Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

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Quran isn’t something added into REVELATIONS or to Bible.
Not the book of Revelation, sport; there will be no more public revelations to the world. The Bible denounces the Koran, before the Koran exists.
I think they are supposed to get plague who revised King James Version Bible 5 Times. They always add and remove words from it. Other versions like NIV and ASB have added and removed many chapters itself. I think all they have died of plague. right?
You think?? And where did you get this from??
In any case, those words were present in the original Greek, & in the Latin, long before there was English, much less a Bible in English!!
Reading will help you too.
Good!! I’ve been reading for 56 years now. Must be a:thumbsup: bloody genius by now!!!
 
I live everyday as a Muslim. I know if I am able to use my free will or not. Islam doesn’t force me to live so, but I choose it. Islam tells me, this is right and this is wrong. Choice is mine. You don’t experience it every day, because your religion is not complete.

You don’t even know what God is. You still believe in a mysterious trinity.
Genesis 1:26
Then God said,
“Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
Khalfan If God Is 1 (singular);Then why would God refer to Himself as Our (plural); not once but twice?“Our image”,“Our likeness”, Because God is One, a unitive mystery!
The Nicene Creed
We believe in God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, His only son our Lord, Eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, light from light, true God from true God. Begotten not made, one in being with the Father, Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven. By the power of the Holy Spirit, He was born of the Virgin Mary and became man; For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate, suffered, died and was buried; On the third day rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father, From there He shall come to judge the living and the dead, and His Kingdom will have no end. We in the Holy Spirit, the Lord the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, with the Father and the Son He is worshiped and glorified, He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."
 
Khalfan, So clearly then we agree that Jesus will conduct the Final Judgment. Implying that most who call Him Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven! Hippocrates who do not, do the will of The Father will not! John 20:27-29 Khalfan, Jesus acknowledges Thomas confession of faith is correct, that He [Jesus] is Lord and God! Khalfan I believe! Do you? Khalfan Are you according to Jesus’ words are you “Blessed”?
Khalfan please respond to post #496 in its entirety, as well as #521.
 
I am sorry. I didn’t know, you don’t believe what Bible says. I didn’t know, you don’t take anything ‘literally’.
This is an example I have heard used on EWTN…

Person says “Its raining dogs and cats outside”

The literalist will expect that when he goes outside he will see dogs and cats coming down from the sky

A person who takes it literally will understand that it is raining heavily outside.

We interrupt the bible literally not as literealist. In other words, as the authors intent of what he was trying to convey as God’s truth
 
I don’t force it on others. Not every Islamic sects. But many who claim to be Islamic. The truth is Quran and Sunnah. I follow that.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him,
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.
Psalm 2:7-12
“I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You. 'Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance, And the very ends of the earth as Your possession. ‘You shall break them with a rod of iron, You shall shatter them like earthenware.’” Now therefore, O kings, show discernment; Take warning, O judges of the earth. Worship the LORD with reverence And rejoice with trembling. Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!
John 6:44-45
"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. "It is written in the prophets, ‘AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.
1 John 2:22-24
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.
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 Hebrews 1:5
For to which of the angels did He ever say," YOU ARE MY SON,TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again," I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
Hebrews 1:13
But to which of the angels has He ever said," SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET"?
 
Acts 2:14-43
But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven, raised his voice and declared to them: "Men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, let this be known to you and give heed to my words.
"For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only the third hour of the day; but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: ‘AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,’ God says, 'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND; AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS,
AND YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS; EVEN ON MY BONDSLAVES, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, I WILL IN THOSE DAYS POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT And they shall prophesy. 'AND I WILL GRANT WONDERS IN THE SKY ABOVE AND IGNS ON THE EARTH BELOW, BLOOD, AND FIRE, AND VAPOR OF SMOKE. 'THE SUN WILL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, BEFORE THE GREAT AND GLORIOUS DAY OF THE LORD SHALL COME. ‘AND IT SHALL BE THAT (V)EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.’ "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know-- this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death. "But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power. "For David says of Him, 'I SAW THE LORD ALWAYS IN MY PRESENCE; FOR HE IS AT MY RIGHT HAND, SO THAT I WILL NOT BE SHAKEN. ‘THEREFORE MY HEART WAS GLAD AND MY TONGUE EXULTED; MOREOVER MY FLESH ALSO WILL LIVE IN HOPE; BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY. ‘YOU HAVE MADE KNOWN TO ME THE WAYS OF LIFE; YOU WILL MAKE ME FULL OF GLADNESS WITH YOUR PRESENCE.’ "Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. "And so, because he was a prophet and knew that GOD HAD SWORN TO HIM WITH AN OATH TO SEAT one OF HIS DESCENDANTS ON HIS THRONE, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that HE WAS NEITHER ABANDONED TO HADES, NOR DID His flesh SUFFER DECAY. "This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. "Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. "For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: ‘THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, “SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET.”’ "Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ–this Jesus whom you crucified."The Ingathering Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brethren, what shall we do?” Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. “For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.” And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation!” So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls. They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
Everyone kept feeling a sense of awe; and many wonders and signs were taking place through the apostles.
 
If you research well the lives of our holy catholic saints, all agree that islam is a false religion concocted by lucifer with the permission of God for the scourage of Christianity due to our sins.

In the middle east European pilgrims visiting the holy land were harrassed, murdered, robbed, taken into slavery by the arabs and muslims which then gave rise to the crusades WHAT!!! You think the crusades appeared out of thin air with no cause?? NO!! The crusades were a DEFENSIVE reaction.:knight1:
 
From: dosdog2 (Original Message) Sent: 5/16/2007 5:09 PM
So what is the truth about the Crusades? Scholars are still working some of that out. But much can already be said with certainty. For starters, the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars. They were a direct response to Muslim aggression—an attempt to turn back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.

Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means of Muslim expansion was always the sword. Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianity—and for that matter any other non-Muslim religion—has no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years

Whether we admire the Crusaders or not, it is a fact that the world we know today would not exist without their efforts. The ancient faith of Christianity, with its respect for women and antipathy toward slavery, not only survived but flourished. Without the Crusades, it might well have followed Zoroastrianism, another of Islam’s rivals, into extinction.

crisismagazine.com/april2002/cover.htm

Myth 1: The Crusades were wars of unprovoked aggression against a peaceful Muslim world.

Myth 2: The Crusaders wore crosses, but they were really only interested in capturing booty and land. Their pious platitudes were just a cover for rapacious greed.

Myth 3: When the Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099 they massacred every man, woman, and child in the city until the streets ran ankle deep with the blood

Myth 4: The Crusades were just medieval colonialism dressed up in religious finery

Myth 5: The Crusades were also waged against the Jews.

Myth 6: The Crusades were so corrupt and vile that they even had a Children’s Crusade.

Myth 7: Pope John Paul II apologized for the Crusades

Myth 8: Muslims, who remember the Crusades vividly, have good reason to hate the West

ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/print2005/tmadden_crusades_print.html

In Summary
Muhammad never finalized how the Qur’an was to be recited and allowed variation. There were real variations in the way the Qur’an was being memorized and recited after Muhammad’s death. This caused problems.

Uthman and a team of others did a certain amount of editing to produce a standard text of the Qur’an. Then Uthman ordered that all other Qur’ans be burnt and his version be made the only standard version for the Muslim world. Oral and written tradition now had to conform to Uthman’s standard version.
Some of the Companions, like Ibn Mas’ud, were not happy with Uthman’s actions and suffered for it.

Conclusion
At the beginning of this article we considered the following claims:
The text of the Qur’an is entirely reliable. It has been as it is, unaltered, unedited, not tampered with in any way, since the time of its revelation. (M. Fethullah Gulen, Questions this Modern Age Puts to Islam. London: Truestar, 1993. p.58)

It (the Qur’an) was memorised by Mohammed and then dictated to his companions, and written down by scribes, who cross-checked it during his lifetime. Not one word of its 114 chapters (suras) have ever been changed over the centuries. (Understanding Islam and the Muslims, The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils Inc. (pamphlet) Nov. 1991).

Having now read many of the hadiths and other sources it is obvious that these Muslim claims are an exaggeration and have no support at all from the authoritative hadiths. In fact the hadiths record the opposite. They say that Muhammad never standardized the Qur’an and allowed variation and that the early Muslims memorized the Qur’an slightly differently. Then Uthman and a team of others edited and standardized one version of the Qur’an and had all others burnt. I have no doubt that the collection of the Qur’an that Uthman made is one good record of what Muhammad recited. However it was not the only good collection that was made, and it was not a collection made by Muhammad.

answering-islam.org/Green/uthman.htm
answering-islam.org/Nehls/tt1/tt4.html
BRAVO!!! :knight2:
 
So you’re reduced to equating buying swords for self-defense (and never once using it - neither Jesus nor any of his disciples used a sword in anger afak) with Muhammad actually ordering his men to kill and rob and torture and rape.

Is that the moral equivalence you’re making, Khalfan?

If it is, it isn’t working. But that’s the standard Muslim line isn’t it - to make out that Jesus was as morally reprehensible as Muhammad because he told his followers to buy 2, yes 2, swords for self-defense.

I think there’s something wrong with your moral compass.
 
I can’t say that muhammad is in hell, but The Catholic Church teaches that we can have a 'Moral Certainty" that a person is in hell.

I HAVE A MORAL CERTAINTY THAT MUHUMMED IS DAMNED!!!

and the writings of the SAINTS back this up!!!
 
Khalfan, So clearly then we agree that Jesus will conduct the Final Judgment.
He too will be their in the day of judgement. When you people will go after him, he gonna ask you to stay away. The reason is below.
Implying that most who call Him Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven! Hippocrates who do not, do the will of The Father will not!
Did the father ever tell you to worship Jesus (pbuh)?? Did the father ever tell you, Jesus (pbuh) is GOD too??

Will of the Father is to worship the ONE and ONLY God, the first commandment (Duet 6:4). Jesus (pbuh) said the same in Mark 10:17-18. Many times Jesus (pbuh) spoke about his God. Many times he prayed to the same God. Do you follow Jesus (pbuh) who did exactly the will of Father?? If not, you will have to step away.
John 20:27-29
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:…

Jesus (pbuh) wasn’t supposed to be touched by anyone until he ascend to Father as per 20:17. But suprisingly, he change his mind and asked Thomas to touch him.

No any commonsense can accept the resurrection story. Becasue it is hell of contradictions. The whole story in Mark (16:9-20) is fabrication as per scholars who wrote NIV Bible.

Some more contradictions.

A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?

• They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)

• As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)

When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

• Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)

• On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me… (John 20:11 to 17)

There was only one Jesus (pbuh). But if there was 100 gospels, we could find 150 stories of resurrection. Fortunatly, there is only 4 Gospels and a story by Paul, so that we have only 5 or 6 stories about it.
Khalfan, Jesus acknowledges Thomas confession of faith is correct, that He [Jesus] is Lord and God!
Same Jesus (pbuh) said about his Lord and God. I prefer that God to worship becasue he [Jesus (pbuh)] prefered that God to worship.

John 20:17 …I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Mark 12:29 …The Lord our God is one Lord:
Khalfan I believe! Do you? Khalfan Are you according to Jesus’ words are you “Blessed”?
Indeed. I accept the mesasge of Jesus (pbuh). The message of One and Only God he worshiped.
 
Khalfan, everything you believe comes from Mohammed. Every teaching of Islam can squarely be traced to “Mohammed said so”. Just who do you think you’re convincing, here?
 
Bwahahahahahahahaha!

I’m sure God is tremendously gratified by your service to him when you “wipe” correctly.

Jesus had very definite opinions on “washing the outside of the cup.” Today, we call it “polishing a turd.” If that’s what you consider a “complete” religion: I’ll take “mystery.”
Your choice again.
 
Not the book of Revelation, sport; there will be no more public revelations to the world. The Bible denounces the Koran, before the Koran exists.
No. Jesus (pbuh) promised the consular who will speak according to God and who will teach everything that he [Jesus (pbuh)] didn’t.
You think?? And where did you get this from??
In any case, those words were present in the original Greek, & in the Latin, long before there was English, much less a Bible in English!!
The words that you add and remove is there in the original? Then how many originals you have?
Good!! I’ve been reading for 56 years now. Must be a:thumbsup: bloody genius by now!!!
Start from Genesis once again.

It says, the sun was created on the third day (Genesis 1:13-18), how possibly the first 2 days and nights came into existence without the sun? May be God was the source of the light for the first two days; but the earth doesn’t move/rotate (1 Chr 16:30, Psalms 93:1, 96:10), how the day and night, morning and evening happened without rotating?
 
Genesis 1:26
Then God said,Khalfan If God Is 1 (singular);Then why would God refer to Himself as Our (plural); not once but twice?“Our image”,“Our likeness”, Because God is One, a unitive mystery!
The Nicene Creed
In the Old Testament, the Jews refer to God as “Elohiym” {el-o-heem}. “Elohiym” is the plural form of “'elowahh” {el-o’-ah}, which means “God”. Check the Hebrew version of the same Genesis 1:26 which says Elohim for God, in “GOD SAID”. In the ‘original’ it is plural as ELOHIYM. But in English translation, it is GOD instead of GODS (plural). Why??

Either all the translation is wrong or the word ‘Elohiym’ doesn’t mean GODS.

Even the Queen of England does say ''We the leader of this great nation…".

In the Eerdmans Bible Dictionary we read the following explanation of the word “Elohiym”:

“As a name or designation of the God of Israel, the term is understood as a plural of majesty or an intensive plural, indicating the fullness of the supreme (or only) God … the canonical intent is clearly monotheistic, even where the accompanying verbs or adjectives are grammatically plural (e.g. Gen. 20:13, Exod. 22:9 [Mt 8])”

Eerdmans Bible Dictionary, edited by Allen C. Myers, William B. Eerdmans Publishers, p. 331

You hold to “Us and Our” and ignore what God said about himself that he is one and only (Duet 6:4).
 
This is an example I have heard used on EWTN…

Person says “Its raining dogs and cats outside”

The literalist will expect that when he goes outside he will see dogs and cats coming down from the sky

A person who takes it literally will understand that it is raining heavily outside.

We interrupt the bible literally not as literealist. In other words, as the authors intent of what he was trying to convey as God’s truth
How do you interpret the words of Jesus in John 20:17 “…to my God and your God”?

Can God have another God?

How do you interpret the words of Jesus in Matthew 26:39 “…Yet not as I will, but as you will”?

Can ‘Gods’ have different wills?
 
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