Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

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Remember that the most important of all the commandments, according to Jesus, is to know God as the only God. Jesus further emphasized this in the Gospel According to John. In John 17:1, Jesus lifted his eyes to heaven and prayed, addressing God as Father. Then in verse three, he said to God as follows: “Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” (John 17:3).
Khalfan Why did you skip over John 17:2 is it because Jesus says
,just as you gave him authority over all people, so that he may give eternal life to all you gave him.
Jesus plainly states that God the Father has Given Him (Jesus) Authority over All people! Not excluding any people in any place or in any time! So I believe that I, you, and Mohammad would be included in all people! What do you say since you used the verse before and after this verse to support your position is the verse in between corrupt? Also note that Jesus states He has the power to give Eternal Life to all people and Jesus is stating this to God the Father.Does any one beside God have this power?
John 10:30 “The Father and I are one.”
 
Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
John 17:2,
just as you gave him authority over all people, so that he may give eternal life to all you gave him.
Matthew 16:16-19
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell will not overcome it.I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Jesus sure seems to say He has all of Gods Power and Authority.On top of that Jesus gave a lot of his authority to his Prime Minister Peter.Can’t see why God would have any need for a new prophet.
 
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Montalban:
If you don’t know the purpose of the books of the Bible, then how can the Koran claim it to be God’s message?
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Khalfan:
Because we lost those privious books. Or it is there somewhere in OT, but cannot be recognised from human incertions.
Then you can’t say ‘the Bible is the word of God’! You’re trying to both say that it is, and that the message has been lost. The Koran says that it confirms the Gospel, but that Gospel then doesn’t really exist anymore, which is not what the Koran says!
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Khalfan:
Injeel is not Gospels according to John etc. Injeel is the words of God that came to Jesus (pbuh).
John who?
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Montalban:
48 And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad ) the Book (this Qur’an) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it

You can either argue that the Scripture mentioned is the same as what we have in the Bible, or not. If ‘not’ then what’s the point in ‘confirming’ something that doesn’t exist?
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Khalfan:
Confirming the message of One God is the point. It is not the point to confirm the human comments, dreams and fabrications in any book.
That’s not what it’s saying though. It’s saying “We confirm this Gospel” at the same time as saying “This Gospel is not the word of God” AND in point of fact many Moslems on this forum continue to use the Gospels to point to Islamic ‘facts’, such as the belief that the Gospels predict Muhammed (“the helper” promised by Jesus).

You simply need to make up your mind whether you reject the book, or not.
 
You keep claiming that everyone else is a liar! How do you know that Muhammad is not a liar?? You’ve accepted blindly everything he said with absolutely no proof! He lived a very unholy life. He has been accused of the following, and you keep insisting that he is a “prophet” of God!

rapist
**a pedophile **(had sex with a child)
an assassin
a mass murderer
a ruthless torturer

**a terrorist **(I have been made victorious through terror)
a lecher
a misogynist
a narcissist
a thief and plunderer

**a cult leader **
a mentally deranged (was paranoid, heard voices, hallucinated of seeing jinns, Satan and angels, used to think he had sex with his wives when he did not, suffered from depression and had suicidal tendencies).

looting

assassinations

How can you keep claiming that this “monster” is from God?

Vickie
Khalfan, you’ve stated that most of these charges are lies and have offered no proof for your assertions.

Do you think that the man who has charged Muhammad with all these crimes, would do so with no proof? Why would Muhammad’s own followers write horrific tales of the things he did unless they were true?

Here is the link to the debates and the accusations made against your prophet. Are you interested in the truth or not? Doesn’t it even bother you that such crimes are attributed to Muhammad? How can you believe in such a man?

Do yourself a favor and read the debates and see if the defenders proved that the accusations are false.

Vickie
 
Khalfan Why did you skip over John 17:2 is it because Jesus says Jesus plainly states that God the Father has Given Him (Jesus) Authority over All people! Not excluding any people in any place or in any time! So I believe that I, you, and Mohammad would be included in all people! What do you say since you used the verse before and after this verse to support your position is the verse in between corrupt? Also note that Jesus states He has the power to give Eternal Life to all people and Jesus is stating this to God the Father.Does any one beside God have this power?
Jesus’ Good News [Gospel] is clearly for all peolpe in all times!
Mark 16:15-16 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation."He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
 
Jesus’ Good News [Gospel] is clearly for all peolpe in all times!
You mean, Jesus was wrong in saying,

Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

right?
 
Khalfan, you’ve stated that most of these charges are lies and have offered no proof for your assertions.

Do you think that the man who has charged Muhammad with all these crimes, would do so with no proof? Why would Muhammad’s own followers write horrific tales of the things he did unless they were true?

Here is the link to the debates and the accusations made against your prophet. Are you interested in the truth or not? Doesn’t it even bother you that such crimes are attributed to Muhammad? How can you believe in such a man?

Do yourself a favor and read the debates and see if the defenders proved that the accusations are false.

Vickie
I believe in him becasue each and every allegation can be proved lie very simply. I already answered many allegation in the same thread. You can read that. If there is anything else that you want me to answer, I will do that.

This site already answered all those allegations.
 
Then you can’t say ‘the Bible is the word of God’! You’re trying to both say that it is, and that the message has been lost. The Koran says that it confirms the Gospel, but that Gospel then doesn’t really exist anymore, which is not what the Koran says!
Quran confirms the message, not any book.
John who?
The disciple (supposed to be).
That’s not what it’s saying though. It’s saying “We confirm this Gospel” at the same time as saying “This Gospel is not the word of God” AND in point of fact many Moslems on this forum continue to use the Gospels to point to Islamic ‘facts’, such as the belief that the Gospels predict Muhammed (“the helper” promised by Jesus).
My dear, the Gospel you have is the words of writers. The Gosples itself says, it is the GOSPELS ACCORDING TO JOHN, GOSPELS ACCORDING TO LUKE, GOSPELS ACCORDING TO MATTHEW, GOSPELS ACCORDING TO MARK. Then you have the GOSPELS ACCORDING TO PAUL, GOSPELS ACCORDING TO THE UNKNOWN WRITERS, GOSPELS ACCORDING TO REJECTED WRITERS etc. etc.

Quran is talking about the Gospels of God that came before Mohamed (pbuh), to the prophets Moses, David and Jesus (pbut). Do you have that in the Bible?

(The Noble Qur’an, 5:82) Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, “We are Christians”: because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

(The Noble Qur’an, 5:83) And when they listen to the revelation received by the Messenger, thou wilt see their eyes overflowing with tears, for they recognize the truth: they pray: “Our Lord! We believe; write us down among the witnesses.

We quote Bible because you believe in it. And there is sign of GOD in your own Bible, who Moses, David, Jesus and Mohamed (pbuh) worshiped. But as Quran said,

(Only) …men of understanding may take heed. Quran-14:52
You simply need to make up your mind whether you reject the book, or not.
I accept the words of God. I reject the words of unknown people.
I will accept the correct ‘Bible’ but not the correpted Bible you have.
 
Matthew 28:18 John 17:2,Matthew 16:16-19 Jesus sure seems to say He has all of Gods Power and Authority.On top of that Jesus gave a lot of his authority to his Prime Minister Peter.
My dear Chet, why are blind to the very word of Jesus (pbuh) that all his power is belong to GOD that he worshiped? Even the disciples praised that GOD that gave those power to Jesus (pbuh). Why don’t you? I worship that very GOD. Do you?

Matthew 9:8 But when the crowds saw [this], they were awestruck, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men.
Can’t see why God would have any need for a new prophet.
John 16:12-13 "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear [them] now.

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

That is what exactly Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) did.
 
That is not true. You might think it makes your point that it was limited to the Jews only because Jesus said that, but He also said other things:

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Mark 14:9
9 I tell you the truth, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her."

Mark 16:15
15He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.

John 3:16
16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

John 6:51
51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

John 12:47
47 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.

There is much more that shows how Christ and the Good News was always intended for the entire world. He knew His time was limited becasue He was to be killed, and so His ministry was limited to the Jews only. They were the ones invited to the feast.
And what is the Gospels to be preached all over the world that Jesus (pbuh) said? Was it the gospels of God or of Jesus (pbuh) or of the disciples?

John 8:28 …then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.

It was indeed the word of God. Did Jesus (pbuh) speak all that God TAUGHT him to speak?

John 16:12-13 “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear [them] now. But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.”

If it is the Holy Spirit who was to come, tell me even just one thing that you learned from the Holy Spirit which Jesus (pbuh) never spoke of.
 
Exodus 3:13-14

Jesus uses Gods name to identify Himself and the Jews knew what He was saying.
You are programmed to believe so. Check the Hebrew NAME the GOD revealed to Moses. Then check aramic NAME that Jesus (pbuh) used.

Jesus (pbuh) was not saying the name of God, but he existed before Abraham (pbuh). The life and death he said, was not physical but spiritual. You may underatand that if you read it from the beginning of the chapter John 8 or atleast from John 8:50.

50"But I do not seek My glory; there is One who seeks and judges.

51"Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death." (Spiritul death and the life he said too is spiritual)

52The Jews said to Him, "Now we know that You have a demon Abraham died, and the prophets also; and You say, 'If anyone keeps My word, he will never taste of death.’ (They misunderstood. They took it for physical death)

53"Surely You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too; whom do You make Yourself out to be?"

54Jesus answered, "If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God’;

55and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I say that I do not know Him, I will be a liar like you, but I do know Him and keep His word.

56"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad."

57So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” (Still they were taking it for physical life and death)

58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” (Spiritually, not physically)

59Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple.

It has nothing to do with the name of God.
 
Without father, mother, or ancestry, without beginning of days or end of life: this is perhaps a quotation from a hymn about Melchizedek. The rabbis maintained that anything not mentioned in the Torah does not exist. Consequently, since the Old Testament nowhere mentions Melchizedek’s ancestry, birth, or death, **the conclusion can be drawn that he remains . . . forever **but it does not mean that he did not have begining or end of life only that it is not mentioned in the bible
If he remains forever, he is supposed to be GOD, since you said YES for the question, “Is eternity the condition to be GOD?”

How a man lives forever (abideth a priest continually) can have beginning and end of life?!!

Do you mean to say Hebrew 7:1-3 is wrong?
 
quransearch.com/authors_gospels.htm
For now we can overlook the fact that you’re trying to portray all the above as being timeless moral injunctions rather than the situation-specific commands that they are, because there’s something a lot more telling about what you just said here.

I keep mentioning that I could probably write a book on all the Muslim double-standards that I’ve witnessed so far… The funny thing here is, you claim that God needs to send us all instructions in the form of a book to tell us what we should and should not do. It is Muslim belief that even if these commands do not seem to make sense to us, that we should follow them anyway. Now here you suddenly take the role of judging for yourself what God would or would not say. A little presumptuous, is it not?
No.
It doesn’t matter how many times you say that Trinity means “three gods”… everyone here knows this is a lie, and you’re not going to fool anyone here no matter how many times you repeat it.
I won’t ask you what is it becasue I know you don’t know the mystery.
 
The Qur’an teaches that the sun sets into a Muddy Spring on earth. According to Sura 18:86, the sun literally sets into a muddy spring or a black sea here on Earth, and Sura 18:90 mentions a specific place on Earth where the sun rises. Many Muslims try and say about this absurdity “oh this is poetic”. Nice try, it cannot be dismissed as figurative language or poetic, because it is given as part of an historical narrative.

The Qur’an says that one of the righteous men of God’s servants saw the sun set in a certain place of the earth—in particular a well full of water and mud. There, this man found some people. Let us read what is recorded in the Qur’an (chapter “the Cave”, Sura 18 verse 86).

“Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.”

Zamakhshari remarks in his book, “the Kash-shaf”,

“Abu Dharr (one of Muhammad’s close companions) was with Muhammad during the sunset. Muhammad asked him: ‘Do you know, O Abu Dharr where this sets?’ He answered: ‘God and His apostle know better.’ Muhammad said: ‘It sets in a spring of slimy water”’ (3rd Edition, Volume 2 p. 743,1987).

In his book, “The Lights of Revelation” (p. 399), the Baydawi indicates, *“The sun sets in a slimy spring; that is, a well which contains mud.” *

Why were stars created? In Sura 67:5 we read that the stars were created to be thrown at devils (Shaitans).

There was rain before the flood. Genesis 2:5-7 is only referring to before Adam was created, for it says:

"And every plant of the field before it sprung up in the earth, and every herb of the ground before it grew: for the Lord God had not rained upon the earth; and there was not a man to till the earth. But a spring rose out of the earth, watering all the surface of the earth. "

Also, rain is not the only thing that caused the flood the Bible says that the “fountains of the great deep” contributed the most of the water:

"In the six hundredth year of the life of Noah, in the second month, in the seventeenth day of the month, all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the flood gates of heaven were opened: And the rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights."

Some definite conclusions can be drawn from the Biblical text:
  1. The fountains of the great deep were subterranean in origin.
  2. The fountains of the great deep were the primary source of the water of the Genesis flood.
The latter conclusion is based largely on the duration of time that rain vs. the springs continued to flow. The Bible clearly states that it rained upon the Earth for only 40 days, while the waters flowing from below continued for 150 day.

The exact depth of this water within the Earth’s crust varies with different models.

Hydroplate theory places the water below a 10 mile thick crust, the remnants of which are now the continental crust. Hydroplate theory is the first flood model to deal with the springs of the great deep.

Modeling the fountains of the deep is an important aspect of any Flood model and one where hydroplate theory excels. It is an important aspect of flood geology but one that still requires much work.
All these were answered in the same thread.
 
Khalfan, you stated that Muhammad was an “assassin” only in war and the claims of assassinations were lies.

Here’s a link to assassinations attributed to Muhammad. He even had people killed for writing satyrical poems about him. Do these make Muhammad a mentally balanced person?? :confused:

Vickie
Why don’t you quote one by one?
 
Jesus is the Word of God made flesh!
And what made Adam? Word of SATAN?

Word of God made everything, not only Jesus (pbuh).
Does this mean that the Quran also has fabrications? 😃
You can create fabricated Quran. But as long we memorize it in our mind, we recreate Quran.
Yes, he did but Jesus also told us that there would be false prophets!

Vickie
Indeed there will be. But they won’t have sign of God.
 
And we were arguing with you, not each other.

Check your post 670. YOU were the one who quoted all the different versions.
Chet started it in 450.
Besides, the quotes all have the same meaning even if they don’t use the same words. As an example:
Do they all contradict each other, or are all correct?
But like I said, this still has nothing to do with Muhammad.
1 John 5:7 And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one. (Douay-Rheims)

1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. (New American Standard Bible)

Are the words or meaning the same in both Catholic Bibles?

In the gospel of Mark (10:17-18. see Luke 18:18-19), a man is reported to have asked Jesus, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life? "Jesus (P) simply replied, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; You shall not defraud; Honor your father and mother.’ "

Look at the same event in Matthew. “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. …” (Matthew 19:16-17)

What was the actual question and answer?

Jesus first met Simon Peter and Andrew…

By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)

On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)

Where exactly?

The exact wording on the cross was…

This is Jesus the King of the Jews (Matthew 27:37)
The King of the Jews (Mark 15:26)
This is the King of the Jews (Luke 23:38)
Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews (John 19:19)

They probably didn’t know to read and write.

I can give you list further. But only after you answer this.

Do you still say “the quotes all have the same meaning even if they don’t use the same words.”?
 
Do you even understand what a red herring is? Your allegations don’t matter because they are IRRELEVANT to what we’re talking about.
So you can judge what God would or would not say? What’s the point of any book from God then? You’re contradicting basic Muslim beliefs all over the place now…
I won’t ask you what is it becasue I know you don’t know the mystery.
YOU don’t know the mystery. You don’t even know what a “mystery”*** is***, in this context. That’s apparent to everyone by now… However, you shouldn’t project your own ignorance onto others. I know what the Trinity is already. Bottom line is, the Trinity does not, and has never meant “three gods” and your repeating that it is will not make this lie any more true.
 
You mean, Jesus was wrong in saying,

Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

right?
No Both and! Because you only seem to have a superficial understanding of scripture;It’s always one or the other for you.You fail to see the beauty and interconnectedness of Scripture because you seek to find fault in it.And of course your religion demands that you do! Now look what happens if I put the 2 verses next to each other;they don’t conflict.The second compliments and completes the first.
Matthew 15:24,Mark 16:15-16 "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation."He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
 
My dear Chet, why are blind to the very word of Jesus (pbuh) that all his power is belong to GOD that he worshiped? Even the disciples praised that GOD that gave those power to Jesus (pbuh). Why don’t you? I worship that very GOD. Do you?

Matthew 9:8 But when the crowds saw [this], they were awestruck, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men.

John 16:12-13 "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear [them] now.

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

That is what exactly Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) did.
Khalfan,Sadly you are very mistaken for you do not have the Holy Spirit but we do.
Acts 2:2-4 And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them.And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.
Did you know that in Jesus’ time among the Jews that a person was said to be the son of a particular fisherman; then that person would be esteemed as an equal to their father the fisherman.So if someone said, "this man is the Son of God."it would mean they esteemed as an equal to God the Father.
Matthew 16:16-17 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.
You see Jesus knew Peters understanding of his testimony about who he believed Jesus to be. But instead of saying no I am not God, Jesus validates it by telling him he is blessed of His Father!---- Khalfan,do you know how Satan likes to operate? He likes to take something that is good and pervert it; That is exactly what Mohamed did.
 
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