Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

[BelFarfalla]

I don’t know where you were Bel, but I am from Ethiopia, I was born and raised in Addis Abeba the capital city, I have fond childhood memories of my old neighborhood and our Christian neighbors, In fact my cousins went back there a few years ago and their circle of friends included Christians and Muslims. Ethiopians are not divided along religious lines but are divided by tribal and language lines, there are over 100 dialects and tribes. Among the major tribes are the tigris and amaras who don’t get along very well.

I lived there when Eritrea was part of Ethiopia. Emperor Haile Selassie and Empress Menen were still alive. I remember my going with my father to the air port because Emperor was returning from a trip to Europe that day because of an attempted coupe… seems a life time ago.

We lived in Asmara and traveled to Addis Abeba, Massawa and places I don’t even recall the names of any more. I was young when we left there. Yes there are a lot of conflicts along tribal lines. I saw a lot of that too. Tribes would camp in front of our house when they came to seek help in settling disputes. I also remember the dreaded shifta along the road from Asmara to Massawa. There were many factions all fighting each other in those days.

There were also a lot of conflict along religious lines. I was 10 when I watched the massacre of a few dozen Christians at the hands of a band of Muslims. I’m sorry but I have a mental block and cannot go into this much, my head is now hurting. The violence continues today.

 

[famdigy]

Bel that was way before my time and I think its the exception not the rule as there was violence on both sides, when you have civil unrest on that scale its not as simple as putting blame on one group. My parents were students during that time, my mother told me of one incident before I was born where military men chased some rowdy protesters into a mosque near our old neighborhood and fired on everyone inside, those who didn’t die were ordered to drag the bodies out, dig graves and bury them, the same military men went knocking on the victim families doors and demanded their families pay for the bullets which killed their kin. As far as I can remember I’ve never heard of christian-muslim violence.

 

[BelFarfalla]

Bel that was way before my time and I think its the exception not the rule as there was violence on both sides, when you have civil unrest on that scale its not as simple as putting blame on one group. My parents were students during that time, my mother told me of one incident before I was born where military men chased some rowdy protesters into a mosque near our old neighborhood and fired on everyone inside, those who didn’t die were ordered to drag the bodies out, dig graves and bury them, the same military men went knocking on the victim families doors and demanded their families pay for the bullets which killed their kin. As far as I can remember I’ve never heard of christian-muslim violence.

It was a terrible time. The news in those days are more interested in the type of things you mother told you about. But the religious violence has been there all along. It’s only getting worse now …

here is just one small example…

christiantoday.com/article/muslim.mob.kills.six.christians.in.ethiopia/8559.htm
**Muslim Mob Kills Six Christians In Ethiopia **

**A Muslim mob has killed six Christians in an unprovoked attack on a congregation in Ethiopia, ICC has discovered. **

by Maria Mackay
Posted: Friday, December 1, 2006, 8:44 (GMT)
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The US-based human rights group International Christian Concern (ICC) has learned a mob of 300 Muslims killed six Christians in early October while 15 others were left seriously wounded by the attack during a midnight worship service in Beshasha, a town located in the Agaro province in Ethiopia.
On 14 October, a group of three hundred Muslims, carrying guns and knives approached the church where the Orthodox Christians were holding a midnight worship service. When the locked doors prevented the mob from entering the church they forced the congregation out of the church by pouring gasoline around the building.

The men of the church came out first and attempted to defend the men and women but because they had no real weapons in comparison to the guns and knives used against them they were attacked by the mob.
Fifteen individuals from the church suffered severe knife wounds and six people died as a result - two priests, two elderly women, and two men.

Two weeks later, the Ethiopian media announced that the police had arrested the leader of the massacre. But ICC warns that the violence against Christians continues to increase steadily despite the arrest.
It was only two weeks before the Beshasha massacre that another attack on Christians occurred in Jimma, Ethiopia because Muslims opposed Orthodox Christians celebrating the traditional Meskel holiday.

ICC warned that Muslims in the Horn of Africa are becoming increasingly radical and violent and are being urged to export that violence to surrounding countries.
This trend is almost certainly affecting Christians in Ethiopia, ICC said. The Union of Islamic Courts in Somalis recently called for Jihad against Ethiopia, appealing to Muslims of the Horn to rise up against anyone who would dare come against the religion of Allah.
ICC remains concerned as it warned that the tragic incident may only be a precursor of things to come as Muslims in Ethiopia, Kenya, and Tanzania are radicalised.

 

[exoflare]

What a whole lot of propaganda gathered by the Muslims.
The Bible is still the best selling book in the world and is the only religious book that can stand up to a scientific audit. Please read “The Bible Code” written by Michael Drosnin who is an atheist - the New York Bestseller. Michael is an investigative journalist / scientist / mathematician and wrote the Book using the Hebrew version of the Torah together with Rabbi scientists. Most of the incidents that have happened recently are encoded in the Torah (Hebrew version only) which was written about 2,000 years ago - using a computer and systematic skipped lettering. Read the book and be convinced. I am no scientist but the evidence is there for those who wish to test it. No other religious book in the world, can make this claim but only applies to the Torah in Hebrew.

Ugh… please don’t muddy the water with this “Bible Code” stuff… :banghead:

 

[Darrel]

by that logic, Christianity must also be a false religion when looking at the environment it produced during the dark ages when the church and state were one.

The entire world was barbaric and brutal at that time in history. Right now the dark ages exist in Iran and similar places all over the middle east and Muslim world. You can’t say that 95 percent of Islam is ‘just confused about the truth of Islam’. In reading what the so called prophet has to say, I think the more radical elements of Islam are probably the more faithful in holding true to there religion. Moderate Islam is starting to remind me of Catholics who say they don’t believe in hell.

What is purpose of divine revelation anyway; Is it not to guide people to what God wants?
Divine revelation in Islam is not limited to matters of belief, it encompasses everything from code of conduct, morality, legal laws, spirituality, asceticism etc…

Thats because it operates from the viewpoint of the flesh more then the spirit. Jesus teaches not to be consumed with the things of this world. Islam teaches us how to control the things of this world via legalism and fear of retribution. God is spirit, yet Islam does not teach us about the Holy Spirit of God that I am aware of. It takes the law of Moses and plagerises it into a male ego driven obsessive type social structure that is founded upon a broken system that leads to poverty, and common acceptance of nightmare scenarios.

Someplace in the world right now there are plans to stone some adulteress or chop off some thiefs hand. The people who do these attrocities will somehow believe they have done Gods will. What a massive sin and what brilliant deception on the part of the devil.

-D

 

[mirandajb]

I watched it. Very poor research and his conclusions are a joke. Be that as it may, if you, hamba2han, think the video is accurate to prove the untrustworthiness of the books that came before the koran, then you discredit the qur’an itself because the quran relies on those books.

The insane circular reasoning which you in particular spew here is tiresome and without merit.

Well said my friend. Shooting themselves in the foot is nothing for Muslims who would even kill their own in the name of their Allah.

 

[thistle]

Hi
We Ahmadis are already bieng persecuted in many coutries of the world, only for our peaceful approach in religion. But then JesusYeshuaIssa was also persecuted for his truthful and peaceful religion. I told you that I followMoses, JesusYeshuaIssa and Muhammad all peaceful and truthful ProphtesMessengers of GodAllahYHWH, so we submit to the will of GodAllahYHWH.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
GodAllahYHWH is All-Knowing; one should invariably give Claim and Reason on all important issues from one’s Revealed Book; one shouldn’t try putting one’s own words into God’s mouth.

Why do you pesist in these lies. Jesus is not a messenger of God. Jesus IS God.

 

[hamba2han]

Jesus, the prophet, returns to judge the living and the death at the end of time, doesn’t that disqualify big Mo as the “last prophet?”

Jesus (pbuh) will return of course but not to judge the world as modern Christians believe, because judgment only belongs to God.

“Imam Al-Bukhari and Imam Muslim quoted the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, as saying: “Soon the Son of Mary will descend among you as a just judge. He will break the cross, kill the pig, remove the Jizyah and the wealth will overflow to the extent that people will get disinterested in it, and until the prostration (as-Sajdah) will be better than the world and whatever is in it. Then Abu Hurayrah said, ‘Read if you wish, 'And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness on them."(An-Nisa’ 4:159)

The Second Coming of Jesus is clearly established from the Qur’an and authentic Sunnah and it is very clear that:

1. Jesus’ coming will be “a sign of the approaching Day of Judgment”. If any one makes a claim of being the Messiah during the approach of the Day of Judgment, neither in his life nor soon after him, then it is proved that he was a false pretender and not a true Messiah.
2. Jesus will not come to add or subtract anything from Islam. He will not claim himself to be a new Prophet or Messenger. He will not even lead a prayer of Muslims, he will follow in prayers the Imam of Muslims.
3. Jesus will fight the Dajjal and will kill him near Jerusalem.

We do not know when Jesus will come, but he will surely come. It is important to believe whatever Allah has said in the Qur’an and whatever is explained in the authentic Sunnah of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him.

 

[hamba2han]

I watched it. Very poor research and his conclusions are a joke. Be that as it may, if you, hamba2han, think the video is accurate to prove the untrustworthiness of the books that came before the koran, then you discredit the qur’an itself because the quran relies on those books.

The insane circular reasoning which you in particular spew here is tiresome and without merit.

The Qur’an, being 100% pure ever since it was produced and finally authenticated by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself shortly before he died, stands completely on it’s own and totally does not rely on any other scripture, least of all those that have been altered and corrupted though the ages to suit the needs of those with their own agenda.

 

[Booklover]

The Qur’an, being 100% pure ever since it was produced and finally authenticated by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself shortly before he died, stands completely on it’s own and totally does not rely on any other scripture, least of all those that have been altered and corrupted though the ages to suit the needs of those with their own agenda.

Look at it another way. It’s not the previous scriptures that have been corrupted, it’s the Quran that is a complete fabrication!

Vickie

 

[Verisimilitude]

The Qur’an, being 100% pure …

BS (bad stuff ?)

 

[Jayda]

The Qur’an, being 100% pure ever since it was produced and finally authenticated by the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself shortly before he died, stands completely on it’s own and totally does not rely on any other scripture, least of all those that have been altered and corrupted though the ages to suit the needs of those with their own agenda.

hola hamba2han

that is not true, mohamed could not read so there was no way for him to ‘authenticate’ it. caliph omar wrote the quran after mohamed died, and he had all the other qurans destroyed… and it not only relies on other scriptures, it is based on other scriptures… for example the concept of a ‘last prophet’ was taken from the ‘prophet’ mani, the story of jesus and the clay bird was taken from the arab infancy gospel (itself a 5th century forgery), aspects of all the local religions were used in its creation. and it has been altered and corrupted many times, the earliest testimonies of this come from aisha, his wife, and archeological evidence from the 70s at sana shows an entire history of an evolving quran that did not truly exist as the only quran in its present form until the 10th century.

i’m happy you provide you with sources should you need them

que Dios te bendiga

 

[hamba2han]

hola hamba2han

that is not true, mohamed could not read so there was no way for him to ‘authenticate’ it. caliph omar wrote the quran after mohamed died, and he had all the other qurans destroyed… and it not only relies on other scriptures, it is based on other scriptures… for example the concept of a ‘last prophet’ was taken from the ‘prophet’ mani, the story of jesus and the clay bird was taken from the arab infancy gospel (itself a 5th century forgery), aspects of all the local religions were used in its creation. and it has been altered and corrupted many times, the earliest testimonies of this come from aisha, his wife, and archeological evidence from the 70s at sana shows an entire history of an evolving quran that did not truly exist as the only quran in its present form until the 10th century.

i’m happy you provide you with sources should you need them

que Dios te bendiga

Hi Jayda, while it is true that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) could neither read nor write, nevertheless it was he personally who instructed and supervised every single detail that was to be written in the Qur’an, not just the text but also the arrangement of all the verses and chapters.

And to understand how he with the help of the archangel Gabriel managed to do this and finally authenticate the Qur’an shortly before his death, I suggest that you read this short article.

 

[hosemonkey]

Hi Jayda, while it is true that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) could neither read nor write, nevertheless it was he personally who instructed and supervised every single detail that was to be written in the Qur’an, not just the text but also the arrangement of all the verses and chapters.

And to understand how he with the help of the archangel Gabriel managed to do this and finally authenticate the Qur’an shortly before his death, I suggest that you read this short article.

I think that the Archangel Gabriel had about as much to do with the koran as the angel Moroni had to do with the Book of Mormon, another work of fiction. And I am convinced that both books ARE of supernatural origin, they are the products of the mind of Satan. The koran advocates acts and practices that are against both God and man, murder and oppression, abuse of women and the rape of children. How can this book be of God? Countless crimes are committed in the name of allah and by the direction of the koran.

 

[famdigy]

Hi Jayda, while it is true that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) could neither read nor write, nevertheless it was he personally who instructed and supervised every single detail that was to be written in the Qur’an, not just the text but also the arrangement of all the verses and chapters.

And to understand how he with the help of the archangel Gabriel managed to do this and finally authenticate the Qur’an shortly before his death, I suggest that you read this short article.

Yes, the messenger of Allah did not write in public, because he used to dictate writing. However, this does not mean that he did not know how to write. It is also true that the Prophet was “Ummi”, but this does not necessarily mean he did not know how to read and write. It rather means that Prophet did not have any human teacher to teach him how to read and write since the time he was born to his mother (“Ummi” derived from “Umm” meaning mother). His only teacher was Allah. And this is why Quran is a true miracle from a person who did not have a teacher and he who did not go to school. I would say, clearing doubt about the Quran as God’s revelation was the only reason that the Messenger of Allah was not ordered attempt to write in public or claim as such.

 

[BelFarfalla]

the story gather more fiction the more people tell it.

:hypno:

 

[Jayda]

Hi Jayda, while it is true that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) could neither read nor write, nevertheless it was he personally who instructed and supervised every single detail that was to be written in the Qur’an, not just the text but also the arrangement of all the verses and chapters.

And to understand how he with the help of the archangel Gabriel managed to do this and finally authenticate the Qur’an shortly before his death, I suggest that you read this short article.

hola hamba2han,

what good is his supervision and instruction when he cannot read or write? it is like a lay person supervising surgery…

besides we know that there were serious distortions in the quran from the beginning all the way into the 10th century… you are arguing a belief… not a fact.

i highly suggest you read about manichaeism, you will better know where mohamed based so much of your religion upon.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[Jayda]

… why do false prophets always blaim the archangel Gabriel? mormonism makes identical claims to islam about Gabriel… if i am not mistaken mani did as well…

 

[famdigy]

… why do false prophets always blaim the archangel Gabriel? mormonism makes identical claims to islam about Gabriel… if i am not mistaken mani did as well…

Its really simple.

from the beginning of Human existence God has always been a One God, not 2 or 3. So He sent us prophets to guide us to the truth, and every time people deviated from the truth, He sent other prophets to bring them the same message. Paul was so eager to have the romans accept Jesus’s message of monotheism that he introduced all sorts of Pagan ideologies into original christianity

• The cross is a roman symbol as romans often crucified people
• The romans made human sacrifices as part of their ancient tradition
• The romans believed that God has children.
• the roman pagan festivals are in the winter (december 25th)

Are all of these mere coincidences?? or did Paul really try to win over the romans to his version of christianity by including many of the pagan practices romans already practice.

God sees all of this perversion and again sends another prophet, this time Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to bring people back to the original message of Monotheism that God is one not two or three and he doesn’t have children.

 

[Jayda]

Its really simple.

from the beginning of Human existence God has always been a One God, not 2 or 3. So He sent us prophets to guide us to the truth, and every time people deviated from the truth, He sent other prophets to bring them the same message. Paul was so eager to have the romans accept Jesus’s message of monotheism that he introduced all sorts of Pagan ideologies into original christianity

• The cross is a roman symbol as romans often crucified people
• The romans made human sacrifices as part of their ancient tradition
• The romans believed that God has children.
• the roman pagan festivals are in the winter (december 25th)

Are all of these mere coincidences?? or did Paul really try to win over the romans to his version of christianity by including many of the pagan practices romans already practice.

God sees all of this perversion and again sends another prophet, this time Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to bring people back to the original message of Monotheism that God is one not two or three and he doesn’t have children.

Christians have never believed in more than one God… and we have never believed Mary is a goddess, just like Jews have never believed Ezra is the Son of God, nor has the apostle St. Paul ever preached to the Romans… he was brought to Rome for his execution… nor did St. Paul the apostle author any of the gospels, nor does the quran even claim as much (this is something muslims have invented… along with ‘tawhid’ a nonsensical term neither found nor defined in the quran).

mohamed is nothing more than a copy of mani… claiming to be a ‘final prophet’ and writing himself into the margins of scripture when he is neither prophesied not expected at any time in history. he mixed manichaeism, zoroastrianism, heretical christianity, judaism and indigenous pagan arabic beliefs and came up with islam. that is why you believe in pagan arab ideas like ‘jinn,’ that is why you believe the pagan manichaenian idea that God would abandon his revelation to corruption and ‘end it’ with a ‘final prophet,’ that is why you believe in 5th century arabic gospel forgery stories like Jesus turning clay into birds and that is why mohamed is not a prophet. and you have no answers for any of this, because you lack guidance from God.

or are these plaguerisms by mohamed ‘coincidences?’ now you see how ‘truth stands clear from falsehood.’

may God guide you