Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

[obadiah]

I live everyday as a Muslim. I know if I am able to use my free will or not. Islam dosn’t force me to live so, but I choose it. Islam tells me, this is right and this is wrong. Choice is mine. You don’t experince it every day, because your religion is not complete.

You don’t even know what God is. You still beleve in a mysterious trinity.

I live everyday as an Orthodox Christian, our Church also has rules, when to fast, how long they are, when married people should or shouldn’t have marital relations, We have midnight prayers, morning prayers, mid-day prayers, afternoon prayers. and evening prayers. You are not alone.
And we DO KNOW who God is The Holy Trinity one in essence and undivided.

 

[Onesimus]

I live everyday as a Muslim. I know if I am able to use my free will or not. Islam dosn’t force me to live so, but I choose it. Islam tells me, this is right and this is wrong. Choice is mine. You don’t experince it every day, because your religion is not complete.

You don’t even know what God is. You still beleve in a mysterious trinity.

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

I’m sure God is tremendously gratified by your service to him when you “wipe” correctly.

Jesus had very definite opinions on “washing the outside of the cup.” Today, we call it “polishing a turd.” If that’s what you consider a “complete” religion: I’ll take “mystery.”

 

[BelFarfalla]

I have been banned many times from this forum.
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If you are banned then how is it that you are still here?

 

[Zooey]

I have been banned many times from this forum.

You may get more anti Islamic quotes from many other sites. Instead, have the guts to discuss it with a muslim scholar.

Oh, really!! How very interesting!!
You do realize, that by posting in circumvention of a ban, that you are in violation of forum rules???

 

[Ilocia]

Oh, really!! How very interesting!!
You do realize, that by posting in circumvention of a ban, that you are in violation of forum rules???

Can I say GOODBYE to him before he really gets banned?

 

[Khalfan]

Bwahahahahahahahaha!

I’m sure God is tremendously gratified by your service to him when you “wipe” correctly.

Jesus had very definite opinions on “washing the outside of the cup.” Today, we call it “polishing a turd.” If that’s what you consider a “complete” religion: I’ll take “mystery.”

Your choice.

 

[Khalfan]

If you are banned then how is it that you are still here?

It took some time to reactivate.

 

[BelFarfalla]

It took some time to reactivate.

Were you just put in ‘time out’ for a while instead of being banned?

 

[thistle]

I live everyday as a Muslim. I know if I am able to use my free will or not. Islam dosn’t force me to live so, but I choose it. Islam tells me, this is right and this is wrong. Choice is mine. You don’t experince it every day, because your religion is not complete.

You don’t even know what God is. You still beleve in a mysterious trinity.

Your religion tells you to murder innocent children.

Our religion tells us to love our enemies and pray for them.

 

[Khalfan]

Nice trick. You throw out jihadists that specifically cite the koran, but we can’t throw out Hitler who never cited the Bible for anything.

As much as we have bad Muslims, you have bad christians too.

When they gave safe haven to Al Qaeda.

May be in Afghan, Taliban (the terrorists. not the civilians) did give them safe haven. The civilians in Afghan and Iraq has nothing to do with Al Qayeda. What made it right to kill them?

Fair enough, but how often did they get a direct order from God to war in such a fashion. Furthermore, when did the terrorists get a DIRECT ORDER FROM ALLAH to war in such a fashion?

They never got any direct order from God. Misinterpretation of Quran makes think that they can kill americans what they are doing is Holy. Just like the US army finds their own reason to invade in middle eastern countries.

 

[Khalfan]

List is bogus. note it offers nothing to back up its claims. In fact anyone who took the time to actually read it would know it was bogus just by looking at some of the absurd stats. For instance if over a million women had really been burned at the stake for being witches there would have been hardly any women left in Europe. The figures on the Inquisition are similarly bogus-Scholars agree that the death toll from the Inquisition was between 400 and a thousand.

Of course we don’t have to look at ancient history to determine if Islam is a religion of peace or not:

http://www.ronkin.net/ronkin/digital_photos/family/baby_ronkin/towers_on_fire.jpg

Have you got only one million woman in europe?

 

[Zooey]

Have you got only one million woman in europe?

In the Middle Ages?? After the ravages of the Black Plague???
Killing a million women??? Whole countries would have ceased to exist!!
You don’t actually imagine that there has been no population increase in a thousand years, do you??? Sheesh!!!

 

[Khalfan]

Again, you contradict yourself. You divide “administrative” and “religious” when you were bragging earlier on how Islam was complete and didn’t make such divisions as church and state.

You divided administrative and religion, to say, you don’t have administrative rules in your religion.

Why should men have to wait for them to answer in the court of God? We are talking about what Islam does to people in THIS life. All anyone is asking is to be left alone, but Islam won’t do that.

Becasue this life is not eternal.

And to remind you, it is not what Islam do to people, but some Muslims do to people. If the discussion is about what Islam do, Who Mohamed (pbuh) is, I am intersted. If it is about what some handful Muslims do, I am not interested.

The last 1500 years prove what? How successful Islam has been? What complete solution for life? Everything Islam has today came from someone else. The last significant contribution Islam has made to mankind is over a thousand years old.

It made a community with least number of criminals, least number of adulters, least number of lesbians, least number of suicide, least number of alcoholics, least number of bastards, least number of divorces (oops you call it annulment), least number of helpless parents, Least number of drug adicts, least number of gamblers…

We don’t mind to adapt good things from others.

Now think about your religion and its contribution. Other than athiests. Most of the Euorpeans are athiests becasue none of them could ever understand the logic of trinity and original sin.

May be other than alcoholic as well. Becasue it is gift of God as per Bible.

Then what is the purpose of issuing fatwahs?

You are a scholar in Islamic studies. Don’t you know what is Fatwas?

Fatwaas are the statements of islaimc scholars on dau to day issues. They do it after study and research on teachings of Islam. No one is allowed to give fatwaas which is against the fundamentals of Islam mentioned in Quran and Sunnah. Today there are few people think themself capable enough to give fatwaas and they give it. Their may be some to follow that but not all the muslims. Ex. Al Qaeda Fatwaas to kill innocents in U.S. Shiite fatwaas to allow one day marriage.

No, it doesn’t invalidate the truth, but it does invalidate every Islamic sect’s claim to represent the truth. You keep talking about things that are “true,” but you do nothing to show “why” they are true.

If you can’t prove something is true, beyond the shadow of a doubt, you have no reason to force it on others.

I don’t force it on others. Not every Islamic sects. But many who claim to be Islamic. The truth is Quran and Sunnah. I follow that.

 

[Khalfan]

In the Middle Ages?? After the ravages of the Black Plague???
Killing a million women??? Whole countries would have ceased to exist!!
You don’t actually imagine that there has been no population increase in a thousand years, do you??? Sheesh!!!

Plague? It supposed to come when Christians do something seriously wrong. right? Just like the below.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Yaa… it is impossible for those to imagine one million heathy women in all europe in middle ages, who says the earth itself is only 6000 year old, who says each and every animal pairs could enter into a small ship.

 

[Eden]

Yaa… it is impossible for those to imagine one million heathy women in all europe in middle ages, who says the earth itself is only 6000 year old, who says each and every animal pairs could enter into a small ship.

You are mistaking us with “bible literalists”.

 

[Eden]

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church (regarding Sacred Scripture):

The senses of Scripture

**115 **According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two *senses *of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.

**116 **The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: "All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal."83

**117 **The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God’s plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.

1. The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ’s victory and also of Christian Baptism.84
2. The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written “for our instruction”.85
3. The anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, “leading”). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.86
   **118 **A medieval couplet summarizes the significance of the four senses:
   The Letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith;
   The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny.87vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s1c2a3.htm

 

[Zooey]

Plague? It supposed to come when Christians do something seriously wrong. right? Just like the below.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,** If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:**

No, no…you misunderstand!!! It is not a question of “Christians doing something seriously wrong”! It is a question of God “add[ing] unto him the plagues that are written in this book”…Like, you see, someone claiming to have a new & later revelation from God…hmmmm…Let me see…Oh! I have the perfect example:
Like, Mohammed writing the Koran!!
There is a curse on **anyone **doing that sort of thing!! That is where the plagues come in.

Yaa… it is impossible for those to imagine one million heathy women in all europe in middle ages, who says the earth itself is only 6000 year old, who says each and every animal pairs could enter into a small ship.

Oh, for the love of mike!! You don’t seriously think that Christians believe any such thing???:whacky: 6000 years old??? Small ship???
Sheesh!!:nope: You really need to:tsktsk: spend some more time reading, before you start posting!! :doh2: Ye dinnae ha’e a clue, laddie; ye dinnae ha’e a clue!!! :dts:

 

[Khalfan]

No, no…you misunderstand!!! It is not a question of “Christians doing something seriously wrong”! It is a question of God “add[ing] unto him the plagues that are written in this book”…Like, you see, someone claiming to have a new & later revelation from God…hmmmm…Let me see…Oh! I have the perfect example:
Like, Mohammed writing the Koran!!
There is a curse on **anyone **doing that sort of thing!! That is where the plagues come in.

Quran isn’t something added into REVELATIONS or to Bible.

I think they are supposed to get plague who revised King James Version Bible 5 Times. They always add and remove words from it. Other versions like NIV and ASB have added and removed many chapters itself. I think all they have died of plague. right?

Oh, for the love of mike!! You don’t seriously think that Christians believe any such thing???:whacky: 6000 years old??? Small ship???
Sheesh!!:nope: You really need to:tsktsk: spend some more time reading, before you start posting!! :doh2: Ye dinnae ha’e a clue, laddie; ye dinnae ha’e a clue!!! :dts:

Reading will help you too.

 

[Khalfan]

You are mistaking us with “bible literalists”.

I am sorry. I didn’t know, you don’t believe what Bible says. I didn’t know, you don’t take anything ‘literally’.

 

[BelFarfalla]

I am sorry. I didn’t know, you don’t believe what Bible says. I didn’t know, you don’t take anything ‘literally’.

You are of course familiar with different types of speach/writing such as allegory, metaphor and parable. The Qur’an is full of these too.