Mubarak stepping down

[OrdinaryMelkite]

I was responding to this:
Sorry that I assumed others would read all the posts in the thread before replying, all I meant to say was that I care little about Israel’s welfare.

Oh------you could care less about Israel poossibly being destroyed and the whole area being thrown into TURMOIL as a result, then?

You could care less about the ONLY Non-Muslim regime in the Region and our Closest Middle Eastern ally?

OOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKK.

 

[gilliam]

About the Egyptian military who are now running the country:

As in many undemocratic countries, the military is more than just the military. Egypt’s officer corps is said to own or operate vast networks of commercial enterprises, including water, construction, cement, olive oil, the hotel and gasoline industries—in all, about one-third of the country’s economy—as well as vast chunks of seaside property…

The army’s material interests don’t mesh so well with the premises of a thriving middle-class society. And the absence of such a society—the combination of large numbers of well-educated young people and few jobs to suit their talents—has no doubt fueled these last two weeks of protest.

That same WikiLeaks cable from the U.S. embassy in Cairo reported that the military views efforts at privatization “as a threat to its economic position, and therefore generally opposes economic reforms.” To the extent the military does retain power in Egypt, the people’s “rising expectations” may be frustrated, regardless of the outcome of this current clash. Whatever happens in the coming days and weeks, Egypt, once the emblem of Arab stability, might be locked in the dynamics of revolution for a long time to come.

slate.com/id/2284669/pagenum/all/
It looks like there was a bit of a dispute between the older military leaders (educated in the USSR) who supported Mubarak and the younger ones (educated in the USA) who supported the demonstrators. Eventually the old guard yielded to the young guns.

1732: More words of caution from Fawaz Gerges of the LSE: “Yes, Mubarak is out but the political structure remains in place, the economic structure remains in place, the Mubarak regime remains deeply entrenched in place. You have Vice-President Omar Suleiman, the military commanders, the prime minister, the defence minister. Yes, it’s a giant step, it’s a major, major watershed for Egypt and Egyptians - Mubarak has been in power for 30 years - but the reality is the challenges have just begun.”

 

[Loml]

Oh------you could care less about Israel poossibly being destroyed and the whole area being thrown into TURMOIL as a result, then?

You could care less about the ONLY Non-Muslim regime in the Region and our Closest Middle Eastern ally?

OOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKK.

Do you really believe there is any possibility that Egypt’s military can destroy Israel? There isn’t.

Israel being non-Muslim does little to improve my opinion of the place in light of their armed forces being murdering racists.

Maybe you think the US should have been more friendly with the Soviet Union because they weren’t Muslim.

 

[gilliam]

1737: Fireworks exploding now over Cairo’s Tahrir Square.

 

[RACJ]

I am pleased for the Egyptian people. I’m hoping they can get back to normal life, and be more peaceful and harmonious. Here’s hoping

85% of the mob believes that converts FROM Islam should be executed, and 82% believe that stoning is a fair penalty for adultery. (The women involved, at least!) Yippeee!!! :thumbsup: Rob

 

[RACJ]

Oh------you could care less about Israel poossibly being destroyed and the whole area being thrown into TURMOIL as a result, then?

You could care less about the ONLY Non-Muslim regime in the Region and our Closest Middle Eastern ally?

OOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKK.

There is a stunning willingness on the parts of some folks to be BS'd. They believe what they want to believe. Witness the easy deception of Americans in the election of a "blank slate" candidate for President, B.H.O. Punk. :shrug: Rob

 

[Carlan]

I celebrate the moment!
What a wonderful example of peaceful revolution!
Such a contrast to a large faction of some people’s mentality in our country.
The promotion of private arming of people with personal guns.
Let us start praying for the beginning of a successful democracy in the whole Arab world.

Peace, Carlan

 

[scipio337]

Let’s all pray it leads to a more peaceful, and just Egypt.

Pray for the minority Copts and all people of Egypt.

 

[Brendan]

Today, Egypt.

Tomorrow: MEXICO.
Go for it, guys. Throw out the corrupt officials.

Venezuela and Cuba as well.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Venezuela and Cuba as well.

You won’t hear an objection from me. There certainly is an unacceptable remaining level of totalitarianism, oppression, and resulting lack of social justice in a shameful number of countries. But this is certainly hopeful for, at minimum, the Middle East.

 

[Erich]

Obama to make a speech in about 1.5 hours. He vasilated a bit at first but ended up on the right side of history.

Does anyone else see the irony in the news that the Obama administration pushed the Mubarak government to immediately end Egypt’s “Emergency Law” which gives the President sweeping powers to violate the rights of the country’s citizens, on the same day that the Obama administration pushed for another three-year extension of our emergency and “temporary” Patriot Act?

Or how our president chose to describe the protesters in the streets of Cairo? Notably, he referred to “the dignity of those who stand up for a better future,” how their efforts “should result in a government that is responsive to the aspirations of the people,” and how the “passion that’s been demonstrated by the Egyptian people has been an inspiration to people around the world.”
Curiously, I don’t recall him saying anything remotely resembling that about the large numbers of Americans who spoke out, attended town hall meetings or tea party rallies, or traveled to Washington by the thousands during the past two years to protest and demonstrate their concerns about his administration’s policies.

 

[Carlan]

Does anyone else see the irony in the news that the Obama administration pushed the Mubarak government to immediately end Egypt’s “Emergency Law” which gives the President sweeping powers to violate the rights of the country’s citizens, on the same day that the Obama administration pushed for another three-year extension of our emergency and “temporary” Patriot Act?

Or how our president chose to describe the protesters in the streets of Cairo? Notably, he referred to “the dignity of those who stand up for a better future,” how their efforts “should result in a government that is responsive to the aspirations of the people,” and how the “passion that’s been demonstrated by the Egyptian people has been an inspiration to people around the world.”

Curiously, I don’t recall him saying anything remotely resembling that  about the large numbers of Americans who spoke out, attended town hall  meetings or tea party rallies, or traveled to Washington by the  thousands during the past two years to protest and demonstrate their  concerns about his administration’s policies.

Actually small factions in a DEMOCRACY of 300million people…
Enrich, you have the democratic right to cast your vote every four years. Go for the voice of your opinions in the ballot box for sure, Peace,Carlan

 

[seekerz]

Please pray for Israel.

We are…haven’t you heard, the people of Egypt just got freed of a tyrant. Thanks to God are in order and prayers that the one undesirable leader does not replace another.

 

[seekerz]

Today, Egypt.

Tomorrow: MEXICO.
Go for it, guys. Throw out the corrupt officials.

I feel almost as excited as the people in Egypt - so many nations with corrupt or oppressive governments (most of sub-saharan Africa, China etc) could be inspired by this event to wake up and use their power to effect real change. You can see the young people in Tahrir Square just bursting with pride…As for the proponents of rule by violence/force (in Iran, Gaza etc) they have no credibility when they claim this as a victory for their side…no amount of religo-political brainwashing and tongue-twisting can diminish the importance of today’s events. People are sick of leaders treating their countries like personal fiefdoms - it’s that simple.

 

[seekerz]

Actually small factions in a DEMOCRACY of 300million people…
Enrich, you have the democratic right to cast your vote every four years. Go for the voice of your opinions in the ballot box for sure, Peace,Carlan

 

[gilliam]

2104: More from White House spokesman Robert Gibbs, this time a warning for Iran: “The Iranian government should allow the Iranian people to exercise the very same right of peaceful assembly and the ability to communicate their desires.” Iran’s government was, he added, “quite frankly scared of the will of its people”.

 

[Elizabeth502]

I feel almost as excited as the people in Egypt - so many nations with corrupt or oppressive governments (most of sub-saharan Africa, China etc) could be inspired by this event to wake up and use their power to effect real change. You can see the young people in Tahrir Square just bursting with pride…As for the proponents of rule by violence/force (in Iran, Gaza etc) they have no credibility when they claim this as a victory for their side…no amount of religo-political brainwashing and tongue-twisting can diminish the importance of today’s events. People are sick of leaders treating their countries like personal fiefdoms - it’s that simple.

Events this week also highlight the critical importance of the military in cooperating with such changes in political rule. (They who have the weapons have the power.) However, the interesting thing is that rebellion within a military is also empowered from an emotional and practical standpoint by civilian rebellion in massive unity. (Difference between a coup and a revolution.)

 

[gilliam]

My guess this was both a military coup prompted by a civilian uprising. The military are now in charge and they are the ones who convinced Mubarak to go, as they did King Farouk.

National Journal has the transcript of Obama’s speech. Hey, he sounds like President Bush!

 

[mark_a]

This cannot be good. Especially not for Israel.

Not to mention the Copts, who have made it known that they believe their condition will worsen.

 

[new_User1357246]

Chances are more than good that the Muslim Brotherhood has engineered this whole thing and will step into the void. If that happens there is going to be huge trouble for Israel and the rest of the world, as Middle Eastern nations fall one by one away from democracy.

The administration does not understand what they have done. Or, some of them do, and they want the end result.

Please pray for Israel.

You can’t “fall away from democracy” without being a democracy to star out with. Mr. Mubarak is a tyrant and possibly the richest man in the world because of his selfish actions as president.