Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

[Khalfan]

Continued.

Kill Followers of Other Religions

1. If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)
2. Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5)

Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16)

God Kills Some More

Then the LORD said to me, "Even if Moses and Samuel stood before me pleading for these people, I wouldn’t help them. Away with them! Get them out of my sight! And if they say to you, ‘But where can we go?’ tell them, ‘This is what the LORD says: Those who are destined for death, to death; those who are destined for war, to war; those who are destined for famine, to famine; those who are destined for captivity, to captivity.’ “I will send four kinds of destroyers against them,” says the LORD. “I will send the sword to kill, the dogs to drag away, the vultures to devour, and the wild animals to finish up what is left. Because of the wicked things Manasseh son of Hezekiah, king of Judah, did in Jerusalem, I will make my people an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth (What does that mean? ).” (Jeremiah 15:1-4)

If killing people is acceptable what constitutes evil in your book? Do you think it is moral to kill people solely for disbelief? How about it someone kills your people for the same reason? (It is my turn)

 

[Khalfan]

1 John 5:9-11

He is a liar. It already been proved.

Luke 3:22, Mark 9:7, 2 Peter 1:16-18

“we were eyewitnesses” Would be Jesus’ apostles; Peter,James and John. We have eyewitnesses who heard God the Father speak of Jesus Identity! What about Mohammad?

Does that make him GOD? Equal to God? Partner of God? You believe in tri-unity. If that is true, God said ‘he is pleased with himself’!! Is that what you understand from those verses?

Someone else too were recognised in the same way.

“…Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.” -Psalms 2:7

David too was begotten Son of God. Was he God? One in tri-unity? I think you will say, but there was no eyewitnesses.

Even if Jesus (pbuh) was called a God, he cannot be God since he himself said,

Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods (previous prophets)? If he (GOD) called them (the Prophets) gods(!!!), unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?” –John 10:34-36

Jesus (pbuh) compared himself with previous SONS of GOD.

 

[Booklover]

He is a liar. It already been proved.

You keep claiming that everyone else is a liar! How do you know that Muhammad is not a liar?? You’ve accepted blindly everything he said with absolutely no proof! He lived a very unholy life. He has been accused of the following, and you keep insisting that he is a “prophet” of God!

rapist
**a pedophile **(had sex with a child)
an assassin
a mass murderer
a ruthless torturer
**a terrorist **(I have been made victorious through terror)
a lecher
a misogynist
a narcissist
a thief and plunderer
**a cult leader **
a mentally deranged (was paranoid, heard voices, hallucinated of seeing jinns, Satan and angels, used to think he had sex with his wives when he did not, suffered from depression and had suicidal tendencies).

looting

assassinations

How can you keep claiming that this “monster” is from God?

Vickie

 

[Verisimilitude]

I think the son is Mohamed (pbuh).

I think such statements as the above, and another you made about Mohammad being the role model for all Muslims is the very reason there will never be a peacefull coexistance between the two faiths, much less any non-Mohammedan.

 

[Booklover]

I think such statements as the above, and another you made about Mohammad being the role model for all Muslims is the very reason there will never be a peacefull coexistance between the two faiths, much less any non-Mohammedan.

Exactly!

Vickie

 

[adrift]

I and the Father are one." The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” (John 10:30-33)

This is what you left out of your quote. Jesus said other things as well like the following

"

You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple. (John 8:57-59)

He couldn’t be clearer in saying that He is God.

He is a liar. It already been proved.

You have stated it but not proved it.

 

[estesbob]

Did the man know the God in him?

Yes-Jesus knew he was God

 

[chet]

Khalfan;2452886]He is a liar. It already been proved.

What proof ??

Does that make him GOD? Equal to God? Partner of God? You believe in tri-unity. If that is true, God said ‘he is pleased with himself’!! Is that what you understand from those verses?

You always seek to put limits on what God can and can’t do as if God is subject to the universe He created!!!

Someone else too were recognised in the same way.

“…Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.” -Psalms 2:7

David too was begotten Son of God. Was he God? One in tri-unity? I think you will say, but there was no eyewitnesses.

David was not writing of himself but prophesying of Jesus!!!

Even if Jesus (pbuh) was called a God, he cannot be God since he himself said,

Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods (previous prophets)? If he (GOD) called them (the Prophets) gods(!!!), unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?” –John 10:34-36

Jesus (pbuh) compared himself with previous SONS of GOD

.Jesus was defending himself because it was not yet the appointed time for his death! Who is Jesus comparing himself with here?
John 10:30

" I and the Father are One."

The Jews understood what Jesus was telling them why don’t you? John 10:33

The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”

2 Peter 1:16-18

“we were eyewitnesses”

Would be Jesus’ apostles; Peter,James and John. We have eyewitnesses who heard God the Father speak of Jesus Identity! What about Mohammad?

For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, “This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased”-- and we ourselves heard this utterance made from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.

Again where are those who heard God utterance to Mohammad if he is equal to or greater than Jesus?

 

[MHalsey]

Even if Jesus (pbuh) was called a God, he cannot be God since he himself said,

Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods (previous prophets)? If he (GOD) called them (the Prophets) gods(!!!), unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?” –John 10:34-36

Jesus (pbuh) compared himself with previous SONS of GOD.

Continuing on what Chet has posted, let’s put the quote in context:

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’?
35 If it calls them gods to whom the word of God came, and scripture cannot be set aside,
36 can you say that the one whom the Father has consecrated and sent into the world blasphemes because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
37 If I do not perform my Father’s works, do not believe me;
38 but if I perform them, even if you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may realize (and understand) that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

How much clearer can it get??

I bolded the words, “can you say” because Kalfan’s quote does not read the same. Don’t know where it came from or if he just missed it. His quote states, “Say ye of him”. They read completely differently.

 

[obadiah]

Continuing on what Chet has posted, let’s put the quote in context:

How much clearer can it get??

I bolded the words, “can you say” because Kalfan’s quote does not read the same. Don’t know where it came from or if he just missed it. His quote states, “Say ye of him”. They read completely differently.

He probably quoted from the K.J.V.

 

[Khalfan]

This is what you left out of your quote.

Does Jn 10:30-33 say he is God?

The Jews were about to stone him for blashfemy.

Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods (previous prophets)? If he (GOD) called them (the Prophets) gods(!!!), unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?” –John 10:34-36.

Jesus (pbuh) asked the Jews, if the words of previous prophets as Son of God and as GOD, was not blashfemy, how can his claim of being Son of God be blashfemy.

The same question points to you as well. If previous prophetic claims of Son of God and GOD itself didn’t make them GOD, how could the claim of Jesus (pbuh) being the Son of God can make him GOD??

Jesus said other things as well like the following.
He couldn’t be clearer in saying that He is God.

John 8:57-59 doesn’t say he is God but he lived before Abraham (pbuh). It says about his eternity. Is eternity the condition to be GOD?

“For this Melchisedec, king of Salem,… which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually” -Hebrews 7:1-3

This king too is eternal; made like unto the Son of God; but not God! …Why?

Continued.

 

[Khalfan]

Continued.

You have stated it but not proved it.

You don’t read Bible, right?

Read it in KJV, it is as below.

1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

According to many modern bibles, the concept of trinity is been thrown out as fabrication.

Read the same in other modern version as below.

1 John 5:7

NASB: For there are three that testify: (NASB ©1995)​

GWT: There are three witnesses: (GOD’S WORD®)​

ASV: And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.​

BBE: And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is true.​

DBY: For they that bear witness are three:​

WEY: For there are three that give testimony-- the Spirit, the water, and the blood;​

WBS: For there are three that bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.​

WEB: For there are three who testify :​

YLT: because three are who are testifying [in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these – the three – are one;

1 John 5:8

NASB: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. (NASB ©1995)​

GWT: the Spirit, the water, and the blood. These three witnesses agree. (GOD’S WORD®)​

ASV: For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one.​

BBE: There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood: and all three are in agreement.​

DBY: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three agree in one.​

WEY: and there is complete agreement between these three.​

WBS: And there are three that bear testimony on earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.​

WEB: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and the three agree as one.​

YLT: and three are who are testifying in the earth], the Spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are into the one.

The verse is omitted, with no comment from

ANCJ, ANT, ASV, BNT, CENT, CEV, CJB, CLNT, CNT, CTNT, EBR, EVD, HBME, HBRV, KLNT, LB, LBP, MCT, MNT, MRB, NAB, NAS, NBV, NCV, NEB, NJB, NWT, ONT, PRS, REB, RNT, RSV, SGAT, SISR, SNB, SSBE, TCNT, TEV, TJB, WET.

 

[Khalfan]

He probably quoted from the K.J.V.

Right. I quoted from KJV. Is it a wrong version?

 

[Khalfan]

Continuing on what Chet has posted, let’s put the quote in context:

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods”’?
35 If it calls them gods to whom the word of God came, and scripture cannot be set aside,
36 can you say that the one whom the Father has consecrated and sent into the world blasphemes because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
37 If I do not perform my Father’s works, do not believe me;
38 but if I perform them, even if you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may realize (and understand) that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

How much clearer can it get??

“I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you”. –John 14:20

As Jesus is in the father and father is in Jesus, all christians too are in Jesus and Jesus is in them. All you too are supposed to be God then! …Are you?

 

[MHalsey]

Right. I quoted from KJV. Is it a wrong version?

Well, if it’s not OK for 1 John 5:7, then find another version.

 

[Khalfan]

What proof ??

Already given.

You always seek to put limits on what God can and can’t do as if God is subject to the universe He created!!!

There is limits for God. For example, God cannot create another eternal God. God cannot DIE.

David was not writing of himself but prophesying of Jesus!!!

“…Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.” -Psalms 2:7

May be you didn’t understand it well. Let me quote it from another version.

“…He (God) said to Me (David), 'You are My Son,
Today I (God) have begotten You (David)”. (NASB)

David (pbuh) says, God spoke to him. It wasn’t a prophecy about Jesus(pbuh).

Jesus was defending himself because it was not yet the appointed time for his death! Who is Jesus comparing himself with here?

Jesus (pbuh) asked the Jews, if the words of previous prophets as Son of God and as GOD, was not blashfemy, how can his claim of being Son of God be blashfemy. That way he was comparing his claim and the claims of earliar prophets.

The same question points to you as well. If previous prophetic claims of Son of God and GOD itself didn’t make them GOD, how could the claim of Jesus (pbuh) being the Son of God can make him GOD??

John 10:30

“That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: …that they may be one, even as we are one” –John 17:21-22

If Jesus (pbuh) and God were one in essence, all the disciples and all Christians are supposed to be one in essence of God.
…Are you and God ‘ONE’?

The Jews understood what Jesus was telling them why don’t you? John 10:33

Jews misunderstood what Jesus was saying. If he was truly God, he wouldn’t quote the claims of previous prophets as God and Son of God. He quoted that becasue those claims were there in the book of Jews and they never considered it as blashphemy. That is why Jesus (pbuh) wondered, how can his claim of ‘Son of God’ can be a blashphemy.

2 Peter 1:16-18. Would be Jesus’ apostles; Peter,James and John. We have eyewitnesses who heard God the Father speak of Jesus Identity! What about Mohammad?Again where are those who heard God utterance to Mohammad if he is equal to or greater than Jesus?

How Quran revealed to Mohamed (pbuh), it’s athourity and its witnesses are already discussed in this same thread. You may please read that.

My question was, what, in the words of God from heaven that the eyewitnesses heard, made Jesus (pbuh) GOD?

 

[MHalsey]

“I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you”. –John 14:20

As Jesus is in the father and father is in Jesus, all christians too are in Jesus and Jesus is in them. All you too are supposed to be God then! …Are you?

Why is it you have to answer every response with yet another scripture quote out of context??

Has anyone else noticed how Kalfan has hijacked yet another thread? Why is it you have to turn every thread having to do with Islam into Christians defending their faith?

When looking through the forums, people see the topic and maybe are not interested, and so don’t know you are arguing the gospel of John. If you want honest discussion on the gospel of John, start a new thread.

Back to the original topic of this thread, "Muhammad, the last prophet.

This has been proven over and over though many posts that he is NOT the last prophet. Indeed, he is not a prophet at all.

The tree is known by its fruit.

 

[Khalfan]

Well, if it’s not OK for 1 John 5:7, then find another version.

KJV is not OK for 1 John 5:7?!!

For me, all the versions of Bibles are the same. You tell me if I can take KJV as the official Bible of Catholics. Or if it is something else, then please name it. Anyway, trinity in 1 john 5:7 KJV version was clearly a later insertion.

 

[Khalfan]

Well, if it’s not OK for 1 John 5:7, then find another version.

KJV is not OK for 1 John 5:7?!!

For me, all the versions of Bibles are the same. You tell me if I can take KJV as the official Bible of Catholics. Or if it is something else, then please name it. Anyway, trinity in 1 john 5:7 KJV version was clearly a later insertion.

 

[Khalfan]

Why is it you have to answer every response with yet another scripture quote out of context??

Has anyone else noticed how Kalfan has hijacked yet another thread? Why is it you have to turn every thread having to do with Islam into Christians defending their faith?

When looking through the forums, people see the topic and maybe are not interested, and so don’t know you are arguing the gospel of John. If you want honest discussion on the gospel of John, start a new thread.

Back to the original topic of this thread, "Muhammad, the last prophet.

This has been proven over and over though many posts that he is NOT the last prophet. Indeed, he is not a prophet at all.

The tree is known by its fruit.

You indirectly agreed that you only accept the words of Jesus (pbuh) that comforts your belief. More than Jesus (pbuh), you believe the words of reporters, dreamers, visioners and interpretors. You don’t know your own faith but interested verymuch to discuss the faith of others.

I can see the tree and the fruit very well.