Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

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That was after he became flesh. Before that, what was that word?
I will answer this after you answer each and every Quran quote from #997 and #1000.

Until you do, I will not take you seriously; due to your evasion up till now, you have impressed me as one interested in desseminating his own religion, not one interested in genuine dialog and/or understanding.

I hope I am wrong.

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Some more RE: your assertion that Islam doesn’t teach its adherants to kill unbelievers/infidels:

Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who say; ‘God is the Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.”
Doesn’t ask to kill them.
Qur’an 8:12 cp. 8:60 “Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers”; “smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them”
8:12 is about death of nonbelievers.🙂

8:60 is about war.

8:61 And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
Qur’an 2:191 “…kill the disbelievers wherever we find them”
The context answeres.

2:190 And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.

2:192 But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Qur’an 8:55 Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve.
Doesn’t ask to kill them.
Qur’an 22:19-22 “fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem” “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods”
The references is wrong for the bolded part. The other part 22:19-22 is in the hell. Not in this world.
Qur’an 48:13 Those who “believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!”
In the Hell. Not in this world.
Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’”
The context answeres.

[8:5] When your Lord willed that you leave your home, to fulfill a specific plan, some believers became exposed as reluctant believers.

[8:6] They argued with you against the truth, even after everything was explained to them. They acted as if they were being driven to certain death.

[8:7] Recall that GOD promised you victory over a certain group, but you still wanted to face the weaker group. It was GOD’s plan to establish the truth with His words, and to defeat the disbelievers.

[8:8] For He has decreed that the truth shall prevail, and the falsehood shall vanish, in spite of the evildoers.
Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”
The very same verse answeres. “fight them till all opposition ends”

A better translation.

[8:38] Tell those who disbelieved: if they stop, all their past will be forgiven. But if they return, they will incur the same fate as their previous counterparts.

[8:39] You shall fight them to ward off oppression, and to practice your religion devoted to GOD alone. If they refrain from aggression, then GOD is fully Seer of everything they do.

[8:40] If they turn away, then you should know that GOD is your Lord and Master; the best Lord and Master, the best supporter.
What am I missing here?
A logical mind to quote a genuine question.
 
Doesn’t ask to kill them.

8:12 is about death of nonbelievers.🙂

8:60 is about war.

8:61 And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

The context answeres.

2:190 And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.

2:192 But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Doesn’t ask to kill them.

The references is wrong for the bolded part. The other part 22:19-22 is in the hell. Not in this world.

In the Hell. Not in this world.

The context answeres.

[8:5] When your Lord willed that you leave your home, to fulfill a specific plan, some believers became exposed as reluctant believers.

[8:6] They argued with you against the truth, even after everything was explained to them. They acted as if they were being driven to certain death.

[8:7] Recall that GOD promised you victory over a certain group, but you still wanted to face the weaker group. It was GOD’s plan to establish the truth with His words, and to defeat the disbelievers.

[8:8] For He has decreed that the truth shall prevail, and the falsehood shall vanish, in spite of the evildoers.

The very same verse answeres. “fight them till all opposition ends”

A better translation.

[8:38] Tell those who disbelieved: if they stop, all their past will be forgiven. But if they return, they will incur the same fate as their previous counterparts.

[8:39] You shall fight them to ward off oppression, and to practice your religion devoted to GOD alone. If they refrain from aggression, then GOD is fully Seer of everything they do.

[8:40] If they turn away, then you should know that GOD is your Lord and Master; the best Lord and Master, the best supporter.

A logical mind to quote a genuine question.
Whoa!! Are you saying there is more than one translation of the Quran?? This was your argument against 1 John 5:7. By your standard, then the Quran is a lie, a fabrication because translators cannot agree on wording.
 
Meaning that Jesus never claimed to be God. But he did, Khalfan, as I and others have already quoted/answered in this thread…why do you ignore these answer and keep positing your version of the “facts”?
No Christian ever quoted in last 2000 years, a quote of Jesus (pbuh) saying I am God, because it doesn’t exist in your Bible. Some other saying are interpreted as the claim of divinity which is answered by his own contradictory sayings mentioned in your own Bible. 🙂
 
Jesus said, “IF this cup can pass from me…but NOT MY WILL, but THINE be done…”

That doesn’t sound like Jesus whining that he refuses to die…merely that he acknowledges his flesh, his human portion wishes it could be otherwise…But he submits himself to the task set before him. (And I’m NOT explaining the trinity or God/Man here…merely answering your original question.)
Mt 26:39 And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.”

Mr 14:36 And He was saying, “Abba! Father! All things are possible for You; remove this cup from Me; yet not what I will, but what You will.”

Does it sound like he wanted to die? It is not only him but all of us are subject to the will of God. Jesus (pbuh) emphasised the same fact. Whatever the will of God was to be done. If it is to be saved, save. Or if it is to get killed, let them kill. Anyway, the will of Jesus is clear, “remove this cup from Me”. He never wanted to die on cross specially it was for a misunderstanding of blasphemy of being Son of God which Jews never accepted.
 
I am a proud apostate from Islam! 🙂 😃 😉 I took shahada back in 1976 and then I rejected Islam and the EVIL false prophet mohammad(** God’s curse and hatred be upon him forever.)**
KILL ME I will even go to Mecca and proclaim this in a loud voice at the Kaaba, I’ll spit on the black stone and use the pages of the qur’an for wiping myself after toilet.
Come now, Obadiah. We are all brothers and sisters. We are called to love our enemies and do good to those who harm us. We can rest assured that God will deal with all (including Mohammed) justly and mercifully. In the Lord’s Prayer, we pray that God will forgive us our debts *as we forgive our debtors. *If we want God to treat us with great Mercy (Father grant me your mercy and forgiveness), we must also hope for that same great Mercy for Mohammed (Father have mercy on his soul).
We may yet meet him on the other side, transformed by God’s mercy.
:getholy:
 
The same way a person with cancer doesn’t “want/desire/look forward to” chemotherapy.

The same way a person with gangrene in the leg doesn’t “want” to cut off the leg.

The same way a pregnant woman doesn’t “want” to experience the pain of labor.

We sometimes do what we must do not because we desire to do it, but because it MUST be done.
good example. But it doesn’t suit to a God Man. Because he knows the future. There place for worry in his life. That is what it was supposed to be with Jesus (pbuh) if he was indeed God. But he was not. So he worried about getting killed.
As a side note, I admire your conviction to persist on a Catholic forum. I pray that one day (God willing) you will see what we see–that our God is a loving Father who created us out of love for us in spite of our sinfulness. He loves us so much that He humbled Himself and became man and allowed Himself to be sacrificed for our sins, our salvation. I know you don’t yet believe that He inspired many men over many hundred years to write in human words the most intricate, beautiful love letter ever composed. The Bible is quite simply the story of the salvation of man and God reconciling man to Himself. I know you don’t get how we can say that God the Father and God the Son (and the Spirit) are one. I know it is challenging to grasp that when we say Jesus died on the cross we are not saying that God the Father died, even though we say they are one.

God bless you (and all of us) on your path to Truth.
I experience that loving God always. But one God. Not 1+1+1=1.
 
Khalfan, stop making this claim. You have no proof that the gospel writers lied. You claim of corruption holds no weight without outside proof.
You are blind to see fact of 1 John 5:7 which I already proved for morethan 10 versions of Bibles. You are blind to see that Mark 16:9-20 was never written in the ‘original scripture’.
 
I notice Khalfan, that you still refuse to answer/refute my posts quoting the Quran instructing believers to KILL nonbelievers.

Why do you not answer this, if Islam is in fact a religion of Peace? (In case you’ve forgotten, it’s posts #997 and #1000)… :rolleyes:

STILL WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE
Are you still holding breath???:confused:
 
I experience that loving God always. But one God. Not 1+1+1=1.

Ah, I see the misunderstanding. Please alert your Muslim brethren. They have been doing the math incorrectly. It is not

1 + 1 + 1 = 1

IT IS…

**1 x 1 x 1 = 1 👍 **
 
Jesus Christ is God the Son, True God from True God, One in Being with the Father, through Whom all things were made. No one who claims to be a prophet of God can be right if he so egregiously misses the true nature of Christ.
 
Frikkin’ HYPOCRITE…!! :mad: This coming from the same guy who posted a Muslim propaganda video link earlier in this very same thread just to address the issue of “Who wrote the Bible?”

Right as I’m telling him the same thing, it doesn’t matter so much who put pen to paper… he’s acting like everything hinges on who actually WROTE it all down. Yet more Muslim double-standards… I keep telling you guys… :banghead:
If you were saying something that already a fact established, I would accept even if it is someone already said. Like ‘GOD IS ONE’. The details of embryology mentioned in Quran is a known established fact today. If someone said the same in 16th century, it doesn’t prove anything. It may his own discovery or copied from Quran (I can say, Quran existed long before that).

That logic won’t give you the right to say anything you want on God. If you say GOD is 1 in 3, which was new to the entire world until Paul, I wouldn’t accept. God incarnate in human is already a proven pagan tribal concept existed long before Jesus (pbuh).🙂
 
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