MOVIES: "Jesus Camp"

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I had a real problem with even looking at Ted Haggard… just knowing what a hypocrite he is…:rotfl:
 
Has anyone seen this?! I’m eighteen and I have to say that I admire these kids for their love of Christ, but it all just seems like their being indoctrinated. I personally feel that I have a faith just as strong as theirs, but my parents didn’t have to pound it into me. I felt like I truly chose my faith and contemplated it…and I’m STILL contemplating it! Isn’t that the definition of the word?!! These kids seem so robotic about it and the way they were so black and white about Christianity reminded me of how the Pharisees approached Judaism…

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scapularkid8 said:
Has anyone seen this?! I’m eighteen and I have to say that I admire these kids for their love of Christ, but it all just seems like their being indoctrinated. I personally feel that I have a faith just as strong as theirs, but my parents didn’t have to pound it into me. I felt like I truly chose my faith and contemplated it…and I’m STILL contemplating it! Isn’t that the definition of the word?!! These kids seem so robotic about it and the way they were so black and white about Christianity reminded me of how the Pharisees approached Judaism…

Thoughts?
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I haven’t seen it, but I think I know the set-up. Cold showers, runs, bad food to create an artificial sense of hardship, lots of group exercises to create loyalty.

It’s got some advantages, for instance the organisers will be honest about what they are doing. You find if you go to univeristy that the indoctrination is just as systematic, and the penalties for expressing illicit ideas much more severe, but it is not acknowledged as “indoctrination”. It is called “tolerance” and “broadening the mind”.

I think you are right to steer clear of that type of teaching. Your faith has got to survive away from the group, which means it must be based on genuine love rather than a generated sense of belonging. However you are social as well as an intellectual creature. Don’t forget that. If you can live without any props then you are truly remarkable.
 
Yes, I have seen it.

These children definitely live in a Charismatic home … I’m not even sure, but it does remind me of some churches that I have attended with my BIL and SIL.

This type of movement scares me. I think it breeds extremists.
 
I’ve seen it too. It’s sad that the faith of these children is so perverse, but the actions of the parents in raising them into that perverse faith is no worse than the actions we take toward our children when we “indoctrinate” them into something far more legitimate. It’s the content of the faith that makes our actions permissible.
 
I guess so. But to me it just looked like these kids were forgetting to live!! There was a ten year old girl who had a passion for dancing and on camera she said “I admit that sometimes I dance for the flesh”…SHE’S TEN!!! How does she even know about that?! I didn’t encounter those concepts until a couple of years ago.

We can give thanks to God for the fact that it is faith in His Son they’re teaching them instead of say the body via sports in which I’ve seen happen with sports in some cases.

What I think should be worried about is the idea that this kind of severe indoctrination of youth creates just as many fanatics as does radical Islam.
 
Yes, I’ve seen it. I admire the kids for being gung-ho for Jesus but some of the ways it seems the kids were taught is scary. Like the one girl, Rachel I think, who says God isn’t in churches who do scream and shout. That made me mad. And when the lady minister told them to speak in tounges, that bothered me too. I know that some do have that gift but I don’t think you can just command it like she did.
 
This isn’t the one where they put up a cardboard poster stand of President Bush and declare him the savior of Christendom or some such, is it? I saw that somewhere, and while I think our president takes it on the chin more than he deserves, that scene was over the top.
 
AngelRose81 said:
Yes, I’ve seen it. I admire the kids for being gung-ho for Jesus but some of the ways it seems the kids were taught is scary. Like the one girl, Rachel I think, who says God isn’t in churches who do scream and shout. That made me mad. And when the lady minister told them to speak in tounges, that bothered me too. I know that some do have that gift but I don’t think you can just command it like she did.
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I was taken aback, I think, because their faith appeared forced. I have a soft spot for this. Because, in a sense, I was forced into Baptism at the age of 7. There is a difference between teaching your children to love Jesus and who Jesus is, and Jesus’ purpose…but to have them speaking about where God is and isn’t and taking such harsh stands, when they should be worrying about who likes them at school…kwim? These children didn’t appear to be children…my opinon.
 
I have not seen this…no TV set.
However, the brief descriptions here sound much like what I heard about 40 years ago. Kids I knew were indoctinated. We called it brainwashed. With some, it did not “take”, and they were very critical of the whole movement. Sadly, a few Catholic children were sucked in.
The situation became so bad that a local Baptist congregation was divided by the results, with each side calling the other heathens and worse. Each side went its separate way and now neither exists.
 
I watched this last night and honestly I was disturbed a bit by the way they were talking at times it almost seemed like they have the concept down of what christianity is but then they would put a spin on it that was extreme. One little girl was reading a Jack Chick tract at a bowling alley and then moments later went over to a young lady that was not with their group and told her that Jesus told her that she needed him. Which I think is fine but it didn’t look natural in this young girl.
They are on fire no doubt but it just didn’t seem loving at all.
That’s my opinion.
I have to agree with someone here posting about the pharasee way of thinking after watching the boy Levi, with the long hair writing his sermon. Then after taking a bow to a imaginary crowd cheering for him.:o
 
I was clicking through channels late at night and I think I saw this. There was a woman indoctrinating a a bunch of little kids. At one point she just tells them that now they are going to speak in tongues. And, being little kids who want to please, they all begin speaking in tongues. Just making it up as they go. Then she tells them it is the holy spirit speaking through them.

I’m Catholic since birth, so this is pretty foreign to me, but I really don’t think the Holy Spirit is at this woman’s beck and call. And telling the children it is so, is deliberatley misleading them.

Later in front of the camera the woman goes on about the Palestinians teaching their kids from the youngest age how to be soldiers for Islam. It seems she admire that and wants to imitate that. In fact, I think she wants to reproduce that!
 
this was a fictionalized presentation, made to look like a documentary, not a real journalistic documentary, so it is unfair to make any generalizations about the campers, their leaders, or their religious practices based on this. most of the posters are commenting on something they have not even seen. this movie was discussed here when it opened, so if OP is interested in more discussion a search for those old threads might help. this discussion belongs on popular media; for this forum we are supposed to discuss news stories, with link provided
 
I was hoping to get a little more insight on the speaking in tongues, since I totally don’t understand that. The kids wiggling around on the floor in little convulsions creeped me out. I haven’t finished watching it yet. Tivo’ed it when I saw it on A&E the other night.

I actually think the camp leader made a good point when she said that we should teach our children to be as fanatical about the Gospel as the children in the Middle East are about Islam.
carol_marie said:
I would seriously question how authentic the movie is at depicting real Bible-Christians. I am certain that the producers had an agenda - making them look like wackos?
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I agree with this, but I also agree with this -
Sweeney said:
The producers did not have to make them look like whackos - they do that all on their own.
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I think the producers probably went in with an agenda, but they didn’t need to doctor it a whole lot to get their point across.
 
Didn’t they close down the camp a year or so ago? I remember reading about this over a year ago.
 
I have to tell you I disliked this movie greatly. I felt nothing but great compassion and pity for the children.

There is a difference between showing a child the way … and enforcing the way on them. This is NOT what God wants. CLEARLY, otherwise why give us free will?
 
“Hell House” - A documentary about the odd Evangelical/Pentecostal thing of building a Hell themed Halloween walkthrough attraction is an even scarier documentary.
 
If your a Harry Potter fan you won’t like the minister’s opinion.
 
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