Mr.007 A License to Shoot ... Ms.007 A License to Kill

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No need. They’ll be coming to us, wise guy! 😛
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But wouldn’t that be desirable? If you believe your claim that enacting such laws is a matter of life and death, then wouldn’t a Muslim government (even an oppressive one) which had such laws be preferable to a secular one which did not?
 
TheTrueCentrist said:
But wouldn’t that be desirable? If you believe your claim that enacting such laws is a matter of life and death, then wouldn’t a Muslim government (even an oppressive one) which had such laws be preferable to a secular one which did not?
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If the package of Communism included strong fornication and adultery laws, given the level of abortion / murder in this country, would I want my country to become Communist no matter how oppressive? No.

Abortion is akin to an SPCA mentality, where human life has the value of an unwanted animal. Bought the puppy but don’t want the puppy, no problem… get rid of the puppy. Can’t find a home for the puppy, kill the puppy. If I were a puppy, would I prefer to be born into humane society or to a wolf pack? If I manage to get past the puppy stage, yeah, the answer is the comfort of a humane society despite a longing to be free in the way God designed me. If still a puppy under the threat of death, the answer is the wolf pack. Yeah, family members are big bad wolves to those outside their pack. But their family life has much to be desired. Despite the rigid hierarchical structure, family life is really good.

I had a border collie who once a year would become very aggressive with me. He’d growl at me at the food bowl for no reason. He would be resistant, sometimes non-compliant, with my directions. Finally, after being “nice” to the dog, I’d no-nonsense discipline the dog. I would marvel that far from reacting to the discipline with his tail between his legs, his tail would wag and he was suddenly very happy. Basically, he was having trouble with my consensus-seeking directions, and was questioning whether I was fit for command. It is basically the way that I feel with the moral leadership of our church and state. I’m a dog person. I like hierarchy.

Your question is not easily answered.
 
wynnejj said:
If the package of Communism included strong fornication and adultery laws, given the level of abortion / murder in this country, would I want my country to become Communist no matter how oppressive? No.

Your question is not easily answered.
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So there are other considerations to be made with regards to abortion, it is not a simple choice between life and death as most pro-lifers would like to believe. You, for example, would not automatically support a communist party or Muslim theocratic party even if they were the only party that were pro-life.
 
TheTrueCentrist said:
So there are other considerations to be made with regards to abortion, it is not a simple choice between life and death as most pro-lifers would like to believe. You, for example, would not automatically support a communist party or Muslim theocratic party even if they were the only party that were pro-life.
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Life without religious freedom and religious freedom without life are both non-negotiable scenarios. Are you going somewhere with these short excursions?
 
wynnejj said:
Life without religious freedom and religious freedom without life are both non-negotiable scenarios. Are you going somewhere with these short excursions?
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Neither communism nor theocracy implies the impossibility of independent personal religious practice.
 
TheTrueCentrist said:
Neither communism nor theocracy implies the impossibility of independent personal religious practice.
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My answer might change if religious freedom and respect for life were hallmarks of the brand of communism or theocracy that you propose. If we are describing the merits of a collective society or a rigidly hierarchical society versus a democracy, it would still depend. If the majority of citizens believe in cannibalism to solve the war on poverty, and had strong laws against abortion, fornication & adultery (because young teenagers are so tasty), I wouldn’t hold dearly to my fondness to the democratic way of life (although, I’m told they taste just like chicken).

Besides, this side excursion does nothing to advance the discussion of whether fornication & adultery laws are good or bad law, or whether biological father accountability as a “dead beat” dad, bringing the concept of child support to the pre-born, is good or bad law, etc.

My mention of Muslim society was not commentary of their society as a whole, but a focus on family stability with strong fornication & adultery laws in place.

Wm Penn, who’s life was devoted to the cause of religious freedom, would say that lack of law will not hurt a moral people, and comprehensive law will not deter an immoral people (an apology for his Frame of Government). However, certain laws against humanity left unchecked are only resolved by bloody war — eg, slavery, holocaust.

OK, ELIZA, the one-liner pop psychology program. Your turn. What you got in your magic eight ball repertoire?
 
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