Muhammad Mentioned 34 Times in the Bible?

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Back in 1999, Abdul Waheed Khan of Karachi, Pakistan, introduced a exegesis of the Bible that he believes establishes the necessary pedigree of the Islamic prophet. He wrote the paper after hearing Norman Geisler in Denver Co, in 1996. Abdul Khan provides extracts from both the Old and New Testaments that he asserts refer to, and prove, that Muhammad is the final messenger of the God of Abraham. In this thread I am going to go over each of the 34 references and discuss the context .e. language, history and intent of the writers]. Please join me as each point is addressed and refuted. Here is the first reference:
  1. Genesis 49: 10 The sceptre (the staff in the hand of a priest as a symbol of Imperial Authority) will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his."
    Explanation: (a) A chain of Israelite prophethood would cease when “he” (Muhammad P.B.U.H.) comes and other nations will follow him. It is he who will hold the sceptre in his hand from the pulpit.
(b) This word " he " was written as " S ILOH n earlier Bibles. It is changed to “he”. "SILOH means peace, meaning Islam.

(c) All Prophets were sent for a particular nation and for a particular area but was sent for the entire mankind of the world. ALLAH has called him Rahmatul lil Aalameen i.e. he is a blessing to the whole universe.

I have retained all spelling errors found in the original, so that no allegation of misrepresentation is possible.
 
Back in 1999, Abdul Waheed Khan of Karachi, Pakistan, introduced a exegesis of the Bible that he believes establishes the necessary pedigree of the Islamic prophet. He wrote the paper after hearing Norman Geisler in Denver Co, in 1996. Abdul Khan provides extracts from both the Old and New Testaments that he asserts refer to, and prove, that Muhammad is the final messenger of the God of Abraham. In this thread I am going to go over each of the 34 references and discuss the context .e. language, history and intent of the writers]. Please join me as each point is addressed and refuted. Here is the first reference:
  1. Genesis 49: 10 The sceptre (the staff in the hand of a priest as a symbol of Imperial Authority) will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his."
    Explanation: (a) A chain of Israelite prophethood would cease when “he” (Muhammad P.B.U.H.) comes and other nations will follow him. It is he who will hold the sceptre in his hand from the pulpit.
(b) This word " he " was written as " S ILOH n earlier Bibles. It is changed to “he”. "SILOH means peace, meaning Islam.

(c) All Prophets were sent for a particular nation and for a particular area but was sent for the entire mankind of the world. ALLAH has called him Rahmatul lil Aalameen i.e. he is a blessing to the whole universe.

I have retained all spelling errors found in the original, so that no allegation of misrepresentation is possible.
Look forward to more! Go for it Lothair!

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Back in 1999, Abdul Waheed Khan of Karachi, Pakistan, introduced a exegesis of the Bible that he believes establishes the necessary pedigree of the Islamic prophet. He wrote the paper after hearing Norman Geisler in Denver Co, in 1996. Abdul Khan provides extracts from both the Old and New Testaments that he asserts refer to, and prove, that Muhammad is the final messenger of the God of Abraham. In this thread I am going to go over each of the 34 references and discuss the context .e. language, history and intent of the writers]. Please join me as each point is addressed and refuted. Here is the first reference:
  1. Genesis 49: 10 The sceptre (the staff in the hand of a priest as a symbol of Imperial Authority) will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his."
    Explanation: (a) A chain of Israelite prophethood would cease when “he” (Muhammad P.B.U.H.) comes and other nations will follow him. It is he who will hold the sceptre in his hand from the pulpit.
(b) This word " he " was written as " S ILOH n earlier Bibles. It is changed to “he”. "SILOH means peace, meaning Islam.

(c) All Prophets were sent for a particular nation and for a particular area but was sent for the entire mankind of the world. ALLAH has called him Rahmatul lil Aalameen i.e. he is a blessing to the whole universe.

I have retained all spelling errors found in the original, so that no allegation of misrepresentation is possible.
It’s amazing how hard muslims try to place mohamad in the Bible.

I wonder if you compare Khan’s notes if they will match Deedat’s notes… 😃
 
It’s amazing how hard muslims try to place mohamad in the Bible.

I wonder if you compare Khan’s notes if they will match Deedat’s notes… 😃
Not that amazing. They claim he is mentioned in Hindu and Buddhist scriptures too.

But then muslims are alone in this respect. Xians too claim Jesus is mentioned, COPIUSLY, in Hindu and Buddhist scriptures.
 
Not that amazing. They claim he is mentioned in Hindu and Buddhist scriptures too.

But then muslims are alone in this respect. Xians too claim Jesus is mentioned, COPIUSLY, in Hindu and Buddhist scriptures.
See statement in bold above:

I do not want to “thread~jack” Lothairs subject, so perhpas you can start a new thread about Christians/Jesus being mentioned in Hindu & Buddhist scriptures and cite your sources please.

So, let’s try to stick to the subject matter of the title:

"Muhammad Mentioned 34 Times in the Bible"
 
This should be fun. Looking forward to the other 33 😃
It’s amazing how hard muslims try to place mohamad in the Bible.
Especially since the Bible is supposed to be corrupted. I guess the people doing the corrupting weren’t that good.
They claim he is mentioned in Hindu and Buddhist scriptures too.
I once saw a YouTube video of Zakir Naik making the claim that Mohammad is in the Hindu scripture. He made some quote from a passage. When I looked to the comment section, I saw nothing but hundreds of Hindus not only showing that he had taken it out of context, but that he had worded it completely wrong.
 
But then muslims are alone [sic] in this respect. Xians too claim Jesus is mentioned, COPIUSLY, in Hindu and Buddhist scriptures.
It will be very cool to get a Hindu perspective on the subject matter, so I thank you for dropping in. Still, I need to disagree with your comparison. While Chrisitans may *want *to find Jesus in the Hindu and Buddhist works, it isn’t *necessary *that he be found in order to verify the Christian message. On the other hand, it is agreed among Abrahamic traditions predating Islam that the Recieved Scriptures be the source to test and establish the truth of any official proclamation that is announced from its theoloical Traditions.
 
Back in 1999, Abdul Waheed Khan of Karachi, Pakistan, introduced a exegesis of the Bible that he believes establishes the necessary pedigree of the Islamic prophet. He wrote the paper after hearing Norman Geisler in Denver Co, in 1996. Abdul Khan provides extracts from both the Old and New Testaments that he asserts refer to, and prove, that Muhammad is the final messenger of the God of Abraham. In this thread I am going to go over each of the 34 references and discuss the context .e. language, history and intent of the writers]. Please join me as each point is addressed and refuted. Here is the first reference:
  1. Genesis 49: 10 The sceptre (the staff in the hand of a priest as a symbol of Imperial Authority) will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his."
    Explanation: (a) A chain of Israelite prophethood would cease when “he” (Muhammad P.B.U.H.) comes and other nations will follow him. It is he who will hold the sceptre in his hand from the pulpit.
**The scepter is indeed the symbol of royal authority, but let’s not forget, Muhammad was never crowned ‘king’ nor was he a ‘priest’ so no scepter of kingship or rod of priestly power passed from Judah to Muhammad. On the other hand, Jesus in king who leads all the holy angels and sits upon the throne of glory, which is both a heavenly throne and that of his ancestor David [Mt 19:28; 25:31; Lk 1:32]. Jesus then, is Lord and King who wields the Sceptre of Righteousness [Heb 1:8] and the High Priest who authors both mercy and grace in times of need [Heb 4:16]. Obviously, Jesus in Shiloh. But, let’s go a little further.

Mr. Khan seems to think that the chain of Isrealite prophets would cease once Muhammad took the sceptre from Judah, and that imperial authority passed to Islam. However, his own methodology of argumentation weakens when we look at his claim objectively. After all, many rulers have possessed both a sceptre and a rod, like the Roman Caesars. Many nations obeyed the edicts and laws of the Roman Emperor. So, if this passage points to Muhammad, it might as well describe Octavian Augustus or just about anyone else for that matter. In fact, one could easily argue that the passage in Gen 49:10 is a prophetic references to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD and the subsequent rule of gentile powers like the Romans. That would *necessarily ***make today’s *Pope * or maybe Constantine our mysterious Shiloh!

More on the word ‘Shiloh’, then I’ll close this post. Shiloh is an obscure word, and the passage is open to interpretation, but not make believe eisegesis as Mr. Kahn would have us think. Jewish rabbis have noted that the numerical value of ‘Shiloh’ is the same as that of ‘Moshe’ [Ba’al HaTurim, i.e. Jacob ben Asher; d. 1343]. Rabbi Maim Vital notes in Sh’ar Peskuim that, 'a mystical relationship exists between Moses and the Messiah [Vayeh 20B]. Shiloh, then, is a prophet like Moses and the Meshiah ben David. The Shiloh is ‘extoled, enlightened and elevated immensely. He is greater than Abraham, Jacob and even Moses’ [Yishaya 52,13; cf. Gspl of Jhn 8:56,58]. Moses himself appeared and spoke to Jesus [Mt. 17:3,4; Lk 24:27,44]. Muhammad had no such endorsement, and it is Moses himself who will accuse those who reject Christ whose blood justifies those whom the law could not [Gspl of Jhn 5:45,46; Acts 13:39].

(b) This word " he " was written as " S ILOH n earlier Bibles. It is changed to “he”. "SILOH means peace, meaning Islam.

Here again we are confroted with Islamic apologetics that connect unconnected words and mix lexicons. Would anyone like to take a shot at comparing the Arabic word ‘salam’ [Siin-Lam-Miim] and the Hebrew word ‘shiloh’ [Shin-Yod-Lamed-He]. Hint: Islam is not ‘peace’ and and ‘shiloh’ is not ‘submission’.

(c) All Prophets were sent for a particular nation and for a particular area but was sent for the entire mankind of the world. ALLAH has called him Rahmatul lil Aalameen i.e. he is a blessing to the whole universe.

**Islam hold that over 100,000 prophets were sent to the world’s nations, yet hold Muhammad out to the *necessary ***with so many other prophets that came before him. Muslims need to tell us why. Also, if ‘Allah’ is the source of all blessings [Q. 2:157] who alone can deliver or deprive mankind of blessings [Q. 3:414] and who tries creation with blessings and misfortunes [Q. 7:168] then how is it that Muhammad is a ‘blessing to the whole universe’?Isn’t that the unique role and power of Allah?

I have retained all spelling errors found in the original, so that no allegation of misrepresentation is possible.
 
I once saw a YouTube video of Zakir Naik making the claim that Mohammad is in the Hindu scripture. He made some quote from a passage. When I looked to the comment section, I saw nothing but hundreds of Hindus not only showing that he had taken it out of context, but that he had worded it completely wrong.
Yeah. He picks a sanskrit word and claims it is arabic, and means this or that. Distorted translation is his trade.

He never debates a Hindu scholar.

Now the same things about Mo are claimed in bible too. And saw a post here which says bible has been corrupted!!

Is Mo in bible or not? Are the claims FALSE? If so, then someone must say clearly.
so perhpas you can start a new thread about Christians/Jesus being mentioned in Hindu & Buddhist scriptures and cite your sources please.
So, let’s try to stick to the subject matter of the title:
Lies are lies, whoever utters them. Kettle are any less black than the pots they blame.
 
This should be fun. Looking forward to the other 33 😃

Especially since the Bible is supposed to be corrupted. I guess the people doing the corrupting weren’t that good.

I once saw a YouTube video of Zakir Naik making the claim that Mohammad is in the Hindu scripture. He made some quote from a passage. When I looked to the comment section, I saw nothing but hundreds of Hindus not only showing that he had taken it out of context, but that he had worded it completely wrong.
Oh that’s nothing (not trying to top you). A Muslim poster once linked to a video of some man trying to prove Jesus as God was fabricated by Christians. Guess how he decided to do it? By quote mining the Didache. Yes, that Didache. You can read the whole thing here: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=337570

By the way, one error I didn’t catch onto the video until later was that the person who had created the video had edited what the Orthodox was saying, so I was wrong about him and “the Lord”.
 
Back in 1999, Abdul Waheed Khan of Karachi, Pakistan, introduced a exegesis of the Bible that he believes establishes the necessary pedigree of the Islamic prophet. He wrote the paper after hearing Norman Geisler in Denver Co, in 1996. Abdul Khan provides extracts from both the Old and New Testaments that he asserts refer to, and prove, that Muhammad is the final messenger of the God of Abraham. In this thread I am going to go over each of the 34 references and discuss the context .e. language, history and intent of the writers]. Please join me as each point is addressed and refuted. Here is the first reference:
  1. Genesis 49: 10 The sceptre (the staff in the hand of a priest as a symbol of Imperial Authority) will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his."
    Explanation: (a) A chain of Israelite prophethood would cease when “he” (Muhammad P.B.U.H.) comes and other nations will follow him. It is he who will hold the sceptre in his hand from the pulpit.
(b) This word " he " was written as " S ILOH n earlier Bibles. It is changed to “he”. "SILOH means peace, meaning Islam.

What a pity there is nothing whatever about a “chain of Israelite prophethood” in the entire chapter.​

H is the final letter of salaam, of Islam, and so on ?

When was this supposed change ? Many changes in the Hebrew Bible are well known, & much discussed, such as the alteration of “Moses” to “Manasseh” in Judges 18.30, the habit of repeating the penultimate verse of Malachi at the end so as to avoid ending the book with the word “curse”; and so on. Shiloh is a problem - because of uncertainty as to what the phrase means; not because of what point (b) says. Christians don’t need to be coy about admitting such facts, because Christian faith is in a Person, not in a book; not even in an inspired book. But if Islam depends on the utter textual perfection of the Koran, it has problems that Christianity is spared.

A silo is a place on a farm for storing grain - that is what is really meant. Judah is going to be a farmer, until his silo is built. It’s so obvious, when you think about it. Almost as obvious as the “reference” to Mecca (courtesy of Ahmed Deedat,who has a record of disgracing himself by proving his encyclopaedic ignorance of all matters Biblical):

1 How lovely is your dwelling place,
O LORD Almighty!

2 My soul yearns, even faints,
for the courts of the LORD;
my heart and my flesh cry out
for the living God.
3 Even the sparrow has found a home,
and the swallow a nest for herself,
where she may have her young—
a place near your altar,
O LORD Almighty, my King and my God.
4 Blessed are those who dwell in your house;
they are ever praising you.
Selah
5 Blessed are those whose strength is in you,
who have set their hearts on pilgrimage.
6 As they pass through the Valley of Baca,
they make it a place of springs;
the autumn rains also cover it with pools. b]
7 They go from strength to strength,
till each appears before God in Zion. 8 Hear my prayer, O LORD God Almighty;
listen to me, O God of Jacob.
Selah

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+84&version=NIV

Which is obviously a reference to the hajj - verse 5 even uses the word “pilgrimage”. So when people claim to be going to Rome on pilgrimage, they are really talking about Mecca.

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(c) All Prophets were sent for a particular nation and for a particular area but was sent for the entire mankind of the world. ALLAH has called him Rahmatul lil Aalameen i.e. he is a blessing to the whole universe.

I have retained all spelling errors found in the original, so that no allegation of misrepresentation is possible.

Did you mean to write “…particular area but none was sent…” ?​

 
It’s amazing how hard muslims try to place mohamad in the Bible.

I wonder if you compare Khan’s notes if they will match Deedat’s notes… 😃

What an excellent idea 🙂 👍 Question is - can it be done ?​

 
If you have an image your messenger (pbut) was good it is pretty easy to make connections to any writings that contain any good.

That doe not make it true to all but would to the lookers.
 
Yeah. He picks a sanskrit word and claims it is arabic, and means this or that. Distorted translation is his trade.

He never debates a Hindu scholar.
Sounds like how many Muslim apologists treat the Bible - take a word, play around with the translation or what the word is in another language (sometimes Arabic), then try to make their case on it. The problem is when they run into someone who knows what they’re talking about (like a Hindu or Christian who’s studied their scripture and the language) the whole premise falls apart.

One Muslim asked me about all the passages in Hindu scripture, I responded by talking to a Hindu about it. I am certain there are plenty of Hindu scholars and apologists who have addressed supposed Mohammedan predictions in the Hindu scripture, and they can do a better job than I can. It doesn’t surprise me furthermore that Dr. Naik never debates Hindu scholars - probably because his arguments would be torn to shreds.
 
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