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I wish I could believe that. Based on my research, “black world” projects are 20 years ahead of what we have now.
If these government agencies are as good at keeping secrets as you say, then what information could there be for you to research? How can you say for sure that those projects are 20 years ahead, if it is all being done in total secrecy? Something doesn’t add up.
 
If these government agencies are as good at keeping secrets as you say, then what information could there be for you to research? How can you say for sure that those projects are 20 years ahead, if it is all being done in total secrecy? Something doesn’t add up.
We know this because of what they have done in the past, like the stealth fighter…did that leak out early? Its common sense that they would be working on things right now that the public will not see or hear about for many years.

You can also get somewhat of an idea of what kind of tech they are working on if read UFO reports, they test these aircrafts in secret, people see something strange in the sky and report it as a UFO, this was even used to maintain the secret in the past, hide what you are working on using the disguise of unknown aircraft.

Majority of UFO reports today involve the same type of crafts and capabilities…
  1. no engine sound
  2. ability to hover in place
  3. cloaking technology
  4. triangular shape
So this paints a picture of what the black SAPs are probably working on

Edwest is right, they are extremely good at keeping CERTAIN secrets
 
Edwest is right, they are extremely good at keeping CERTAIN secrets
Well, you and Edwest may be right about that. I am instinctively distrustful of anything that sounds like a conspiracy theory. But, there can be no doubt that there truly are SOME conspiracies and secrets in the world.

However, I do maintain that space travel technology (to get back to the subject of this thread) is in a different category. The kinds of tech that are developed in secret are the ones that have political usefulness - the ones that pertain to spying and things of that sort. I can’t see any practical reason for technologies pertaining to space travel to be developed in secret. At this point (and perhaps in the far future, matters will be different, depending on what discoveries we make) the desire to travel to other planets, or other solar systems, is motivated by pure scientific curiosity; there is no political or economic policy motive for it.

That’s why I’m so dubious of the claim, made earlier on this thread, that vessels capable of interstellar travel will appear within 20 or 30 years. There would be no tangible benefit to the U.S. government, or any government, to develop such things in secret. Besides the fact that, as I have pointed out before, the fundamental difficulties involved are of a totally different order than any we have encountered before, far greater even than the challenges posed by the Moon missions.
 
After a short conversation, I asked him what he did for a living. He said, “I do electronics work for the government. I can’t talk about it.” The end and no further questions from me. Classified means classified.
As someone who used to work in the classified world (not in an engineering capacity) most classified stuff isn’t nearly as sexy or interesting as people assume.
and the fact they had Jenifer Lawrence as his co star, they could have shown a lot more nudity if they chose to.
:confused: Jennifer Lawrence has never done nudity in a movie as far as I know. She’s had nude photos stolen, but that’s about it.
 
a totally different order than any we have encountered before, far greater even than the challenges posed by the Moon missions.
+1.

Far greater, even, than the manned Martian missions we chickened out from.

As was once said, the distances in interplanetary flight compare to those in star travel the same way the Potomac compares to the Atlantic.

ICXC NIKA
 
If these government agencies are as good at keeping secrets as you say, then what information could there be for you to research? How can you say for sure that those projects are 20 years ahead, if it is all being done in total secrecy? Something doesn’t add up.
I’ve been studying this subject for decades, which means, after decades pass, some details of these projects are revealed. It’s a little odd but it is sometimes the case that the published material is sold out shortly after it appears, which has been the case for a number of them. One book I wanted suddenly sold out and became available on the secondary market for just under $1,000.00. Fortunately, a paperback edition appeared that sold for $50.00 and I have it.

One other fun thing is to give the book a title that tells prospective buyers nothing or is so cryptic that only after researching it do I find out what it’s about. Some books are privately printed. A few are available only from the author. I make sure the material I get is heavily footnoted and can be cross-checked. Or a few researchers go to the archives and dig for themselves. Unfortunately for them, the projects are buried under code names and letter-number combinations. The British recently revealed the two letter file code for some files that were reportedly destroyed by the end of World War II. But, if you blinked, you missed it. They had them all this time. The military also had this wonderful way of renaming things. Say, the average human being would call something a box, and while the following is not an actual example, the military might call it “a simple enclosure system.” I’ve seen aviation terms for the same thing using at least four or five different words that would leave you with a note from an archive like, “We could not find anything that would be responsive to your request.” And these terms are sometimes far from what the average person might use. One of the tricks with “total secrecy” is simple: you just don’t talk about it. Or files get declassified under little-known laws after 25 years, or more. The great thing is unless you’re keeping track of what’s being released, and know what to look for, they basically don’t exist.

So, life goes on.

Ed
 
the manned Martian missions we chickened out from.
What are you referring to? The last I heard, NASA is still trying to work out how a manned mission to Mars could be feasible. Some of the difficulties include the problem of the astronauts being exposed for months to solar radiation (extremely dangerous) and the serious bone loss which is caused by lack of gravity.

Not to mention more mundane issues such as how to pack enough food for the astronauts without making the ship too big and heavy, etc. etc.
 
What are you referring to? The last I heard, NASA is still trying to work out how a manned mission to Mars could be feasible. Some of the difficulties include the problem of the astronauts being exposed for months to solar radiation (extremely dangerous) and the serious bone loss which is caused by lack of gravity.

Not to mention more mundane issues such as how to pack enough food for the astronauts without making the ship too big and heavy, etc. etc.
So, the astronauts aboard the International Space Station, what are they doing? And a few materials have already been mentioned that would protect the astronauts on their way to Mars without adding unacceptable weight.

Ed
 
So, the astronauts aboard the International Space Station, what are they doing? And a few materials have already been mentioned that would protect the astronauts on their way to Mars without adding unacceptable weight.

Ed
The International Space Station is within the upper levels of the Earth’s atmosphere. I don’t know the details, but I presume there is enough atmosphere at that level to protect the astronauts from solar radiation. And those that are posted on the Station for long periods do experience serious health difficulties from bone loss, and other problems caused by lack of gravity. Furthermore, the Station can be periodically resupplied by rockets from Earth - something that wouldn’t be possible with a Mars mission. So the storage of food and so forth is not such a big deal for them.

In fact the experience of these astronauts is one of the main sources of our scientific knowledge about the dangers of prolonged space flight. I expect that’s one of the reasons people are posted there for long periods, to help researchers learn about the health issues that would need to be tackled before travel to other planets could occur.
 
**The International Space Station is within the upper levels of the Earth’s atmosphere. I don’t know the details, but I presume there is enough atmosphere at that level to protect the astronauts from solar radiation. ** And those that are posted on the Station for long periods do experience serious health difficulties from bone loss, and other problems caused by lack of gravity. Furthermore, the Station can be periodically resupplied by rockets from Earth - something that wouldn’t be possible with a Mars mission. So the storage of food and so forth is not such a big deal for them.

In fact the experience of these astronauts is one of the main sources of our scientific knowledge about the dangers of prolonged space flight. I expect that’s one of the reasons people are posted there for long periods, to help researchers learn about the health issues that would need to be tackled before travel to other planets could occur.
Actually, what protects from the kind of solar radiation that is under discussion is being within the Earth’s magnetic field.
 
The International Space Station is within the upper levels of the Earth’s atmosphere. I don’t know the details, but I presume there is enough atmosphere at that level to protect the astronauts from solar radiation. And those that are posted on the Station for long periods do experience serious health difficulties from bone loss, and other problems caused by lack of gravity. Furthermore, the Station can be periodically resupplied by rockets from Earth - something that wouldn’t be possible with a Mars mission. So the storage of food and so forth is not such a big deal for them.

In fact the experience of these astronauts is one of the main sources of our scientific knowledge about the dangers of prolonged space flight. I expect that’s one of the reasons people are posted there for long periods, to help researchers learn about the health issues that would need to be tackled before travel to other planets could occur.
The ISS is at 249 miles. It’s in Low Earth Orbit. The Earth’s atmosphere ends at 62 miles.

The Mars Mission should consist of at least two spacecraft. One to land and an emergency ship to stay in orbit if something goes wrong. A Single Stage to Orbit rescue module should land with the rest of the equipment. Or CO2 refueling equipment should be brought along for the lander assuming certain factors.

Ed
 
The ISS is at 249 miles. It’s in Low Earth Orbit. The Earth’s atmosphere ends at 62 miles.
That number is used because it is an even 100 km, and winged flight isn’t possible that high. But air resistance remains. Skylab was higher than that before it fell to Earth.
The Mars Mission should consist of at least two spacecraft. One to land and an emergency ship to stay in orbit if something goes wrong. A Single Stage to Orbit rescue module should land with the rest of the equipment. Or CO2 refueling equipment should be brought along for the lander assuming certain factors.
It would at least be built that way. As with Apollo’s LEM, the MEM is almost certain to have an upper ascent stage.

ICXC NIKA
 
That’s why I’m so dubious of the claim, made earlier on this thread, that vessels capable of interstellar travel will appear within 20 or 30 years. There would be no tangible benefit to the U.S. government, or any government, to develop such things in secret.
There is a HUGE incentive in this…money/greed, especially to be able to travel in space to mine for materials, precious metals, diamonds, etc. They say there are diamonds in space as big as tractor trailers, so I think there is plenty of reason to create and keep such technology as secret as possible.

Not sure if you know this or not, but there is a guy, Corey Goode I believe his name is, he claims the US already has a space force, 2 ships in total, I forget their names, but there is alot of info in google about it, Its also the reason Gary McKinnon from the UK was in the news so long, he claimed when he hacked into NASA, he found proof of a secret US space force…Im not sure if I believe everything about this, but there is quite a bit of evidence something is going on.
 
There is a HUGE incentive in this…money/greed, especially to be able to travel in space to mine for materials, precious metals, diamonds, etc. They say there are diamonds in space as big as tractor trailers, so I think there is plenty of reason to create and keep such technology as secret as possible.

Not sure if you know this or not, but there is a guy, Corey Goode I believe his name is, he claims the US already has a space force, 2 ships in total, I forget their names, but there is alot of info in google about it, Its also the reason Gary McKinnon from the UK was in the news so long, he claimed when he hacked into NASA, he found proof of a secret US space force…Im not sure if I believe everything about this, but there is quite a bit of evidence something is going on.
There are two X37s.

Presumably before a separate USSF is created, there would be more than two ships.

ICXC NIKA
 
There is a HUGE incentive in this…money/greed, especially to be able to travel in space to mine for materials, precious metals, diamonds, etc. They say there are diamonds in space as big as tractor trailers, so I think there is plenty of reason to create and keep such technology as secret as possible.

Not sure if you know this or not, but there is a guy, Corey Goode I believe his name is, he claims the US already has a space force, 2 ships in total, I forget their names, but there is alot of info in google about it, Its also the reason Gary McKinnon from the UK was in the news so long, he claimed when he hacked into NASA, he found proof of a secret US space force…Im not sure if I believe everything about this, but there is quite a bit of evidence something is going on.
I guess anything is possible, but I wonder how R&D could be conducted on a space-travel program, without anyone knowing about it. You can carry on all kinds of activities on the Earth’s surface, or in the lower atmosphere, without drawing too much attention to yourself. Once you start launching things into space… it’s pretty darn hard to keep that a secret. Unless you think they have Star-Trek style cloaking technology. I don’t have the scientific knowledge to estimate how likely that is, but it seems pretty far-fetched to me. And even if a rocket or vessel could itself be cloaked, the launch would create all kinds of turbulence in the atmosphere which could be detected by satellites.
 
I guess anything is possible, but I wonder how R&D could be conducted on a space-travel program, without anyone knowing about it. You can carry on all kinds of activities on the Earth’s surface, or in the lower atmosphere, without drawing too much attention to yourself. Once you start launching things into space… it’s pretty darn hard to keep that a secret. Unless you think they have Star-Trek style cloaking technology. I don’t have the scientific knowledge to estimate how likely that is, but it seems pretty far-fetched to me. And even if a rocket or vessel could itself be cloaked, the launch would create all kinds of turbulence in the atmosphere which could be detected by satellites.
And bear in mind, I am talking about manned space vehicles. If you want to talk about things like the X-37, which is an unmanned vehicle, that’s a whole different story. You have a lot more options when you don’t have to worry about keeping human beings alive and healthy inside the vessel. But the whole point of this discussion was the possibility of humans travelling into deep space.
 
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