one must be careful. sometimes we see things in the text because it matches our world view. It sounds like your prime interpretation is purely about Mary.

I doubt it. I can see how one could make that assumption, but for me it’s a stretch.

but again I’m ok with that.

And I doubt I can say anything that would convince you other wise, so I’m not going to try.