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I have heard many protestants say that Mary is not the “Mother of God”. They claim that it is a label that exalts her more than she should be. So, if Mary is not the Mother of God, than you deny that Jesus is God, correct?
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I often wonder why they miss the verse in Luke 1:43 when Elizabeth said, “How could this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” She said that under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Is Elizabeth, inspired by the Holy Spirit, exalting Mary more than she should be? It is also worth noting that Elizabeth did not merely say, “…the mother of my Saviour…” but "mother of my Lord, which more than anything else should refute those who say Mary is only the mother of Jesus’ human nature.
 
Gods mercy and love are the wonder of wonders. It is this mercy and love which drew forth son from His eternal dwelling in the Father, to this sinful world, that He might redeem that which had fallen. God, in His divine nature is incorruptible and therefore incapable of being touched by sin. It was for this reason that the Eternal Wisdom created a vessel through which His incorruptible nature could take on human flesh. This vessel itself had to be free from all sin, for if even the slightest hint of sin was in her, the moment the divine nature entered into her she would have died. For inevitably that all powerful incorrutp nature would have, by its very essence, repelled sin with such force as to destroy the vessel which contained sin. For this very reason God created the Immaculate Conception. Thus at her proper age the son of the most High entered into her through the power of the Holy Spirit, and through her He took on flesh, so as to be able to take on the sins of the world, from beginning to end, and suffer Himself as payment for those sins.
We honor the most perfect of Gods creation, through whom our salvation came into the world. In paying honor to her we give God the greatest glory. For what human does not enjoy it when someone recognizes the great achievements he has done or made.
 
Hi Blessedrose, many protestants understand the catholic meaning to mean, the creator or origiin of God.

They are correct that catholics ( maybe not all ) do raise mary up too high to the level that looks like false worship.

Mary being Jewish would rebuke the church for how they have raised her up too high.

No honest Jewish person, would be comfortable with how high you have raised up Mary.
 
Daniel Marsh:
Mary being Jewish would rebuke the church for how they have raised her up too high.
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Have you been appointed her spokesperson?

She has not said anything like this in any of her reported apparitions.
 
Daniel Marsh:
Hi Blessedrose, many protestants understand the catholic meaning to mean, the creator or origiin of God.

They are correct that catholics ( maybe not all ) do raise mary up too high to the level that looks like false worship.

Mary being Jewish would rebuke the church for how they have raised her up too high.

No honest Jewish person, would be comfortable with how high you have raised up Mary.
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The Jewish people are uncomfortable with how high we’ve raised the “Blessed Fruit of her womb, Jesus” as well.
Mary is the “Ark of God”. 2 Sam 6.9 > Lk.1.43. King Solomon built a Temple for the “Ark”.2 Sam 7.2. Joshua and the elders of Israel prostrated themselves in front of the “Ark”. Joshua 7. 6. The "Wise Men prostrated themselves in front of the “Ark” as well. Mat. 2.11. You and your “correct” protestant friends would be “Wise” to show the same honor towards “Your Mother”. John 19.27
 
Daniel Marsh:
Hi Blessedrose, many protestants understand the catholic meaning to mean, the creator or origiin of God.

They are correct that catholics ( maybe not all ) do raise mary up too high to the level that looks like false worship.

Mary being Jewish would rebuke the church for how they have raised her up too high.

No honest Jewish person, would be comfortable with how high you have raised up Mary.
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Perhaps you must be “born again” to truly understand the role that God created for Mary in humanity’s salvation. Maybe it would be helpful if you set aside your personal angst and possible prejudices to humbly ask the Lord, how would you, Lord Jesus, like me to remember your Blessed mother?

This would make you a humble christian with a child-like faith, therefore more pleasing to God. In that state, you will no doubt discover the truth about God and his role for Mary in our lives.

From a natural point of view, protestants can’t “make sense” out of Mary, but from a supernatural point of view (born again?) things fall into place a lot easier.

A Joyous Christmas and Happy New Year,
Brenda
 
Daniel Marsh:
They are correct that catholics ( maybe not all ) do raise mary up too high to the level that looks like false worship.
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Don’t you think that this a rather presumptuous thing to assume about people. It is just my opinion to maybe try to understand what it is you are assuming before making accusations like this.

I am sure you will find more on this subject if you just search the forum.

And it is in my humble opinion that protestants tend to be more intent on presuming what other Christians are doing. Remember if you are pointing your finger at one person there are three other fingers pointing at yourself. And the last time I checked it was a sin to be presumptuous.
 
This is the situation. God was uncreated; this is one of the many things differs us from him in Theosis.

So on one level you cannot say Mary was the Mother of God because the True God aspect of Jesus was already in existence. Mary is the Most Holy Theotokis – she is the God bearer, she is the Arc of The New Covenant, she is the Gate by which he passes alone but she did not give birth to God as my wife gave birth to my son.

She did however give birth to the True Man aspect giving Jesus his lineage to David.

So on one level it is good and OK to say Mary was the Mother of God and in another sense it is OK to say Mary was Not the Mother of God.

In the majority of cases if you ask a protestant why they are saying such a thing you will find out that you agree with the important theology of the matter and simply disagree on the label.

We should not bicker over labels if the bottle says Catsup or Ketchup it is of little matter.
 
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Shibboleth:
This is the situation. God was uncreated; this is one of the many things differs us from him in Theosis.

So on one level you cannot say Mary was the Mother of God because the True God aspect of Jesus was already in existence. Mary is the Most Holy Theotokis – she is the God bearer, she is the Arc of The New Covenant, she is the Gate by which he passes alone but she did not give birth to God as my wife gave birth to my son.

She did however give birth to the True Man aspect giving Jesus his lineage to David.

So on one level it is good and OK to say Mary was the Mother of God and in another sense it is OK to say Mary was Not the Mother of God.

In the majority of cases if you ask a protestant why they are saying such a thing you will find out that you agree with the important theology of the matter and simply disagree on the label.

We should not bicker over labels if the bottle says Catsup or Ketchup it is of little matter.
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Luke 1.43: “And why is this granted me, the the mother of my LORD should come to me?”. Sounds pretty plain and straightforward to me. What you’re proposing is what the Church calls heresy. You can’t seperate Jesus’ humanity from His divinity. Otherwise the verse would say “And why is it granted to me, that the mother of my Lord’s human nature should come to me?”. Jesus Christ is Lord on all levels.
 
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MonicaC:
Don’t you think that this a rather presumptuous thing to assume about people. It is just my opinion to maybe try to understand what it is you are assuming before making accusations like this.

I am sure you will find more on this subject if you just search the forum.

And it is in my humble opinion that protestants tend to be more intent on presuming what other Christians are doing. Remember if you are pointing your finger at one person there are three other fingers pointing at yourself. And the last time I checked it was a sin to be presumptuous.
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In your great humility, you presume protestants are presumptuous, which “in my humble opinion” is the definition of presumption. Please refer to post # 6, where I present solid, biblical evidence as to the falsity of Daniel Marsh’s claims.
Don’t forget to keep the “threadkiller” in your prayers.
 
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seabird3579:
Perhaps you must be “born again” to truly understand the role that God created for Mary in humanity’s salvation. Maybe it would be helpful if you set aside your personal angst and possible prejudices to humbly ask the Lord, how would you, Lord Jesus, like me to remember your Blessed mother?

This would make you a humble christian with a child-like faith, therefore more pleasing to God. In that state, you will no doubt discover the truth about God and his role for Mary in our lives.

From a natural point of view, protestants can’t “make sense” out of Mary, but from a supernatural point of view (born again?) things fall into place a lot easier.

A Joyous Christmas and Happy New Year,
Brenda
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Perhaps we should use correct terms. To be “born again” is to be baptized. Most protestants are " “born again”.
 
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threadkiller:
In your great humility, you presume protestants are presumptuous, which “in my humble opinion” is the definition of presumption. Please refer to post # 6, where I present solid, biblical evidence as to the falsity of Daniel Marsh’s claims.
Don’t forget to keep the “threadkiller” in your prayers.
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You are very right i really need to re-read my post before posting. I was not accusing all protestants I just found myself very upset with the accusations on Marian worship by some who do little look and see what it is Catholics are doing, before assuming they know.

Again I apoligize for my poor wording. :o

And you too please pray for me.

Monica
 
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MonicaC:
You are very right i really need to re-read my post before posting. I was not accusing all protestants I just found myself very upset with the accusations on Marian worship by some who do little look and see what it is Catholics are doing, before assuming they know.

Again I apoligize for my poor wording. :o

And you too please pray for me.

Monica
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May God bless your sweet heart. 👍
 
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threadkiller:
May God bless your sweet heart. 👍
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Mary most Virgin and most holy gave birth to the human nature of Chirst which is God = Mother of God.
 
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threadkiller:
Perhaps we should use correct terms. To be “born again” is to be baptized. Most protestants are " “born again”.
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So…you’re saying most protestants are baptised. hhmmm…All Catholics are baptised. 😃
 
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StMarkEofE:
Mary most Virgin and most holy gave birth to the human nature of Chirst which is God = Mother of God.
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Mary gave birth to Christ who is God. Therefore Mary is the Mother of God.
 
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seabird3579:
So…you’re saying most protestants are baptised. hhmmm…All Catholics are baptised. 😃
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Exactly!
All PROTESTants are in protest against the Holy Catholic Church. Not all catholics are in protest against the Church. Only many. 😉
 
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blessedrosary:
I have heard many protestants say that Mary is not the “Mother of God”. They claim that it is a label that exalts her more than she should be. So, if Mary is not the Mother of God, than you deny that Jesus is God, correct?
Please explain.
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Huh?
Of course shes the Mother of God. Excuse my refrences but, I’m pretty sure somewhere in the Bible it even mentions her as such. Right? Oh quick question. By how is denying Mary as the mother of God denying Jesus being God. I’m just not quite seeing the connection.
 
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threadkiller:
Luke 1.43: “And why is this granted me, the the mother of my LORD should come to me?”. Sounds pretty plain and straightforward to me. What you’re proposing is what the Church calls heresy. You can’t seperate Jesus’ humanity from His divinity. Otherwise the verse would say “And why is it granted to me, that the mother of my Lord’s human nature should come to me?”. Jesus Christ is Lord on all levels.
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Why isn’t the word mother capitalized like the word Lord is? For her to be the mother of God she would have to be sinless. In Luke 1:46, 47 it says Mary spoke these words. “My soul doth magnify the Lord and my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior”. She aknowledges that she needs a savior. That means she is not sinless. She is the mother of the human Jesus. She would have to be a spirit to be the mother of God. She isn’t mentioned as being part of the Trinity. God is a spirit. God is the Father of the spirit that resides in the body of Jesus that was placed there by the holy apirit.
 
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