Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

[Khalfan]

Why is ISLAM so peaceful to non-Muslims.

The Qur’anic peace (“…be merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers” Sura 48:29) compared to in the beatitudes (Matthew 5:3), it is the Christian principle to “love your enemies” (whereby Christians are by mandated to love all Muslims). The Muslim concept can be viewed as the opposite extreme as is evident in the Hadith where they are required to persecute the Christians & Jews:

***“when judgment day arrives, Allah will give every Muslim, a Jew or Christian to kill so that the Muslim will not enter into hell fire.” ***(Mishkat Al-Messabih, vol. 2, no.5552)

Even the Qur’an alludes to the fact that Muslims are to not befriend Jews or Christians.
*“O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is one of them. Allah guideth not a people unjust.” *Sura 5:51

Sura 5:51, 9:5, 9:29 and many others verses have given rise to cultural divisions and this attitude is even applied today with the infamous and influential Muslim, **Ayatollah Khomeini’s **contempt for non-Muslims:
There are eleven things which are impure: urine, excrement, sperm, bones, blood, dogs, pigs, non-Muslim men and women, wine, beer, and the sweat of the excrement-eating camel.
Every part of the body of a non-Muslim individual is impure, even the hair on his hand and his body hair, his nails, and all the secretions of the body.
Any man or woman who denies the existence of Allah, or believes in His partners [the Christian Trinity], or else does not believe in His Prophet Muhammad, is impure (in the same way as are excrement, urine, dog, and wine). He is so even if he doubts any one of these principles.
It is forbidden to touch a page of the Qur’an with anything impure; if such a thing should happen, the page must immediately be washed.
One must avoid giving the Qur’an to an infidel; it is even recommended that it be **forcibly taken away **from him if he already has it in his hands”

In Conclusion:
What the West doesn’t understand is that according to Islam, Sura 2:256, which teaches freedom of religion, **IS NO LONGER VALID AS IT HAS BEEN ABROGATED ‘Naskh’ BY LATER REVELATIONS **which were given to Mohammed.

In his book, How to Perfect the Science of the Qur’an (Al-Itqan), writes Mr. Al-Syoti, in volume 2 page 37; **“THE VERSE OF THE SWORD 9:5 HAS ABROGATED (annulled, cancelled) one hundred and twenty four Qur’anic verses and all what came in the Qur’an on matters of forgiving and ignoring, unbelievers have been replaced (Mansookha), BY THE VERSE OF THE SWORD.” **

This is also conferred by the highest of the interpreters of the Qur’an. For further evidence refer to the following; Kitab Al-Nasekh Wal-mansookh, by Al-Neesaburi. Al-Hafeth Ibnu Katheer Ibin Abas. Al-Tasheel Lulum Al-Tanzeel. Al-Husain Ibn Fadl. Abu Abdullah Muhammad Ibn Hazm. Al-Muhaqiq Abu Al-Qasim Hibatullah Ibn Salameh. Al-Sudy Wa-AlDahak. Muhammad Abdulsalam Faraj.

The evidence on the abrogation of verses which calls for tolerance and patience CANNOT BE REFUTED. PEOPLE IN THE WEST NEED TO BE AWAKENED, they cannot ignore what is really taught in the East, that is; to Islamize the West. Again, the banners one sees in all Islamic rallies and demonstrations proves the point - “Islam to the World.” (Walid, Crash Course in Jihad, pg 4)

VERY PEACEFUL…

THE MOST PEACEFUL CHRISTIANITY.

exchristian.net/exchristian/2002/10/how-many-people-have-been-killed-by.php

 

[Khalfan]

You are correct that this is the belief of mainstream Sunni and Shia.

Any proof?

 

[Khalfan]

Bin Laden does not agree with you. I have read some of his justifications based on the Qur’an, hadith, etc. It all reads a lot like the laws of the lesser Jihad I posted. A huge number of Muslims world wide agree with him and not what you have said above.

If Muslims cannot agree on things this important then Onesimus is right, Islam cannot make a claim to have the right to rule. No one seems to know or agree what Islam really is.**

**

Innocents cannot be killed. There is nothing that Bin Laden can prove to make it right.

 

[Khalfan]

I agree with you that the intent of Islam is not to punish the victim. It is the religous who run the courts in those countires who are causing the problems. But this interpretation seems to be almost universal in the Muslim courts.

Not at all. I am living in a Muslim country. Don’t just throw rubbish arguments.

 

[obadiah]

Innocents cannot be killed. There is nothing that Bin Laden can prove to make it right.

Bin Laden is an APOSTATE Muslim.

 

[Sura10_Ayat94]

THE MOST PEACEFUL CHRISTIANITY.

Nice Khalfan, please know your facts! Because I get banned from your Islamic forums for giving ‘tough’ question, we are tolerant with your absurd remarks here, yet we don’t ban you, unlike your faith!

What you fail to recognise is that Jesus Christ taught his followers to “love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.” (Matthew 5:44). Notwithstanding Jesus’ clear teaching and example, over the centuries, violence has been committed by those who call themselves “Christians”. Just as there are many who call themselves Muslims who do evil and violence too. It is safe to say that some who call themselves “Christians” do not live according to the teachings of Christ ***yet those Muslims who conform to the aggressive and antagonistic mentality of radical Islam clearly believe that they are imitating the prophet and principles of the Qur’an ***(Sura 9:5, 9:29) and more particularly the traditional aspects of Islam (Hadith e.g. Sunan AbuDawud, Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sira, Ibn Ishaq, al-Tabari, Sahih Muslim).

Consider the following data from Mohammad’s own confession:

*“I have been ordered by Allah TO FIGHT WITH PEOPLE till they testify there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger.”*Abbas in Sahih al-Bukhari (Pt 1), 13.)

Daniel Ali (a convert to Christianity from Islam) in ‘Inside Islam’ a guide for Catholics (2003) p.122, says that *“When the Muslim declares that Islam is a religion of peace, he is either ignorant of the Koran (& Hadith ) or is extending this “peace” only to those within the Muslim community, without telling you that is the way he means it” *](“…be merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers” Sura 48:29, Sura denotes a verse) In Islam, there exists no true concept of peace between the nonbeliever and the devout Muslim. Peace can only exist for those who follow Islam.”
Daniel asserts that Christians are called to love all people, especially their enemies (Mt 5:44) No other religion makes “the loving of one’s enemies” so essential. Daniel continues to say on pg. 127 “Any religion that, in its scriptures, defines peace as doing violence to its enemies is offering a false peace based on conformity. Christian peace is based on love, which is inclusive, not exclusive, and therefore extends to all genuine peace”. Daniel illustrates the two forms of forgiveness by the two founders of both religions. He refers to Christian forgiveness (which results in peace) in John 7:53-8:11. Jesus Christ tells the Pharisees who were to stone to death a women caught committing adultery, “Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her” then Jesus forgave her with compassionate and peace. On the other hand we see the sharp contrast in Mohammad’s actions as illustrated in the Hadith (Islamic tradition) when (Mohammad) pronounced punishment to the same offence. *“And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her….” *(Hadith Muslim,vol.3, bk17,no.4206)

These examples sum up two radically different understanding of repentance. Jesus accepts the women’s repentance and she is not punished; Mohammad (600 yrs later) orders the stoning of a woman in the same predicament. Daniel concludes that “the core difference between the messages that Christian and Muslim evangelists are spreading around the world today: on is a message of genuine mercy and love, the other is at its core one of fear and punishment”.

Peaceful FINAL Prophet?

"A group of eight men from the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet. So, they said, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Provide us with some milk.’ Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I recommend that you should join the herd of camels.’ So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died." (Hadith, Sahih Bukhari, Vo 4, Bk 52, Nu 261: Narrated by Anas bin Malik.) DO YOU WANT MORE HADITH:

DONT FORGET WHAT ALLAH SAID “If you are in doubt about what We have sent down to you, ask those who were reading scripture (Bible) before you.” (Sura 10:94)

 

[Khalfan]

Nope, that’s not going to wash.

The number of Christian sects and teachings is irrelevant because Christians don’t claim the right to administer the civil government, Islam does and it does so claiming the authority of the Koran and/or Mohammed.

Not in administrative, in religious activities. All of you do claim the Spirit too.

What we Muslims do is not that ‘God is with us’, but the understanding of the teachings.

If you admit to misunderstandings and misinterpretations then you have to give up the claim you are rulings by God’s authority. As I said, you can’t have it both ways, and we learned that in the middle ages.

You are right. Who do rule, will be answerable for his acts in the court of God. Those who follow the teachings of Quran and Sunnah will succeed in afterlife. We can have it both ways and it is proved for last 1500 years. The only religion that gives complete solution for life, is only Islam.

Now you’re arguing in bad faith.

Fatwahs are the scholars authorization to the faithful to take an action that is religiously justified. That is “speaking for Allah” by definition.

Whether it is accepted or rejected is irrelevant to what it is supposed to be.

You are just playing a verbal shell game like claiming you aren’t a perfectionist: you just want things doen “right.”

That is your defenition. None of the scholars ever claimed their words should be followed. It can be accepted or rejected. I follow Sunni fatwas becasue I think learned better that us. But if it is against Quran or Sunnah, I don’t follow.

Even if that is true, which I’m not agreeing to, we believe it’s not up to one person to answer the “who to follow” question for another person, at least in the area of religion, because as you said “there are misunderstandings and misinterpretations.”

That doesn’t invaidate the truth. Did the mystery of trinity ever disproved the truth of God? No.

The true message is Quran. The true example is the life of Prophet (pbuh). The largest sect in Islam ‘Sunni’ follows its teachings. I am one of them. I learn and try to do the best. Let God justify our perfection.

Continued.

 

[obadiah]

What you fail to recognise is that Jesus Christ taught his followers to “love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.” (Matthew 5:44). Notwithstanding Jesus’ clear teaching and example, over the centuries, violence has been committed by those who call themselves “Christians”. Just as there are many who call themselves Muslims who do evil and violence too. It is safe to say that some who call themselves “Christians” do not live according to the teachings of Christ ***yet those Muslims who conform to the aggressive and antagonistic mentality of radical Islam clearly believe that they are imitating the prophet and principles of the Qur’an ***(Sura 9:5, 9:29) and more particularly the traditional aspects of Islam (Hadith e.g. Sunan AbuDawud, Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sira, Ibn Ishaq, al-Tabari, Sahih Muslim).

Consider the following data from Mohammad’s own confession:

*“I have been ordered by Allah TO FIGHT WITH PEOPLE till they testify there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger.”*Abbas in Sahih al-Bukhari (Pt 1), 13.)

Daniel Ali (a convert to Christianity from Islam) in ‘Inside Islam’ a guide for Catholics (2003) p.122, says that *“When the Muslim declares that Islam is a religion of peace, he is either ignorant of the Koran (& Hadith ) or is extending this “peace” only to those within the Muslim community, without telling you that is the way he means it” *](“…be merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers”

Sura 48:29, Sura denotes a verse) In Islam, there exists no true concept of peace between the nonbeliever and the devout Muslim. Peace can only exist for those who follow Islam.”
Daniel asserts that Christians are called to love all people, especially their enemies (Mt 5:44) No other religion makes “the loving of one’s enemies” so essential. Daniel continues to say on pg. 127 “Any religion that, in its scriptures, defines peace as doing violence to its enemies is offering a false peace based on conformity. Christian peace is based on love, which is inclusive, not exclusive, and therefore extends to all genuine peace”. Daniel illustrates the two forms of forgiveness by the two founders of both religions. He refers to Christian forgiveness (which results in peace) in John 7:53-8:11. Jesus Christ tells the Pharisees who were to stone to death a women caught committing adultery, “Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her” then Jesus forgave her with compassionate and peace. On the other hand we see the sharp contrast in Mohammad’s actions as illustrated in the Hadith (Islamic tradition) when (Mohammad) pronounced punishment to the same offence. *“And she was put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her….” *(Hadith Muslim,vol.3, bk17,no.4206)

These examples sum up two radically different understanding of repentance. Jesus accepts the women’s repentance and she is not punished; Mohammad (600 yrs later) orders the stoning of a woman in the same predicament. Daniel concludes that “the core difference between the messages that Christian and Muslim evangelists are spreading around the world today: on is a message of genuine mercy and love, the other is at its core one of fear and punishment”.

Peaceful FINAL Prophet?

"A group of eight men from the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet. So, they said, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Provide us with some milk.’ Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I recommend that you should join the herd of camels.’ So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died." (Hadith, Sahih Bukhari, Vo 4, Bk 52, Nu 261: Narrated by Anas bin Malik.) DO YOU WANT MORE HADITH:

DONT FORGET WHAT ALLAH SAID “If you are in doubt about what We have sent down to you, ask those who were reading scripture (Bible) before you.” (Sura 10:94)

We Christians would never treat our dogs the way you muslims treat human beings.

 

[Sura10_Ayat94]

We Christians would never treat our dogs the way you muslims treat human beings.

I agree, but Mohammad and Muslims don’t.

ASK MOHAMMAD: the examplar for all MANKIND:

Narrated Anas: The Prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of Uraina and did not cauterise (their bleeding limbs) till they died.Volume 8, Book 82, Number 795;

WELL I WILL LET THE GREAT SAINT CONCLUDE:

According to St. Thomas Aquinas’ in his Summa Contra Gentiles ‘Teaching Against the Infidel Mohammed’ said that "He (Mohammed) seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh urges us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected; he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity.
He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the Contrary, Mohammed said that he was sent in the power of his arms - which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants. What is more, no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in him from the beginning (1). Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Mohammed forced others to become his follower’s by the violence of his arms. Nor do divine pronouncements on part of preceding prophets offer him any witness. On the contrary, he perverts almost all the testimony of the Old and the New Testaments by making them into a fabrication of his own, as can be seen by anyone who examines his law. It was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. It is thus clear that those who place faith in his words believe foolishly." - Summa Contra Gentiles, Book 1, Chapter 16, Art. 4. Footnote: 1. Sura 21:5, Sura 44:14; Sura 16:103, Sura 37:36

 

[Booklover]

You are right. Who do rule, will be answerable for his acts in the court of God. Those who follow the teachings of Quran and Sunnah will succeed in afterlife. We can have it both ways and it is proved for last 1500 years. The only religion that gives complete solution for life, is only Islam.

A complete way of life fitted only for robots or zombies! You believe that by being told how to spend the 24 hours in a day by following orders you’re doing something commendable! That’s nonsense! You’re just exonerating yourselves for any responsibility for your actions!

That is not what free will is all about. Any “god” that tells you that you have free will and then denies you the use of it or of making any decisions of your own, is a liar!

Vickie

 

[QuietTimes]

I agree, but Mohammad and Muslims don’t.

ASK MOHAMMAD: the examplar for all MANKIND:

Narrated Anas: The Prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of Uraina and did not cauterise (their bleeding limbs) till they died.Volume 8, Book 82, Number 795;

WELL I WILL LET THE GREAT SAINT CONCLUDE:

According to St. Thomas Aquinas’ in his Summa Contra Gentiles ‘Teaching Against the Infidel Mohammed’ said that "He (Mohammed) seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh urges us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected; he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity.
He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the Contrary, Mohammed said that he was sent in the power of his arms - which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants. What is more, no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in him from the beginning (1). Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Mohammed forced others to become his follower’s by the violence of his arms. Nor do divine pronouncements on part of preceding prophets offer him any witness. On the contrary, he perverts almost all the testimony of the Old and the New Testaments by making them into a fabrication of his own, as can be seen by anyone who examines his law. It was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. It is thus clear that those who place faith in his words believe foolishly." - Summa Contra Gentiles, Book 1, Chapter 16, Art. 4. Footnote: 1. Sura 21:5, Sura 44:14; Sura 16:103, Sura 37:36

Wow St. Thomas was and is right on.

 

[Onesimus]

Islam has nothing to do with those jihadists.

He was a Christian until he die. You can throw him out of Christianity since we don’t agree any Islamic terrorism.

Nice trick. You throw out jihadists that specifically cite the koran, but we can’t throw out Hitler who never cited the Bible for anything.

When did Iraq and Afghan fight U.S.?

When they gave safe haven to Al Qaeda.

How did the God of Bible, dealt with the children and woman captured in the battle during Moses (pbuh) (as it said in bible. Muslims don’t believe that)? Check Numbers 31:1-47.

Fair enough, but how often did they get a direct order from God to war in such a fashion. Furthermore, when did the terrorists get a DIRECT ORDER FROM ALLAH to war in such a fashion?

 

[Booklover]

Islam is a complete way of life. It has its own guidence in every aspect of life. If your religion doesn’t give you that, it is not the problem of Islam.

God gave you a brain, it’s not our fault if you refuse to use it by following orders mindlessly all day! When a religion even has to tell its adherents how to wipe their bottom when they go to the bathroom, they’re well on the way to becoming zombies!

As I quoted in another post:

"Just as excessive intervention by human government would place excessive constraints on social life, so too if the Creator were to prevent men from using their free will in order to avoid their abuse of it, He would be infringing upon the rationality of their nature."

Vickie

 

[estesbob]

THE MOST PEACEFUL CHRISTIANITY.

exchristian.net/exchristian/2002/10/how-many-people-have-been-killed-by.php

List is bogus. note it offers nothing to back up its claims. In fact anyone who took the time to actually read it would know it was bogus just by looking at some of the absurd stats. For instance if over a million women had really been burned at the stake for being witches there would have been hardly any women left in Europe. The figures on the Inquisition are similarly bogus-Scholars agree that the death toll from the Inquisition was between 400 and a thousand.

Of course we don’t have to look at ancient history to determine if Islam is a religion of peace or not:

http://www.ronkin.net/ronkin/digital_photos/family/baby_ronkin/towers_on_fire.jpg

 

[Onesimus]

Not in administrative, in religious activities. All of you do claim the Spirit too.

What we Muslims do is not that ‘God is with us’, but the understanding of the teachings.

Again, you contradict yourself. You divide “administrative” and “religious” when you were bragging earlier on how Islam was complete and didn’t make such divisions as church and state.

You are right. Who do rule, will be answerable for his acts in the court of God. Those who follow the teachings of Quran and Sunnah will succeed in afterlife. We can have it both ways and it is proved for last 1500 years. The only religion that gives complete solution for life, is only Islam.

Why should men have to wait for them to answer in the court of God? We are talking about what Islam does to people in THIS life. All anyone is asking is to be left alone, but Islam won’t do that.

The last 1500 years prove what? How successful Islam has been? What complete solution for life? Everything Islam has today came from someone else. The last significant contribution Islam has made to mankind is over a thousand years old.

That is your defenition. None of the scholars ever claimed their words should be followed. It can be accepted or rejected. I follow Sunni fatwas becasue I think learned better that us. But if it is against Quran or Sunnah, I don’t follow.

Then what is the purpose of issuing fatwahs?

That doesn’t invaidate the truth. Did the mystery of trinity ever disproved the truth of God? No.

The true message is Quran. The true example is the life of Prophet (pbuh). The largest sect in Islam ‘Sunni’ follows its teachings. I am one of them. I learn and try to do the best. Let God justify our perfection.

No, it doesn’t invalidate the truth, but it does invalidate every Islamic sect’s claim to represent the truth. You keep talking about things that are “true,” but you do nothing to show “why” they are true.

If you can’t prove something is true, beyond the shadow of a doubt, you have no reason to force it on others.

 

[chet]

I am sorry. I can’t give you the number of Muslims beheaded in jerusalem during crusades, number of jews beheaded by Hitler. I can’t give you the number of muslims beheaded by U.S. invade in Afghan and Iraq.

There is something Jesus (pbuh) said.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Muslims or Jews never call Jesus (pbuh) ‘Lord, Lord’. Do you call that? Be careful then.

Khalfan, So clearly then we agree that Jesus will conduct the Final Judgment.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven

Implying that most who call Him Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven! Hippocrates who do not, do the will of The Father will not!

John 1:1-3,14,17-18 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. For he Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

											    John 20:27-29

Then He said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

Khalfan, Jesus acknowledges Thomas confession of faith is correct, that He [Jesus] is Lord and God!

Khalfan, Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

Khalfan I believe! Do you?

Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.

Khalfan Are you according to Jesus’ words are you “Blessed”?

 

[chet]

We don’t believe the Angels have the capacity to rebel, in islamic thought the Angels are pure and do not posess free will. They only perform the tasks which they are created for. Satan by the way is of the jinn, a creature of impulse. He used to worship God (not jesus) in the company of the Angels until he Rebelled in pride by not prostrating to Adam and was kicked out of Heaven as a result.

Luke 10:16-19 Jesus said,

“The one who listens to you listens to Me, and the one who rejects you rejects Me; and he who rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me.”
The seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” And He said to them, "I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning. "Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.

 

[Khalfan]

Nice Khalfan, please know your facts! Because I get banned from your Islamic forums for giving ‘tough’ question, we are tolerant with your absurd remarks here, yet we don’t ban you, unlike your faith!

I have been banned many times from this forum.

You may get more anti Islamic quotes from many other sites. Instead, have the guts to discuss it with a muslim scholar.

 

[Khalfan]

I agree, but Mohammad and Muslims don’t.

ASK MOHAMMAD: the examplar for all MANKIND:

Narrated Anas: The Prophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of Uraina and did not cauterise (their bleeding limbs) till they died.Volume 8, Book 82, Number 795;

WELL I WILL LET THE GREAT SAINT CONCLUDE:

According to St. Thomas Aquinas’ in his Summa Contra Gentiles ‘Teaching Against the Infidel Mohammed’ said that "He (Mohammed) seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh urges us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected; he was obeyed by carnal men. As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity.
He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the Contrary, Mohammed said that he was sent in the power of his arms - which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants. What is more, no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in him from the beginning (1). Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Mohammed forced others to become his follower’s by the violence of his arms. Nor do divine pronouncements on part of preceding prophets offer him any witness. On the contrary, he perverts almost all the testimony of the Old and the New Testaments by making them into a fabrication of his own, as can be seen by anyone who examines his law. It was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. It is thus clear that those who place faith in his words believe foolishly." - Summa Contra Gentiles, Book 1, Chapter 16, Art. 4. Footnote: 1. Sura 21:5, Sura 44:14; Sura 16:103, Sura 37:36

Thanks.

 

[Khalfan]

A complete way of life fitted only for robots or zombies! You believe that by being told how to spend the 24 hours in a day by following orders you’re doing something commendable! That’s nonsense! You’re just exonerating yourselves for any responsibility for your actions!

That is not what free will is all about. Any “god” that tells you that you have free will and then denies you the use of it or of making any decisions of your own, is a liar!

Vickie

I live everyday as a Muslim. I know if I am able to use my free will or not. Islam dosn’t force me to live so, but I choose it. Islam tells me, this is right and this is wrong. Choice is mine. You don’t experince it every day, because your religion is not complete.

You don’t even know what God is. You still beleve in a mysterious trinity.