Mozetta

[AJV]

Our beloved Pontiff, Benedict XVI, here looking simple yet regal, appearing on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception in an ermine trimmed red velvet mozetta (shoulder cape) last worn by John XXIII, of blessed memory. :clapping:



V. Let us pray for our Pontiff, Benedict
R. The Lord preserve him and keep him alive and make him blessed upon earth and deliver him not up to the will of his enemies.

 

[GoLatin]

AJV:

Our beloved Pontiff, Benedict XVI, here looking simple yet regal, appearing on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception in an ermine trimmed red velvet mozetta (shoulder cape) last worn by John XXIII, of blessed memory. :clapping:



V. Let us pray for our Pontiff, Benedict
R. The Lord preserve him and keep him alive and make him blessed upon earth and deliver him not up to the will of his enemies.

What the Pope is wearing in the picture that you indicate is called a winter mozetta. The other mozetta that His Holiness wears, which can also be found on the slide show that you indicate, is called a “summer mozetta”. It is not made of velvet, and is not trimmed in fur.

There is also a white mozetta, made of white velvet with white fur trim, that is worn only during the Octave of Easter. Blessed Pope John XXIII can be seen in the special Easter Octave mozetta in the following book:

The Church Visible by James-Charles Noonan. In this same book can be seen a photograph of Venerable Pope Pius XII, wearing a mozetta of his own invention. This unique mozetta was made entirely of white fur. It apparently was worn to keep out the cold.

His Holiness Pope Paul VI can be seen wearing the winter mozetta in some of the photographs at this link(It’s in German): [,enlargepic=146086.htmlvatikan.diplo.de/de/Bilder/bildergalerie__besuchebeimvatikan](Deutsche Botschaft beim Heiligen Stuhl - Auswärtiges Amt)

 

[AJV]

GoLatin:

There is also a white mozetta, made of white velvet with white fur trim, that is worn only during the Octave of Easter. Blessed Pope John XXIII can be seen in the special Easter Octave mozetta in the following book:

The Church Visible by James-Charles Noonan. In this same book can be seen a photograph of Venerable Pope Pius XII, wearing a mozetta of his own invention. This unique mozetta was made entirely of white fur. It apparently was worn to keep out the cold.

Thanks GoLatin for the pictures of Paul VI and the excellent information on the white mozzetta. Who knows, maybe Benedict XVI will reinstate it like the winter mozzetta.

The mozzetta of Pius XII that you mentioned- is it like the upper part of the former ‘winter’ version of the cappa magna?

Since Gaudate Sunday is approaching… the Old Catholic Encyclopedia records that cardinals were to wear pink mozzettas on Gaudete and Laetare Sunday. I guess we’ll never see it (sigh) though perhaps the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem still wears it? You don’t happen to have any pictures of those, do you?

 

[Dr.Bombay]

I’ve seen pictures of JPII wearing a red shoulder cape, but it didn’t appear to be made of velvet. I thought he looked quite sharp in it.

I’m certain it was different than the one Benedict is wearing in that picture.

 

[AJV]

Dr. Bombay:

I’ve seen pictures of JPII wearing a red shoulder cape, but it didn’t appear to be made of velvet. I thought he looked quite sharp in it.

I’m certain it was different than the one Benedict is wearing in that picture.

Yup, that was the ‘summer’ version made of red silk. It’s the ‘winter’ one of velvet and ermine that has been resurrected.

 

[CathMass]

I wonder if Pope Benedict will throw in the ermine velvet cap that goes with the mozzetta.

 

[SummaTheo]

CathMass:

I wonder if Pope Benedict will throw in the ermine velvet cap that goes with the mozzetta.

Maybe even the Papal Tiara. Haha that would be asking for too much.

 

[AltarMan]

Benedict known for clothes style

VATICAN CITY, Nov. 4 (UPI) – Pope Benedict XVI is developing a reputation as a clotheshorse with his taste for Prada shoes and designer sunglasses.

The pope has also reportedly turned to another tailor for his vestments, dropping Annibale Gammarelli, whose firm has been serving the Vatican since 1792.

The Tablet, a Roman Catholic newspaper in England, points to the new pope’s expensive sunglasses, which Vatican officials say were a present. He has also been spotted in baseball caps and red shoes from Prada.

Pope John XXIII may have splurged on his Popemobiles. But his taste in clothes was extremely simple, demonstrated by the worn loafers that were on his feet as his body lay in state.

The new pope’s relationship with Gammarelli is unclear. The Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera suggested what is in play is Benedict’s comfort with what he knows and he is more comfortable with the tailor who made his vestments while he was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.

The Tablet, on the other hand, said that Gammarelli made three cassocks in different sizes to be available for whoever was elected by the papal conclave. Unfortunately, none of them fit Benedict well, forcing him to appear in one that was too large.

 

[AJV]

CathMass:

I wonder if Pope Benedict will throw in the ermine velvet cap that goes with the mozzetta.

I hope not! I’m all for restoring a little ‘pomp’ to the vestments but I draw the line at the camauro. For one thing, the wearer doesn’t look regal at all. For another…

**
Chick’s Popes wear it!**

 

[GoLatin]

AJV:

I hope not! I’m all for restoring a little ‘pomp’ to the vestments but I draw the line at the camauro. For one thing, the wearer doesn’t look regal at all. For another…

Chick’s Popes wear it!

Bring back the camauro!:clapping: I like it! Did you know that the Pope wears a camauro, because the Pope does not wear a biretta?

 

[AJV]

CathMass:

I wonder if Pope Benedict will throw in the ermine velvet cap that goes with the mozzetta.

GoLatin:

Bring back the camauro!:clapping: I like it! Did you know that the Pope wears a camauro, because the Pope does not wear a biretta?

Ponder no more, O CathMass. Caese not thy cheering GoLatin

Behold the Camauro

You can scroll through the gallery to view the other images of it.

I’m somehwat miffed at the description of it as “a fur-trimmed hat in the rich red color of a Santa hat” (sigh) I suppose one can’t expect everything in life.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

AJV:

Ponder no more, O CathMass. Caese not thy cheering GoLatin

Behold the Camauro

You can scroll through the gallery to view the other images of it.

I’m somehwat miffed at the description of it as “a fur-trimmed hat in the rich red color of a Santa hat” (sigh) I suppose one can’t expect everything in life.

The color of the camuro doesn’t match the cape! It DOES look like he’s put on a truncated Santa hat. If the cape was the same color or vice versa, I doubt they would have noticed it. But wasn’t the old one, the one Blessed John XXIII wore, cut more to the shape of the wearer’s head?

 

[QUICUMQUE_VULT]

AJV:

Ponder no more, O CathMass. Caese not thy cheering GoLatin

Behold the Camauro

You can scroll through the gallery to view the other images of it.

I’m somehwat miffed at the description of it as “a fur-trimmed hat in the rich red color of a Santa hat” (sigh) I suppose one can’t expect everything in life.

You Rock!! AJV!
Thanks so much for providing the links!

 

[GoLatin]

JKirkLVNV:

The color of the camuro doesn’t match the cape! It DOES look like he’s put on a truncated Santa hat. If the cape was the same color or vice versa, I doubt they would have noticed it. But wasn’t the old one, the one Blessed John XXIII wore, cut more to the shape of the wearer’s head?

Yes, I did notice that the red colour of the Camauro was different from the red colour of the cape. I personally prefer the shade of red that the Camauro has. Oh well, I can’t have everything EXACTLY how I want it!

Now His Holiness should wear the winter Mozetta with the Camauro. :yup:

 

[GoLatin]

JKirkLVNV:

The color of the camuro doesn’t match the cape! It DOES look like he’s put on a truncated Santa hat. If the cape was the same color or vice versa, I doubt they would have noticed it. But wasn’t the old one, the one Blessed John XXIII wore, cut more to the shape of the wearer’s head?

I think that it depends somewhat on the angle that you see it from. If you see it from the side of the Pope, rather than from the front, it looks more like it is cut to the shape of the wearer’s head.

Here you can see many more pictures of His Holiness wearing the Camauro, including some side views:

vatican.va/news_services/or/photo/21_12_2005/page3.html

At the top of the page, it says “Vai alla pagina: 1 2 3” and this is where you can see other pages of pictures, taken at the same General audience.

For a general index of photographs of the Pope, from the Vatican Internet site:

vatican.va/news_services/or/photo/ph_index_ita.html
There are many more great pictures of the Pope in this index!

 

[CathMass]

Well he is wearing the camauro.
He needs to wear it though with the winter mozzetta to really look papal. The large red cape should be worn with the that wide brimmed hat that I’ve seen John Paul II use.

Now I wonder if by Christmas if he will use the fanon with the chasuable.

For Orbi et Orbi message I wonder if he will use the winter mozzetta and camauro or just cope and mitre.

 

[Andreas_Hofer]

GoLatin:

Bring back the camauro!:clapping: I like it! Did you know that the Pope wears a camauro, because the Pope does not wear a biretta?

I was reading the Catholic Encyclopedia the other day, and I believe it said the zucchetto might be derived from the camauro. So I think the pope might be the only one that STILL wears the camauro.

 

[AJV]

QUICUMQUE VULT:

You Rock!! AJV!
Thanks so much for providing the links!

Why thank you.

JKirkLVNV:

The color of the camuro doesn’t match the cape! It DOES look like he’s put on a truncated Santa hat. If the cape was the same color or vice versa, I doubt they would have noticed it. But wasn’t the old one, the one Blessed John XXIII wore, cut more to the shape of the wearer’s head?

He probably would have looked more like Santa than ever. Though I agree- it is clashing. Is there a redder tabarro? Or is that the only shade?

As to Bl. John XXIII, it is definitely noticeable. But scroll to Freeways post 63 on this thread and look at the photo of St. Pius X- the camauro there seems rounded as well.

 

[GoLatin]

Andreas Hofer:

I was reading the Catholic Encyclopedia the other day, and I believe it said the zucchetto might be derived from the camauro. So I think the pope might be the only one that STILL wears the camauro.

I think that the Biretta is derived from the Camauro.

An interesting book to read, that I believe deals with this subject, is:

The Church Visible by James-Charles Noonan.

A library might have it. It has some AMAZING pictures!

 

[GoLatin]

AJV:

He probably would have looked more like Santa than ever. Though I agree- it is clashing. Is there a redder tabarro? Or is that the only shade?QUOTE]

So that is the name of the long red cape?

Thank you!:clapping: