Mrs. Pelosi received a 100 percent rating from NARAL

[rascal_one]

The unborn cannot vote - so liberal Catholics can use the war as the reason to vote for Nancy Pelosi and her ilk. I am sure they voted for Republicans when there was no war and I sure they protested the war in Bosnia, etc…

Oh you mean they didn’t? You mean even if there was no war they would still vote for liberals to kill the unborn? Gee what a surprise!

 

[rascal_one]

Nancy Pelosi is frightening - thats why she has been in hiding. Dems have to FOOLS us.

There was not supposed to be any liberalism from Democrats this week. John Kerry spoiled the party - but they shut him up now. And Nancy Pelosi is no where to be found.

In Hiding.

Dems have to hide who they really are. Why Bush is out campaigning for what he believes. He actually says what he means and he isnt afraid to show it.

The Dems and Catholic liberals cannot do that. They hide and say they really want abortion rare but vote against any measure that really makes it rare. Abortion has multiplied many times since Rov v. Wade. Its didnt make it rare at all!

 

[estesbob]

Take note. When Republicans compromise on their beliefs as they have since they assumed power, it is only natural the electorate will kick back by kicking the party in power out.

Did you tell the Republicans when they started to nation build, run up debts by spending way too much money, support embryonic stem cell research and not protect our border that it would cost them their jobs, eventually?

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So that is significant reason to trun the govt over to those who enable the mass murder of our children? Not for this Catholic,

 

[sirduckjr]

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So that is significant reason to trun the govt over to those who enable the mass murder of our children? Not for this Catholic,

Bob-

When you have a movement (conservatism) built at its core fiscal sanity, pro-life perspective and a strong feelings against nation building but protecting the homeland and you violate each tenant, you will not get support. Is it fair? Yes.

BTW, I am not making the argument the Dems will do any better. ( Although they may force the Administration into some decisions they have not been forced to confront about the Iraqi issue.) The conservative movement has very certain principles. The Democrats basically are a collection of everyone else. Not very convincing, yet when things go as bad as they have in Iraq, it does seem kind of a natural course of events.

If the Republicans can hold onto the Senate, this could well be a positive for everyone including the nation.

 

[estesbob]

Bob-

When you have a movement (conservatism) built at its core fiscal sanity, pro-life perspective and a strong feelings against nation building but protecting the homeland and you violate each tenant, you will not get support. Is it fair? Yes.

BTW, I am not making the argument the Dems will do any better. ( Although they may force the Administration into some decisions they have not been forced to confront about the Iraqi issue.) The conservative movement has very certain principles. The Democrats basically are a collection of everyone else. Not very convincing, yet when things go as bad as they have in Iraq, it does seem kind of a natural course of events.

If the Republicans can hold onto the Senate, this could well be a positive for everyone including the nation.

We are so close to getting Roe V Wade overturned how about we delay sedning a message to the GOP until after we accomplish it. There is NOTHING more important than ending the slaughter of our children.

 

[Blackhawk]

As a conservative I hold the republicans feet to the fire. As a good catholic I dread the loss of every life due to abortion. The republicans, as a party, aren’t measuring up to their own talk or platform. I’m dissatisfied with the party who is for fiscal restraint, pro-life, smaller government and etc. They have failed to deliver on their promises even though they have had both houses and the presidents office for years.

Some people here needs to look at their record and compare that to what the republicans are saying. Then decide if it matches up.

I made a statement earlier that we had the blood of thousands of Iraqi innocents on our hands. It’s true. We are the one who invaded Iraq and when we went in there to depose that government we took on the responsibility of providing for the security of the citizens. That became our obligation. We ignored our obligation. We refused to send enough troops to keep order within that nation. We stood back and allowed the public buildings of Iraq to be ransacked and then continued to stand back through every action taken by outlaws to arrive at the current situation. We allowed a second invasion of outlaws from all over the middel east to come into the country and destableize the country. We had dismantled the Iraqi army and police forces and invited lawlessness to come into the lives of Iraqi’s. We failed the Iraqi citizen. We made him and his family less safe under our watch than that of Saddam. We clearly had a responsibility to the citizenry of that nation and we chose to do the war “on the cheap”.

The war on abortion? The republicans haven’t dented the surface. What have they given the country that comes close to ending the slaughter of innocent lives? Slogans like pro-life or pro-choice are nothing but words. If a reupblican law maker is pro-life let him show me his latest bill that he introduced to ban abortion. None of these guys even attempt to introduce bill after bill against abortion. You say well, that would be unconstitutional? Well, so what. If the rep or senator can point out that he wrote a bill and tried to get it in the pipeline of bills, show it to me. I think they are non-existent. Anyone of them or severally can introduce legislation. Where is the paper trail on their efforts to back up their pro-life position? I want to see that kind of action out of my senator or rep. None of them have done it. Their actions belie their public position.

 

[rlg94086]

And all of this leads you to support Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic party? After all, that is the topic of the thread.

As a conservative I hold the republicans feet to the fire. As a good catholic I dread the loss of every life due to abortion. The republicans, as a party, aren’t measuring up to their own talk or platform. I’m dissatisfied with the party who is for fiscal restraint, pro-life, smaller government and etc. They have failed to deliver on their promises even though they have had both houses and the presidents office for years.

Some people here needs to look at their record and compare that to what the republicans are saying. Then decide if it matches up.

I made a statement earlier that we had the blood of thousands of Iraqi innocents on our hands. It’s true. We are the one who invaded Iraq and when we went in there to depose that government we took on the responsibility of providing for the security of the citizens. That became our obligation. We ignored our obligation. We refused to send enough troops to keep order within that nation. We stood back and allowed the public buildings of Iraq to be ransacked and then continued to stand back through every action taken by outlaws to arrive at the current situation. We allowed a second invasion of outlaws from all over the middel east to come into the country and destableize the country. We had dismantled the Iraqi army and police forces and invited lawlessness to come into the lives of Iraqi’s. We failed the Iraqi citizen. We made him and his family less safe under our watch than that of Saddam. We clearly had a responsibility to the citizenry of that nation and we chose to do the war “on the cheap”.

The war on abortion? The republicans haven’t dented the surface. What have they given the country that comes close to ending the slaughter of innocent lives? Slogans like pro-life or pro-choice are nothing but words. If a reupblican law maker is pro-life let him show me his latest bill that he introduced to ban abortion. None of these guys even attempt to introduce bill after bill against abortion. You say well, that would be unconstitutional? Well, so what. If the rep or senator can point out that he wrote a bill and tried to get it in the pipeline of bills, show it to me. I think they are non-existent. Anyone of them or severally can introduce legislation. Where is the paper trail on their efforts to back up their pro-life position? I want to see that kind of action out of my senator or rep. None of them have done it. Their actions belie their public position.

 

[Blackhawk]

So, you expect me to stay on topic, even though all of these elements were brought up in other post on this thread.

Don’t color me as a democrat. I am not a voter in Mrs. Pelosi’s district. Therefore I don’t know enough about her to comment specifically. The originator of this thread holds out an opinion piece from a Washington newspaper. That piece is filled with opinion and wouldn’t meet evidence requirements in a court room. I am skeptical of such articles because they are “opinion” pieces - not news articles that have to pass muster. Therefore, I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt since I don’t know what’s in her heart or why she cast votes in a certain manner. Many times a rep has to vote in a certain way because of all the “riders” attached to a bill. Wouldn’t it be nice for us voters if congress had to vote on a bill without any attachments to it. Then we could really tell something about a voting record and the philosophy of a rep or senator.

What I do know is the republicans have not met the expectations of many catholics. Catholics are going to vote for many others not in the republican camp this time around. Mind you, that’s “My Opinion” so take it with a grain of salt. The polls will tell us tomorrow.

 

[Maranatha]

The originator of this thread holds out an opinion piece from a Washington newspaper. That piece is filled with opinion and wouldn’t meet evidence requirements in a court room.

Are you saying that you don’t think Mr. Pelosi received a 100% rating from NARAL or that you don’t think she claims to be Catholic? The rest of the opinion piece it somewhat interesting but those are facts.

While I not satisfied with all the results of the Republicans in congress and state legislatures, they have made some progress. Parental notification, partial birth abortion legislation, anti-abortion SC justices to name a few. Many republicans supported embryonic stem cell research but the President held fast.

The fact is when you vote for a candidate that’s part of a party, you vote in the party platform as well as the candidate. If we support Democrats now (or fail to vote for republicans) then the Democratic party platform will never change. They have to wake up and realize they will have to pay a penalty for supporting policies of death.

 

[rlg94086]

Blackhawk,

I didn’t call you a Democrat, or even a liberal. I just asked if you were going to vote that way because you are “holding Republicans accountable.” I’ve heard a few people express this sentiment, but if it means throwing the elections to Democrats (by voting for them or voting third party) it’s a flawed strategy IMO.

And for a non-biased report on Pelosi, go here: vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=H0222103 (the site seems a little slower today…wonder why? ) You can research her voting record or just look at issue ratings:

2006 Representative Pelosi supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 100 percent in 2006.
2006 In 2006 NARAL Pro-Choice America-Endorsements endorsed Representative Pelosi.
2005-2006 Representative Pelosi supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0 percent in 2005-2006.
2005 Representative Pelosi supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.
2004 Representative Pelosi supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2004.
2003-2004 Representative Pelosi supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0 percent in 2003-2004.
2003-2004 Representative Pelosi supported the interests of the Democrats for Life of America 0 percent in 2003-2004.
2003 Representative Pelosi supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2003.
2002 Representative Pelosi supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 100 percent in 2002.
2001-2002 Representative Pelosi supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0 percent in 2001-2002.
2001 Representative Pelosi supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 100 percent in 2001.
2001 Representative Pelosi supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2001.
2000 Representative Pelosi supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2000.
1999-2000 Representative Pelosi supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0 percent in 1999-2000.
1999 Representative Pelosi supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 100 percent in 1999.
1995-2004 On the votes that the National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Assocation considered to be the most important in 1995-2004, Representative Pelosi voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.
1995-2003 Representative Pelosi supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood (House) 100 percent in 1995-2003.

She looks pretty…er…consistent.

 

[rlg94086]

Well stated.

Are you saying that you don’t think Mr. Pelosi received a 100% rating from NARAL or that you don’t think she claims to be Catholic? The rest of the opinion piece it somewhat interesting but those are facts.

While I not satisfied with all the results of the Republicans in congress and state legislatures, they have made some progress. Parental notification, partial birth abortion legislation, anti-abortion SC justices to name a few. Many republicans supported embryonic stem cell research but the President held fast.

The fact is when you vote for a candidate that’s part of a party, you vote in the party platform as well as the candidate. If we support Democrats now (or fail to vote for republicans) then the Democratic party platform will never change. They have to wake up and realize they will have to pay a penalty for supporting policies of death.

 

[rascal_one]

An article posting her voting record is unfair and is an opinion!
Not fair to expose her like that!

One doesnt have to be in her district to know about Nancy Pelosi - you’d have to live in a cave not to know how radical she is. The Washington Times opinion piece contains her voting record - state what facts about her voting record are wrong before criticizing.

 

[mikev]

As a conservative I hold the republicans feet to the fire. As a good catholic I dread the loss of every life due to abortion. The republicans, as a party, aren’t measuring up to their own talk or platform. I’m dissatisfied with the party who is for fiscal restraint, pro-life, smaller government and etc. They have failed to deliver on their promises even though they have had both houses and the presidents office for years.

I’m disappointed to agree with most of this. There are some good things, partial-birth, SC judges; but not very much.

I made a statement earlier that we had the blood of thousands of Iraqi innocents on our hands. It’s true. We are the one who invaded Iraq and when we went in there to depose that government we took on the responsibility of providing for the security of the citizens. That became our obligation. We ignored our obligation. We refused to send enough troops to keep order within that nation. We stood back and allowed the public buildings of Iraq to be ransacked and then continued to stand back through every action taken by outlaws to arrive at the current situation. We allowed a second invasion of outlaws from all over the middel east to come into the country and destableize the country. We had dismantled the Iraqi army and police forces and invited lawlessness to come into the lives of Iraqi’s. We failed the Iraqi citizen. We made him and his family less safe under our watch than that of Saddam. We clearly had a responsibility to the citizenry of that nation and we chose to do the war “on the cheap”.

Ugh, more agreement. I have a friend, originally from there, who recentrly returned from a visit. He informed me that the our troops were not even guarding the border with Syria. He had to fly in to Damascus and the taxi just drove right across the border; none of our troops in sight.

The war on abortion? The republicans haven’t dented the surface. What have they given the country that comes close to ending the slaughter of innocent lives? Slogans like pro-life or pro-choice are nothing but words. If a reupblican law maker is pro-life let him show me his latest bill that he introduced to ban abortion. None of these guys even attempt to introduce bill after bill against abortion. You say well, that would be unconstitutional? Well, so what. If the rep or senator can point out that he wrote a bill and tried to get it in the pipeline of bills, show it to me. I think they are non-existent. Anyone of them or severally can introduce legislation. Where is the paper trail on their efforts to back up their pro-life position? I want to see that kind of action out of my senator or rep. None of them have done it. Their actions belie their public position.

They should have done much, much more; at least tried.
However… In the end, I can’t support someone who doesn’t even give the pro-life cause lip service. I’m worried they will be true to their convictions which would make the plight of the yet-born worse, rather then not satisfactorily better.
There’s lots of reasons I wouldn’t want her 2 heartbeats away from the presidency, but for me, her views on abortion are the most important.

 

[Jeffrey]

Can’t we start a petition and list ALL of the ppl claiming to be Catholic that support the Culture of Death be excommunicated swiftly and publicly?

her campaign literature calls her “Catholic mother of 5” can’t she be sued for trademark infringement?

 

[Vincent_N]

Can’t we start a petition and list ALL of the ppl claiming to be Catholic that support the Culture of Death be excommunicated swiftly and publicly?

For one thing, the Church is not a democracy. Besides, these people have all incurred Latae Sentiae Excommunication which is just as damning as any public declaration of Excommunication.

While catholics who vote for politicians who continue to support the Culture of Death for reasons other than said support of the Culture of Death may not incur Latae Sentiae Excommunication, they are nevertheless in a state of sin because they have rejected the Primacy of the Culture of Life, the Life in Christ for some other worldly culture.

 

[Bella3502]

estesbob;1631769[**:

We are so close to getting Roe V Wade overturned

] how about we delay sedning a message to the GOP until after we accomplish it. There is NOTHING more important than ending the slaughter of our children.

Huh, what? Where do YOU live that this is happening? Not in America.

Abortion will never be made illegal in America. Abortion is still just a choice for most women. They are not going to give up that right. The number of abortions is not going to decrease until we start educating women and men. And we need to start that education while they are young.

 

[Blackhawk]

If I were elected to the house of representatives today. I would immediately write a bill that banned abortion and introduce it. Yeah it would be tough to even get to a vote, wouldn’t it. But, you and I know that I should do that anyway and to keep doing that over and over again. Then if I give some other lawmaker courage he might do the same, and then another and then another. Sooner or later we FEW would get noticed because we would never tire of introducing these bills. Besides that then the voters could really get an idea of who really is against abortions in our nation.

Right now I believe the majority of republicans hide behind the pro-life plank of the party. I think it’s there for window dressing. In other words I’m calling the party OUT on this plank. I don’t think they are serious about it and that’s why we don’t see any of these guys making the effort to hold their own party accountable to the pro-life plank. Today it’s nothing bu words because they as a group don’t walk the walk. The majority of republicans are a bunch of hipocrits.

 

[rlg94086]

And I believe you are wrong…isn’t it great to have opinions?

Right now I believe the majority of republicans hide behind the pro-life plank of the party. I think it’s there for window dressing. In other words I’m calling the party OUT on this plank. I don’t think they are serious about it and that’s why we don’t see any of these guys making the effort to hold their own party accountable to the pro-life plank. Today it’s nothing bu words because they as a group don’t walk the walk. The majority of republicans are a bunch of hipocrits.

 

[Maranatha]

If I were elected to the house of representatives today. I would immediately write a bill that banned abortion and introduce it. Yeah it would be tough to even get to a vote, wouldn’t it. But, you and I know that I should do that anyway and to keep doing that over and over again. Then if I give some other lawmaker courage he might do the same, and then another and then another. Sooner or later we FEW would get noticed because we would never tire of introducing these bills. Besides that then the voters could really get an idea of who really is against abortions in our nation.

Right now I believe the majority of republicans hide behind the pro-life plank of the party. I think it’s there for window dressing. In other words I’m calling the party OUT on this plank. I don’t think they are serious about it and that’s why we don’t see any of these guys making the effort to hold their own party accountable to the pro-life plank. Today it’s nothing bu words because they as a group don’t walk the walk. The majority of republicans are a bunch of hipocrits.

While I sympathise with your position, I realize politics is the art of the possible. People who actually get elected know what it takes to get there. People who support the culture of death, are willing to take small incremental steps and call it progress. I’m willing to do the same.

 

[Maranatha]

Abortion will never be made illegal in America.

Anything is possible for the Holy Spirit. Pray Pray Pray.