Motu Propio Released

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Just not the one everyone has been expecting…

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This one reverses a JPII decision regarding papal elections.

B16 has re-established that to be elected pope, you must have a 2/3rds majority of voting cardinals.

In 1996, JPII had decreed that if no one had been elected after 21 ballots that the cardinals could decide to let a simple majority decide the election.
 
frommi said:
Well…not really…it was a motu propio that the pope released this morning.
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perhaps, but everyone will think it is the one we’ve all been waiting for, you know, the TLM one?😃
 
TraditionalCath said:
perhaps, but everyone will think it is the one we’ve all been waiting for, you know, the TLM one?😃
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Which is what makes the headline so good and effective, as it is still quite accurate while playing on pre-expected notions. Great marketing and publicity… it catches your attention and draw you in - just like a good headline should!
 
Now, as to the topic at hand, I think that this is a good thing. I would also bring back election by proclamation as a potential option. Though perhaps that is unnecessary with an expected 2/3 vote.

Now, has Benedict done anything to straighten out the incongruity with the official number of cardinal electors allowed and the real number alive which used to exist after every consistory with new cardinals appointed by John Paul II?
 
frommi said:
True…but not all of us are waiting for that one…I’m in the “not waiting” crowd.
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Nor am I…I do not lay awake at night wondering about that. There are more important things on my mind.
 
chicago said:
Now, as to the topic at hand, I think that this is a good thing. I would also bring back election by proclamation as a potential option. Though perhaps that is unnecessary with an expected 2/3 vote.

Now, has Benedict done anything to straighten out the incongruity with the official number of cardinal electors allowed and the real number alive which used to exist after every consistory with new cardinals appointed by John Paul II?
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From what I can recall hearing, word on the street is that B16 will be more apt to have smaller consistories more often in order to keep the number of papal electors at the number prescribed in canon law.
 
Is anyone curious about the timing of this, in terms of our Pope longevity?
 
Tom317 said:
Is anyone curious about the timing of this, in terms of our Pope longevity?
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No. I just think that he believes that the new system had it flaws and the traditional one better stood the test of time. He probably also received some pressures from those who worried about the playing of politics where a minority of superelectors could ultimately affect the outcome.
 
Tom317 said:
Is anyone curious about the timing of this, in terms of our Pope longevity?
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Also…it sounds like a lot of cardinals tried to convince JPII that this was a bad idea in the first place and he didn’t listen.

It seems unlikely we’ll have a conclave go that many votes anytime soon.

Then again…if you believe the stuff on the ground…it took some serious conversation to get B16 over the hump and elected…if it hadn’t happened on the third ballot…it might have taken some time.
 
Dear Brothers And Sisters in Christ:

I than Our Good Lord for having given the wisdom to our Pontiff in releasing the motu propio and allowing the Tridentine Rite of the Mass to be celebrated for many of us who are Traditional and Love that celebration.

I just hope that the clergy will take the time to instruct the faithful
on the celebration of the Tridentine Mass; from the moment the priest is vesting to the end of the Mass. If the faithful learn about each of the prayers that the priest prays while he is putting on the Amice. the Alb, the Cincture, the Stole, the Roman Alb as well as the meaning of each of the vestments. If the faithful learn about each and every movement the priest makes beginning with the prayers at the foot of the altar and ending with the Final Gospel and the final prayers at the foot of the altar, I believe that then and only then will they really appreciate the beauty of such a Rite.

I am getting ready to conduct classes, in my parish, on the Tridentine Rite.

Do not take me wrong; I beleive that the Novus Ordo Rite is a very beautiful Rite when our priests celebrate it with the dignity and reverence in which it must be celebrated. I conducted classes on the proper of Lay Participation in the Novus Ordo Mass

May The Lord Bless each and every one of you and your families.

RO.
 
rickonti - it’s usually wise to read the thread before posting.🙂
frommi said:
Then again…if you believe the stuff on the ground…it took some serious conversation to get B16 over the hump and elected…if it hadn’t happened on the third ballot…it might have taken some time.
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Can you cite a source for the “stuff on the ground”? I find it hard to believe that Benedict was having trouble getting elected, somehow barely mode it on the third ballot, but was going to have trouble again on the fourth ballot.
 
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