Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

[Khalfan]

So you agree that all teachings of Islam are based on “Mohammed said so”?

The life of all Muslims are based on the life and teachings of Mohamed (pbuh). He is the role model for us.

 

[Khalfan]

Another good point is Mary wanted to kiss Jesus’s feet, but He is referring to himself as brothers so that is what He told her to tell the disciples because of His resurrection of His flesh they share the same Father as He and the Father are one again. The ressurrection and asscention being considered as one in the same.

Jesus is accepting the “cup” of His destiny.
The death of one for the slavation of many.

There is a story of a priest but could be of other peacefull christian doing the will of God melding with the same desire and devotion serving and ministering to souls, he worked within a drug culture , like LA , trying to reach one or few, and knew someday they would quite possibly kill him, but he still went, and within two years they did just that.

What do you think God’s will was?

Dessert

Which God, the Son or the Father? The son wanted to be saved. And the Father wanted to kill him for other souls, while he himself teached no soul will die for the sin of others. The soul that sin, shall die, in Ezekiel 18:20.

 

[Verisimilitude]

The life of all Muslims are based on the life and teachings of Mohamed (pbuh). He is the role model for us.

That is the problem.

We know many of the same things, but draw different conclusions about the man.

 

[chet]

What was Jesus (pbuh), a human or God?

Jesus is100% eternal God; Who also became 100% true man! While remaining 100% True God. A tremendous mystery! Philippians 2:5-7

Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

John 1:1-3,14,17-18

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. For he Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

 

[Khalfan]

Khalfan You want it you got it!1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

Prophet (pbuh) never denied Jesus (pbuh) or God, but never accepted them as One God. Even Jesus (pbuh) never said he is God or He and God is one in essence (but one in purpose). But you made them one which is a lie.

That would make Mohammad a liar and the antichrist according to scripture.
1 John 4:2-3 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus, is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

How much you want it to be clear that the writer of 1 John is a liar?!!!

Throughout the book he is trying to promote Jesus (pbuh) as God and to imply trinity. 1John 5:7, the very famous quote of evidence for trinity is already been thrown out of Bible. Don’t see that!!!

That would mean what ever spirit that spoke to Mohammad was not from God, and it was the spirit of the antichrist according to scripture.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

Same as above.

Again Mohammad is the deceiver and the antichrist according to scripture.
John 14:6 "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Did Mohammad go to the Father but through Jesus? If not according to scripture he did not go to God.

Going through Jesus (pbuh) doesn’t mean, going through his belly my dear. It means to accept Jesus (pbuh) and his message. Mohamed (pbuh) did just that. He preached the same message of one God that Jesus (pbuh) preached. He worshiped the same God that Jesus (pbuh) worshiped.

John 5:22-24 "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

This is the problem with you when you read Bible. You accept the words of the writer as the words of Jesus (pbuh). Only the bolded words are from Jesus (pbuh) and sutes very much to any messenger of God.

Could be bad news for Mohammad a liar and the antichrist according to scripture.
Psalm 2:12 Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!

I think the son is Mohamed (pbuh).

 

[chet]

Which God, the Son or the Father? The son wanted to be saved. And the Father wanted to kill him for other souls, while he himself teached no soul will die for the sin of others. The soul that sin, shall die, in Ezekiel 18:20.

Why were the Jews Commanded by God through Moses to make blood sacrifices of animals?

 

[chet]

Prophet (pbuh) never denied Jesus (pbuh) or God, but never accepted them as One God. Even Jesus (pbuh) never said he is God or He and God is one in essence (but one in purpose). But you made them one which is a lie.

How much you want it to be clear that the writer of 1 John is a liar?!!!

Throughout the book he is trying to promote Jesus (pbuh) as God and to imply trinity. 1John 5:7, the very famous quote of evidence for trinity is already been thrown out of Bible. Don’t see that!!!

Same as above.

Going through Jesus (pbuh) doesn’t mean, going through his belly my dear. It means to accept Jesus (pbuh) and his message. Mohamed (pbuh) did just that. He preached the same message of one God that Jesus (pbuh) preached. He worshiped the same God that Jesus (pbuh) worshiped.

This is the problem with you when you read Bible. You accept the words of the writer as the words of Jesus (pbuh). Only the bolded words are from Jesus (pbuh) and sutes very much to any messenger of God.

I think the son is Mohamed (pbuh).

John 8:16

"But even if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone in it, but I and the Father who sent Me.

John 10:30

" I and the Father are One."

I believe the testimony of so many of the people who saw and heard Jesus first hand! I believe them! Not Mohammad’s testimony who came along 600 years later claiming they had lied,and claiming he was as great or greater than Jesus!!!

 

[exoflare]

The life of all Muslims are based on the life and teachings of Mohamed (pbuh). He is the role model for us.

That much is true. Muslims should not claim that they base any of their teachings on what previous “prophets” said or did, however, as they don’t even look at the real accounts of those people - they will only believe what Mohammed told them about these “prophets” even when it contradicts history itself.

 

[estesbob]

What was Jesus (pbuh), a human or God?

Both

 

[chet]

1 John 5:9-11

If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son. The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

khalfan:

The life of all Muslims are based on the life and teachings of Mohamed (pbuh). He is the role model for us.

I know Muhammad is a role model for you. That’s why you Muslim have no problems with:

1. killing disbelievers for the sole reason of not converting to Islam
2. murdering political opponents
3. beheading unarmed prisoners of war
4. torturing unarmed prisoners of war
5. thieving
6. raping female captives
7. polygamy
8. lechery
9. pedophilia
10. ethnic-cleansing.

so long as it is you who are doing these things. But you howl like a banshee if you were ever in the receiving end.

Typical, really.

 

[chet]

1 John 5:9-11

If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son. The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

Luke 3:22

and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, " You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased."

Mark 9:7

Then a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud, " This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!"

2 Peter 1:16-18

For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, “This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased”-- and we ourselves heard this utterance made from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.

“we were eyewitnesses” Would be Jesus’ apostles; Peter,James and John. We have eyewitnesses who heard God the Father speak of Jesus Identity! What about Mohammad?

 

[chet]

Khalfan I’m sure you’ve read this account of the crucifixion of Jesus haven’t you…

Let us therefore lie in wait for the just, because he is not for our turn, and he is contrary to our doings, and upbraided us with transgressions of the law, and divulged against us the sins of our way of life. He boasts that he hath the knowledge of God, and calls himself the Son of God. He is become a censurer of our thoughts. He is grievous unto us, even to behold: for his life is not like other men’s, and his ways are very different. We are esteemed by him as triflers, and he abstains from our ways as from filthiness, and he prefers the latter end of the just, and glories that he hath God for his father. Let us see then if his words be true, and let us prove what shall happen to him, and we shall know what his end shall be. For if he be the true son of God, he will defend him, and will deliver him from the hands of his enemies. Let us examine him by outrages and tortures, that we may know his meekness and try his patience. Let us condemn him to a most shameful death: for there shall be respect had unto him by his words. These things they thought, and were deceived: for their own malice blinded them. And they knew not the secrets of God, nor hoped for the wages of justice, nor esteemed the honor of holy souls. For God created man incorruptible, and to the image of his own likeness he made him. But by the envy of the devil, death came into the world: And they follow him that are of his side. As a result of the anguish of His soul, He will see it and be satisfied; By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many, As He will bear their iniquities.They open wide their mouth at me, As a ravening and a roaring lion. I am poured out like water, And all my bones are out of joint; My heart is like wax; It is melted within me. My strength is dried up like a potsherd, And my tongue cleaves to my jaws; And You lay me in the dust of death. For dogs have surrounded me; A band of evildoers has encompassed me; They pierced my hands and my feet. I can count all my bones. They look, they stare at me; They divide my garments among them, And for my clothing they cast lots.But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.

 

[Khalfan]

Why were the Jews Commanded by God through Moses to make blood sacrifices of animals?

I don’t know. Anyway that is illogic. Because when God knows that Jesus (pbuh) is the perfect sacrifice for the sin of entire humanity (as per christianity), God wasn’t supposed to demand any animal sacrifices to forgive sin.

Do you say Ezekiel 18:20 is wrong?

You still have to answer the question, why Jesus (pbuh) and God had different wills as per Bible? Son wanted to be saved and father wanted him to die.

 

[Khalfan]

I know Muhammad is a role model for you. That’s why you Muslim have no problems with:

1. killing disbelievers for the sole reason of not converting to Islam
2. murdering political opponents
3. beheading unarmed prisoners of war
4. torturing unarmed prisoners of war
5. thieving
6. raping female captives
7. polygamy
8. lechery
9. pedophilia
10. ethnic-cleansing.

so long as it is you who are doing these things. But you howl like a banshee if you were ever in the receiving end.

Typical, really.

Again? No. You don’t deserve an answer. Each and every topic is already explained very well.

 

[Khalfan]

Both

Did the man know the God in him?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Again? No. You don’t deserve an answer. Each and every topic is already explained very well.

Unfortunately your ‘answers’ are unacceptable. Our moral perspectives are diametrically opposite as I do not consider any of the above acts can ever be ‘explained away’.

You can never explain to a disbeliever that a true prophet can ever do anything like that. There simply is no valid excuse or context that justifies such acts.

You can shout till you’re blue in the face but you’re basically arguing black is white, and evil is good. If you think those are good or excusable then you’re truly unable to face up to the immorality of your prophet.

If killing people is acceptable what constitutes evil in your book? Do you think it is moral to kill people solely for disbelief? How about it someone kills your people for the same reason?

 

[Khalfan]

That much is true. Muslims should not claim that they base any of their teachings on what previous “prophets” said or did, however, as they don’t even look at the real accounts of those people - they will only believe what Mohammed told them about these “prophets” even when it contradicts history itself.

No. It never contradicts. Before that, the account of previous prophets that you have in Bible, is not correct. No one knows who wrote those books and for what purpose. There are many rules and commands that would never come from an almighty God. God wouldn’t support slavery, killing of infants, children, ethnic cleansing etc.

But one thing is very clear; none of them ever taught trinity, but ONE GOD. And each prophet (pbut) had his own people he came to. Jesus (pbuh) too said the same.

Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

Their teachigs were for only to those people. It is only Mohamed (pbuh) that claimed he and his message is for entire humanity.

 

[Montalban]

No. It never contradicts. Before that, the account of previous prophets that you have in Bible, is not correct. No one knows who wrote those books and for what purpose. There are many rules and commands that would never come from an almighty God. God wouldn’t support slavery, killing of infants, children, ethnic cleansing etc.

If you don’t know the purpose of the books of the Bible, then how can the Koran claim it to be God’s message?

5:47 Let the people of the Injeel (Gospel) judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed (then) such (people) are the Fasiqun (the rebellious i.e. disobedient (of a lesser degree) to Allah.

48 And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad ) the Book (this Qur’an) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it

You can either argue that the Scripture mentioned is the same as what we have in the Bible, or not. If ‘not’ then what’s the point in ‘confirming’ something that doesn’t exist?

It’d be like me saying “This book confirms that the great Yowie had grey eyes.” How do we know? My book says so! Circular logic.

21:7 And We sent not before you (O Muhammad ) but men to whom We inspired, so ask the people of the Reminder [Scriptures - the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel)] if you do not know.

 

[Khalfan]

You can shout till you’re blue in the face but you’re basically arguing black is white, and evil is good. If you think those are good or excusable then you’re truly unable to face up to the immorality of your prophet.

You are turning away from a simple fact. Moral values chages country to country, time to time, people to people, generation to generation. Forcing rape victims to marry the rapist is moral in Christianity but not for others. Child marriages is happening in some tribes in India even today. It is moral for them but not for all. It was moral until last century but not now. Being nude in beach is allowed in many europian country but not in India or many other country. Lesbian marriage is legal and moral in some countries but not in others. Prostitution is moral for prostitutes all over the world (The most number of prostitutes are in europe). Now you tell me, how you justify these moral values existing today in many countries? Then we will talk about the morality now and 1500 years ago.

If killing people is acceptable what constitutes evil in your book? Do you think it is moral to kill people solely for disbelief? How about it someone kills your people for the same reason?

I hope yo know this book and the religion it is Holy for.

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12)

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)

Continued.