Mother Teresa is set to be canonized by Pope Francis on Sunday

[Cheiron]

ncregister.com/daily-news/the-miracles-that-made-mother-teresa/

I’m afraid we’re at an impasse, because I read that doctors declared it was not a miracle. Let’s agree to disagree.

Well, remember you are speaking to Catholics about a most revered fellow Catholic.
I don’t ever recall a British tabloid being a credible source for Catholic information or any info, frankly.

You don’t like her, fine. Whatever. But we Catholics are rejoicing over this. Let us have it.

I know I’m speaking to Catholics. I also know that the Catholic Church includes scientists and sceptics in its ranks who asked profound questions and expanded our understanding of reality. In that same spirit I ask you to consider whether the first miracle of Mother Teresa was actually a miracle. Because the damage to the Church is very great if it isn’t.

 

[pianistclare]

I’m afraid we’re at an impasse, because I read that doctors declared it was not a miracle. Let’s agree to disagree.

I know I’m speaking to Catholics. I also know that the Catholic Church includes scientists and sceptics in its ranks who asked profound questions and expanded our understanding of reality. In that same spirit I ask you to consider whether the first miracle of Mother Teresa was actually a miracle. Because the damage to the Church is very great if it isn’t.

And I’m saying I DO believe it’s true miracle.
I’m also saying that in my viewpoint, it hardly matters anyway.
She was the most faithful example of living the Gospel in my lifetime.
I think she well deserves her canonization. Miracle or not.

 

[Irishmom2]

Because the damage to the Church is very great if it isn’t.

No, it’s not.
As you said earlier, I think we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[graciew]

I know I’m speaking to Catholics. I also know that the Catholic Church includes scientists and sceptics in its ranks who asked profound questions and expanded our understanding of reality. In that same spirit I ask you to consider whether the first miracle of Mother Teresa was actually a miracle. Because the damage to the Church is very great if it isn’t.

Cheiron,if you know all that why would you insist and precisely with the unarguable Mother Teresa?
I bet that people who do not know what a Pope is do know Mother Teresa with admiration…
This link may help as far as the miracle and also that she was so much known and respected all over.
She was really a " heavy weight" ,Cheiron.

m.ncregister.com/daily-news/the-miracles-that-made-mother-teresa/#.V8o7T6VlnqA

 

[BiffRuffle]

I’m curious (an apologetic if this has been covered elsewhere): Why is there so much animosity towards soon-to-be Saint Teresa of Calcutta? If I recall, St. Pope John XXIII only had one miracle confirmed to his intercession, yet there was no uproar about his canonization. I just don’t understand why there is so much negativity directed towards her. Well, I guess I do - our modern culture hates the Catholic Church and what She stands for… but still, it seems a little bizarre, yes?

 

[graciew]

I’m curious (an apologetic if this has been covered elsewhere): Why is there so much animosity towards soon-to-be Saint Teresa of Calcutta? If I recall, St. Pope John XXIII only had one miracle confirmed to his intercession, yet there was no uproar about his canonization. I just don’t understand why there is so much negativity directed towards her. Well, I guess I do - our modern culture hates the Catholic Church and what She stands for… but still, it seems a little bizarre, yes?

Can I be frank? I have heard no complaint about her. Ever. And I do not live in a bubble.
I bet many persons have no idea who a Pope is,but say " Mother Teresa" and and you will get a " Yes! Mother Teresa !" and respect and admiration.

Do not believe she is a Saint? Ok. Their choice.
" Lines " will be less " clogged " when we " call" for intercession.
Then do not come and tell us we did not let you know!

 

[eamonnroma]

Mother Teresa’s first miracle was completely fake. The women who was supposedly healed by Mother Teresa, received medicines from doctors. This is well documented. I’m sure there are Catholics who will look with mixed feelings at this canonization.

Absolutely. The truth is probably not as saintly as it seems. For instance:

newstatesman.com/politics/human-rights/2014/04/squalid-truth-behind-legacy-mother-teresa

washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/02/25/why-to-many-critics-mother-teresa-is-still-no-saint/

 

[Rosebud77]

Mother Teresa’s first miracle was completely fake. The women who was supposedly healed by Mother Teresa, received medicines from doctors. This is well documented.** I’m sure there are Catholics who will look with mixed feelings at this canonization./**QUOTE]

 

[Rosebud77]

I agree that the Mother Teresa’s moral character is a completely separate question. Whether she did any miracles however, is important in becoming a saint. I know too little of her second miracle to judge that particular miracle, but I do know that the first one is false.

Sure. telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/1443320/Medicine-cured-miracle-woman-not-Mother-Teresa-say-doctors.html

And the Vatican authorities ignored him. That was a big mistake, because everyone can easily google and check the story of the ‘miracle’. Monica Besra visited a doctor and received medication. That’s the truth.

 

[qui_est_ce]

I’m afraid we’re at an impasse, because I read that doctors declared it was not a miracle. Let’s agree to disagree.

I know I’m speaking to Catholics. I also know that the Catholic Church includes scientists and sceptics in its ranks who asked profound questions and expanded our understanding of reality. In that same spirit I ask you to consider whether the first miracle of Mother Teresa was actually a miracle. Because the damage to the Church is very great if it isn’t.

I guess you know more than the team of medical experts. From my earlier post:

**A board of medical specialists worked with the Congregation for the Causes of Saints to study the alleged miracle. After assessing the records and interviewing the medical staff involved, the committee determined that the healing was medically inexplicable. **

 

[Cheiron]

I’m curious (an apologetic if this has been covered elsewhere): Why is there so much animosity towards soon-to-be Saint Teresa of Calcutta? If I recall, St. Pope John XXIII only had one miracle confirmed to his intercession, yet there was no uproar about his canonization. I just don’t understand why there is so much negativity directed towards her. Well, I guess I do - our modern culture hates the Catholic Church and what She stands for… but still, it seems a little bizarre, yes?

The negativity stems mainly from the very poor conditions in Mother Teresa’s houses. She could have used the money she received to build hospitals and really make a difference, but she didn’t. The quality of medical care in her Home for the Dying is really, really poor.

Then there is her involvement with bad people like Charles Keating. Charles Keating was convicted of fraud, racketeering and conspiracy. Mother Teresa asked the judge to be lenient, because Keating had donated more than a million to her charity. The authorities asked Mother Teresa to pay back the money that Keating had stolen. She never replied.

She also preached a different gospel, depending on her audience. She campaigned against divorce in Ireland, yet she also supported Diana’s divorce from prince Charles.

I guess you know more than the team of medical experts. From my earlier post:

I read that, but I don’t know how to incorporate a quote within a quote into my own reply. The link to the British newspaper I gave earlier included a response by a doctor who treated Monica Besra. He explicitly said there was no miracle. So either the newspaper is wrong, the doctors changed their story or the committee is wrong.

 

[simple_soul]

The negativity stems mainly from the very poor conditions in Mother Teresa’s houses. She could have used the money she received to build hospitals and really make a difference, but she didn’t. The quality of medical care in her Home for the Dying is really, really poor.

Then there is her involvement with bad people like Charles Keating. Charles Keating was convicted of fraud, racketeering and conspiracy. Mother Teresa asked the judge to be lenient, because Keating had donated more than a million to her charity. The authorities asked Mother Teresa to pay back the money that Keating had stolen. She never replied.

She also preached a different gospel, depending on her audience. She campaigned against divorce in Ireland, yet she also supported Diana’s divorce from prince Charles.

I read that, but I don’t know how to incorporate a quote within a quote into my own reply. The link to the British newspaper I gave earlier included a response by a doctor who treated Monica Besra. He explicitly said there was no miracle. So either the newspaper is wrong, the doctors changed their story or the committee is wrong.

I have not read all the links in every ones posts but this aurgument seems to be redundant to me. Just some food for thought, I believe science and miricals kind of go hand-in-hand. The fact that we understand the science of medicine like we do and that it can cure people the way it does to me is a mirical in and of itself.

 

[Robert_Bay]

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[gilliam]

A lot of people sitting at computers or writing columns for news papers think they are all knowing and don’t know anything. Here is a series of Tweets from Fr. James Martin, (a liberal by the way) this morning that pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter:

One more story about how awful #MotherTeresa was and I’ll lose it. Live and work with the poor for your entire life. Then file your story.

#MotherTeresa never took money from Duvalier. She never cozied up to Enver Hoxha. Her critics keep repeating these charges.

Others say #MotherTeresa should have opened full-fledged hospitals. That wasn’t her ministry. Like saying why didn’t Thomas Aquinas do that?

Others say she promoted suffering. Baloney. She alleviated it. And she invited those who were suffering and dying into union with Christ.

And she did all this, for her last 50 years, with a dry prayer life. So: Lives simply, serves the poor, trusts in a God she can’t feel.

Sounds like a saint to me. If you still don’t believe in her sanctity, work, as I did, with the Missionaries of Charity. Then you’ll get it.

Was she perfect? No. No saint, from St. Peter on, was. She could be sharp with her sisters. Holiness always makes its home in humanity.

#MotherTeresa will canonized for good reason. For the best reason: Because she lived a life of outstanding holiness. Go and do likewise.

twitter.com/JamesMartinSJ

Amen!

 

[Cheiron]

MODERATOR NOTICE

No attacks upon soon to be St. Teresa. If you wish to discuss any controversies surrounding her, you may do so here but you must be charitable and kind at all times. If you are not, you will first receive infractions and if you persist your account will be closed.

There is controversy about the quality of the medical care she gave to sick people and there’s controversy surrounding her first miracle. How can one discuss that without being uncharitable?

That’s why I’ll refrain from posting in this topic from now on.

 

[JackVk]

A lot of people sitting at computers or writing columns for news papers think they are all knowing and don’t know anything. Here is a series of Tweets from Fr. James Martin, (a liberal by the way) this morning that pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter:

One more story about how awful #MotherTeresa was and I’ll lose it. Live and work with the poor for your entire life. Then file your story.

#MotherTeresa never took money from Duvalier. She never cozied up to Enver Hoxha. Her critics keep repeating these charges.

Others say #MotherTeresa should have opened full-fledged hospitals. That wasn’t her ministry. Like saying why didn’t Thomas Aquinas do that?

Others say she promoted suffering. Baloney. She alleviated it. And she invited those who were suffering and dying into union with Christ.

And she did all this, for her last 50 years, with a dry prayer life. So: Lives simply, serves the poor, trusts in a God she can’t feel.

Sounds like a saint to me. If you still don’t believe in her sanctity, work, as I did, with the Missionaries of Charity. Then you’ll get it.

Was she perfect? No. No saint, from St. Peter on, was. She could be sharp with her sisters. Holiness always makes its home in humanity.

#MotherTeresa will canonized for good reason. For the best reason: Because she lived a life of outstanding holiness. Go and do likewise.

twitter.com/JamesMartinSJ

Amen!

Look at the Catholic League website. Bill Donahue absolutely destroys Hitchens, et al.

 

[JackVk]

I’m curious (an apologetic if this has been covered elsewhere): Why is there so much animosity towards soon-to-be Saint Teresa of Calcutta? If I recall, St. Pope John XXIII only had one miracle confirmed to his intercession, yet there was no uproar about his canonization. I just don’t understand why there is so much negativity directed towards her. Well, I guess I do - our modern culture hates the Catholic Church and what She stands for… but still, it seems a little bizarre, yes?

Because atheists like the late Christopher Hitchens can’t stand the fact that Mother Teresa, a religious woman acting voluntarily, succeeded where their Marxist ideologies failed miserably, in helping and improving the lives of the poor. Such an indictment makes people salty, lo and behold.

 

[Irishmom2]

Because atheists like the late Christopher Hitchens can’t stand the fact that Mother Teresa, a religious woman acting voluntarily, succeeded where their Marxist ideologies failed miserably, in helping and improving the lives of the poor. Such an indictment makes people salty, lo and behold.

I think this is a good point.

And some people don’t like to see anyone else do what they aren’t actually doing themself.

Or are jealous of someone getting attention for the good they do, when they don’t get any notice for what they do. (Even when they are out telling everyone the good they do all the time.)