Movement to ONE Teaching Authority/Church in Islam

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We Muslims believe that the Prophet peace be upon him is also infallible in regards to religous teachings.
Also in Islam we can speak against people for their actions, but we can’t call them non-Muslims if they have the basic beliefs.
 
In the end when you get down to the basics, Islam is a religion between a soul and its creator. There are no churches or a Vatican or a body of people that say we are inspired by God, this is what you should believe in.
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Fatuma,

That’s the reason why all the more that muslims of goodwill should unite to counter the hatred that is being propagated by muslim terrorists against non-muslims or kaffirs in the name of Allah or the Islam religion. Are you not offended by the evils being done in the name of your religion?

In the Catholic Church, we have a voice in the leadership and it’s up to the people of goodwill to listen or not. But the bottomline is, the Church always make a definitive pronouncement on matters that affect all of humanity, particularly in morals.

Pio
 
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Catholicious:
DonnaP and fatuma,

It sounds like what fatuma is saying is the same as what Jesus taught us in the Gospels:

Matthew 7:1 (KJV)
Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Luke 6:37 (KJV)
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Am I wrong, I think we share something in common here, God does the judging, we don’t?

Peace,
Catholicious
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Yes, that is exactly what I meant. You can denounce someone’s actions but you can not call them a non-believer because their worship of God is between them and God.

wa salam
 
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Ahimsa:
What in particular do you want Muslims to denounce?
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The violence.
Someone will have to answer this a bit more directly before I can fully appreciate the replies. As of now, I’m uncertain if anyone addressed “violence,” particularly as it relates to unbelievers (i.e. what some fundamentalists are preaching/practicing now).
The replies, it seems to me, to me got a bit off track. Edwin asked if Christian violence could be laid at the doorstep of the Pope. In some cases, yes, depending on the circumstances. More precisely, however, all Christians are responsible, and should denounce violence outside of self-defense, even take up arms to stop it. And we are all responsible in some indirect way, any violence committed IN THE NAME of Christ, directly or implied.
JPII issued an apology for the church, placed a prayer in Wailing Wall in Jeruselum.
Fatuma mentioned action vs. the individual. I think that thought carries some similarities to Christianity. If a person repents; we should forgive them, generally, but still condemn the action. I don’t know what Muslims believe, hence the question at the beginning of my reply. Why not attempt to stop the violence of a minority?

Jim
 
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LtTony:
The violence.
Someone will have to answer this a bit more directly before I can fully appreciate the replies. As of now, I’m uncertain if anyone addressed “violence,” particularly as it relates to unbelievers (i.e. what some fundamentalists are preaching/practicing now).
The replies, it seems to me, to me got a bit off track. Edwin asked if Christian violence could be laid at the doorstep of the Pope. In some cases, yes, depending on the circumstances. More precisely, however, all Christians are responsible, and should denounce violence outside of self-defense, even take up arms to stop it. And we are all responsible in some indirect way, any violence committed IN THE NAME of Christ, directly or implied.
JPII issued an apology for the church, placed a prayer in Wailing Wall in Jeruselum.
Fatuma mentioned action vs. the individual. I think that thought carries some similarities to Christianity. If a person repents; we should forgive them, generally, but still condemn the action. I don’t know what Muslims believe, hence the question at the beginning of my reply. Why not attempt to stop the violence of a minority?

Jim
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Muslim response to 9/11.
 
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Catholicious:
Donna,

We must remember that even though we as Catholics have a united faith behind the Pope, that we still encounter the same problem of dissence in the faith. Only a fraction of Catholics practice their faith regularly and believe in what the Church teaches. Many stay in the Church and call themselves “Catholics” only to undermine her and her teachings by spreading their false doctrines, while many more still are just complacent about their faith. There is little difference here, when it comes to some Catholic issue in the news, the press is always going to turn to a dissident Catholic theologian for what the Church teaches when they know he does not represent the Church faithfully, and yet they turn to him for that very reason - to undermine the Church. Hope this helps.

Catholicious
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Hi Catholicious (love the name)

What I was trying to say is that we (Catholics) have had one Truth. One Faith. Of course there are dissenters who either know the Truth and don’t care (smaller amount) and the larger majority who do no truly know our Faith and spout out without doing their homework. Perhaps is they did - they’d leave or with the Holy Spirit, they would be truly converted.

There is no other religion which can claim an unbroken line back to Jesus. One Faith, One Truth, One Teaching.

Thank you for clarifying my thoughts.
 
Donna P:
Hi Catholicious (love the name)

What I was trying to say is that we (Catholics) have had one Truth. One Faith. Of course there are dissenters who either know the Truth and don’t care (smaller amount) and the larger majority who do no truly know our Faith and spout out without doing their homework. Perhaps is they did - they’d leave or with the Holy Spirit, they would be truly converted.

There is no other religion which can claim an unbroken line back to Jesus. One Faith, One Truth, One Teaching.

Thank you for clarifying my thoughts.
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Hello Donna. I really like that little yellow guy you have 👍 . If you don’t mind, can you please clarify your above statement for me? What about all of the different Christian sects? In Islam we believe our beliefs go from Muhammad peace be upon him to Jesus peace be upon him, all the way back to Adam. In the Quran after Allah finishes speaking about many of the previous prophets and messengers He says in 021.092 "Verily, this brotherhood of yours is a single brotherhood, and I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore serve Me (and no other). " Meaning all of these prophets and messengers all have the same exact faith as the followers of Muhammad peace be upon them all. I hope I haven’t offended you in anyway. If I did please forgive and that was not my intent.

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LtTony:
Wow. That’s the best you could come up with?

Jim
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Yes, my sentiments exactly. I don’t think we’ll ever get an answer because the statements in the Qur’an advocating violence are at the roots of Islam, a religion that while portraying itself as “peaceful” is in reality nothing of the kind!

The statements made by Proud Kafir, an ex-Muslim may seem very harsh, but I believe everything he says is true!
 
In the Name of Allah

Donna I think the assumption that “anyone can interpret Islam” is totally wrong. There are only a few Ulema (or scholars) who can interpret Islam, I, for instance, cannot interpret Islam, because I have not gone through the process of learning Fiqh (Islamic Law).

There are certain qualifications that one must fulfil before he/she can interpret Islamic law; First and foremost being, s/he must know Arabic, which means s/he must be able to fully comprehend it, read it and write it (which rules most of us out, I suppose), This is just one of the conditions, and the list is pretty long, but I hope you get my drift.

Peace,

Urooj.
 
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LtTony:
Wow. That’s the best you could come up with?

Jim
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IN the Name of Allah

Just a question, but how much is it going to take to satisfy you?

Peace,

Urooj.

PS It’s good to see you here brother Emad. 🙂
 
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Urooj:
IN the Name of Allah

Just a question, but how much is it going to take to satisfy you?
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Forgive me, but I was unable to find anything on the site Ahimsa provided. Although it did have a link to Muslim Peace Fellowship, which was good. Sadly the first two links there: one was dead and one is now a porn site. I’m still following links, but the first few are not all that reassuring. Emad provided a link that looks promising.
There are hundreds of peace sites, sites against the war, operated by other faiths. I guess I would expect a similar number from Muslims.
Here’s the deal: Many of us think Muslims hate us and will not be satisfied until all the infidels are dead. Right or wrong, that’s the PR problem we have. I would expect a more direct, more forceful, message out there. Particularly from American Muslims. I would also expect American Muslims to be on the front lines to deliver a message of America to their bretheren in the Middle East. That message could range from “many Americans oppose the war” to “America is NOT Satan.”
 
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LtTony:
Forgive me, but I was unable to find anything on the site Ahimsa provided. Although it did have a link to Muslim Peace Fellowship, which was good. Sadly the first two links there: one was dead and one is now a porn site. I’m still following links, but the first few are not all that reassuring. Emad provided a link that looks promising.
There are hundreds of peace sites, sites against the war, operated by other faiths. I guess I would expect a similar number from Muslims.
Here’s the deal: Many of us think Muslims hate us and will not be satisfied until all the infidels are dead. Right or wrong, that’s the PR problem we have. I would expect a more direct, more forceful, message out there. Particularly from American Muslims. I would also expect American Muslims to be on the front lines to deliver a message of America to their bretheren in the Middle East. That message could range from “many Americans oppose the war” to “America is NOT Satan.”
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LtTony trust me it is out there. After Sept 11 the Imam at my local masjid spoke against it so much especially during his Firday sermons that I got sick of hearing it. However for some reason no one is listening and the media doesn’t pay attention when we speak against it.
 
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Emad:
LtTony trust me it is out there. After Sept 11 the Imam at my local masjid spoke against it so much especially during his Firday sermons that I got sick of hearing it. However for some reason no one is listening and the media doesn’t pay attention when we speak against it.
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Well, I guess I’ll have to trust you on it.
But on another point you missed… DON’T RELY ON THE MEDIA!! As I stated in my previous post, Islam has a PR problem with the violent fundamentalists. YOU need to get your message out there. Either through the internet, or charismatic speakers on TV, or volunteering to help in communicating with the Arab world. Whatever.

Jim
 
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Urooj:
In the Name of Allah

Donna I think the assumption that “anyone can interpret Islam” is totally wrong. There are only a few Ulema (or scholars) who can interpret Islam, I, for instance, cannot interpret Islam, because I have not gone through the process of learning Fiqh (Islamic Law).

There are certain qualifications that one must fulfil before he/she can interpret Islamic law; First and foremost being, s/he must know Arabic, which means s/he must be able to fully comprehend it, read it and write it (which rules most of us out, I suppose), This is just one of the conditions, and the list is pretty long, but I hope you get my drift.

Peace,

Urooj.
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May God bless you and yours,

Thank you for the information on interpreting Islamic Law. Would you mind either leading me to a sight or writing here the requirements for interpreting Islam? And do those who are then able to interpret Islam communicate with each other to make sure one teaching is taught?

Also - I noted in some of the other responses the fact that both Catholics and Muslims ( and I use these terms to describe those who actually follow the Faith) are grossly misrepresented in the Media. It seems that more Catholic Apologists are being used in the Media (althought the Medai still likes to find dissenters who call themselves Catholic to explain Catholicism) May you have more true Muslims go out to explain your faith and so better separte yourselves from those who claim they are Muslim and yet do not follow the true teachings.
 
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Emad:
Hello Donna. I really like that little yellow guy you have 👍 . If you don’t mind, can you please clarify your above statement for me? What about all of the different Christian sects? In Islam we believe our beliefs go from Muhammad peace be upon him to Jesus peace be upon him, all the way back to Adam. In the Quran after Allah finishes speaking about many of the previous prophets and messengers He says in 021.092 "Verily, this brotherhood of yours is a single brotherhood, and I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore serve Me (and no other). " Meaning all of these prophets and messengers all have the same exact faith as the followers of Muhammad peace be upon them all. I hope I haven’t offended you in anyway. If I did please forgive and that was not my intent.

🙂
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Hello Emad,

I am speaking of the Catholic Church. We have an unbroken line of teaching (through our Popes) back to Jesus and as Jesus is God (part of the Holy Trinity) back to God who created us all.

While there are other religions who are “Christian” in nature, they broke off from the one Church and are not in the fullness of Faith. We always hope and pray for their return to the Church.

And you are not offensive. Your love of God speaks volumes through your writing and I respect and appreciate that.
 
Donna P:
Hello Emad,

I am speaking of the Catholic Church. We have an unbroken line of teaching (through our Popes) back to Jesus and as Jesus is God (part of the Holy Trinity) back to God who created us all.

While there are other religions who are “Christian” in nature, they broke off from the one Church and are not in the fullness of Faith. We always hope and pray for their return to the Church.

And you are not offensive. Your love of God speaks volumes through your writing and I respect and appreciate that.
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Actually we believe the same thing. We believe it is the other religions that that were originally Islamic in nature, but then went away from it’s original teachings. I have a question for you, how were people Christians before Christ?

Thanks in advance!

🙂
 
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