Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

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Khalfan said:
No it is not my dear. read the context. If you don’t agree with what is written in Bible, you are not a Christian.

If it is figure of speach, then those are blasphemy.
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Yes,God has feet and hands etc. in the person of Christ Incarnate. He still has these in a Glorified state in heaven. If you seen me you have seen the Father :cool:
 
Khalfan said:
No it is not my dear. read the context. If you don’t agree with what is written in Bible, you are not a Christian.

If it is figure of speach, then those are blasphemy.
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I agree with the Bible, Some things are literal, some things are figurative. But what about you? How can God be only one person when all through the Qur’an God refers to himself as WE.
 
Khalfan said:
Fantastic story teller. If it is about Mohamed (pbuh), why don’t you be honest to say what is said in hadees atleast, if you don’t know the context?
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Thanks. A true story, as you know, because I showed the hadees to you not too long ago. You thanked me because it was new to you. If you want others to read your holy book, or to understand it and your prophet, a personal quote coming from a Sunni Muslim would have greater weight than coming from me.

I do know the context, it is a conflicting account of Mohameds reaction to the very first visitation by the spirit.

The conclusion is clear unless you deny the validity of the hadees. He started to climb up to throw himself off. You can also conclude that this was a story told in fondness, but well after the real event because it is different than the more accepted story that it was after about a 3 mile walk back from the cave to his wife in Mecca where he only mentioned being afraid by an unknown spirit. Someone else wrongly concluded and told him it was from God because Mohamed did not know who/what tossed him around.

I think the full story about Mohamed is he was a average, but sincere man looking for God. He was surprised by a very physical and frightning spiritual event. It clearly upset Mohammed, so much so that one story has him wanting to kill himself by climbing up the mountain to throw himself off, stopped by the same spirit, before returning home to his wife not knowing if it was an evil Jinn, or god that he saw. She tries to calm him down and for advice goes to her old Christian uncle who says it must be from God and tells Mohamed his is a prophet. The haddess reports Mohamed asks a questuion that can be see to have been fulfilled prophecy when viewed later. The Christian unlce never converted, and neither did his childhood protector.

The spirit from the cave didn’t show up again for another 3 years!
 
Khalfan said:
Both verses are lie. Jesus (pbuh) didn’t know about the cross and the resurrection as per Matthew 26:39.

**And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.” **

Jesus (pbuh) wouldn’t pray to be saved from getting killed, if he knew he will die. He supposed to know the future since he is GOD. That contradicts the divinity of Jesus (pbuh).
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But it doesn’t contradict with his also fully human nature!
 
Khalfan said:
They were brothers. That is the point. Now if you want make one bad to make another Good, I am not interested in that, since we consider both Ishaac and ismael (pbut) as great messengers of Islam.
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Genesis 17:19 But God said,
"No, but Sarah your wife will bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; and I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.
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(ie., Not with Ishmael,who was born through Hagar, Sarah servant girl.) SO THERE IS NO COVENANT WITH GOD FOR ISHMAEL AND HIS DESCENDANTS.ie., Muhammad.
 
Khalfan said:
No wonder. It has to be Jesus (pbuh). Becasue if it says clearly, it is Mohamed (pbuh), there is no Christianity. You have to rework on it as I can see it below.

Deuteronomy 18:18 Parallel Translations

NASB: 'I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. (NASB ©1995)

GWT: So I will send them a prophet, an Israelite like you. I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him.(GOD’S WORD®)

KJV: I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

ASV: I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

BBE: I will give them a prophet from among themselves, like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will say to them whatever I give him orders to say.

DBY: A prophet will I raise up unto them from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

ERV: I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

JPS: I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

WBS: I will raise up to them a prophet from among their brethren, like thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him.

WEB: I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him.

YLT: a prophet I raise up to them, out of the midst of their brethren, like to thee; and I have given my words in his mouth, and he hath spoken unto them all that which I command him;

I am sure, you will choose the one talkes about Israelites.
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Khalfan I don’t see one that says the prophet is from the Ishmaelites do you? They all say the same thing.The Ishmaelites would have never considered the Israelites their brothers anymore than the Israelites would have never considered the Ishmaelites their brothers.Your argument doesn’t hold water.
 
Khalfan said:
Both verses are lie. Jesus (pbuh) didn’t know about the cross and the resurrection as per Matthew 26:39.

**And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.” **

Jesus (pbuh) wouldn’t pray to be saved from getting killed, if he knew he will die. He supposed to know the future since he is GOD. That contradicts the divinity of Jesus (pbuh).
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Khalfan;Both verses are lie. Jesus (pbuh) didn’t know about the cross and the resurrection
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Khalfan thats what you’ve been programed to believe.But you are calling the Holy Spirit a liar.Think twice.
 
chet said:
Khalfan thats what you’ve been programed to believe.But you are calling the Holy Spirit a liar.Think twice.
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Blaspheming against the Holy Spirit is a violation of a Commandment. To my knowledge, even Muslims are bound by them, so you are right to call for caution.
 
Read in the name of your Lord, who has created has created man from a clot.
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Created man from a clot? Just wondering, what is that supposed mean? Is that a met afore,a figure of speech, or what?
 
Khalfan said:
You forgot. He said, all his power is from God, that sent him.

Again you forgot. He said, He himself can do nothing.

He wanted to prove, he is coming from God, as he said many times.

He didn’t ask him, “Are you God?” and he didn’t reply “I am God”. They asked “Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.” and he replied, “I am”. Do you want the list of ‘SONS OF GOD’ mentioned in Bible?

He was a good shepherd, but not GOD.

Some Misunderstood Verses of the Bible Now Put Back Into Their Contexts

“I and the Father are one”
And Other Verses Commonly Misunderstood to Mean
That Jesus is God

“I and the Father are one”

John 10:30 is often quoted to show that Jesus is equal to God. But when you read the verse in its context you will find that the passage taken as a whole proves the opposite. People are often content to quote the verse in isolation to show that Jesus said “I and the Father are one” and then the Jews picked up stones to stone him because they understood him to mean that he is claiming to be God. It is only when you read the passage to see what comes before and after this verse that you will realize that the Jews misunderstood what Jesus was saying. In fact, Jesus tried to explain what he meant, and the explanation he gave is still in the Bible for everyone to see. It is surprising that so many people who say they love Jesus ignore his explanation and repeat the mistake which was made by the enemies of Jesus. Here is the passage as it appears in the New International Version of the Bible:

22It was winter, 23and Jesus was in the temple area, walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. 24The Jews gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” 25Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father’s name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.” 31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?” 33"We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” 34Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, I have said you are gods’? 35If he called them gods’ to whom the word of God came — and the scripture cannot be broken — 36what about one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, `I am God’s Son’?” (John 10:22-36).

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**John 28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
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Khalfan does Mohammad have the power to give eternal life as Jesus claims he can? If so please quote verse only. Does Moses have the power to give eternal life as Jesus claims he can? Does David have the power to give eternal life as Jesus claims he can? Does Ishmael have the power to give eternal life as Jesus claims he can? ** Khalfan can you quote a corrupt verse to prove your truth? I should hope not! How could a corrupt verse prove anything? **
 
Remember that the most important of all the commandments, according to Jesus, is to know God as the only God. Jesus further emphasized this in the Gospel According to John. In John 17:1, Jesus lifted his eyes to heaven and prayed, addressing God as Father. Then in verse three, he said to God as follows: “Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” (John 17:3).
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Khalfan Why did you skip over John 17:2 is it because Jesus says
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just as you gave him authority over all people, so that he may give eternal life to all you gave him.
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Jesus plainly states that God the Father has Given Him (Jesus) Authority over All people! Not excluding any people in any place or in any time! So I believe that I, you, and Mohammad would be included in all people! What do you say since you used the verse before and after this verse to support your position is the verse in between corrupt? Also note that Jesus states He has the power to give Eternal Life to all people and Jesus is stating this to God the Father. Does any one beside God have this power?
 
Khalfan have you ever read these Bible verses?
Let us therefore lie in wait for the just, because he is not for our turn, and he is contrary to our doings, and upbraided us with transgressions of the law, and divulged against us the sins of our way of life. He boasts that he hath the knowledge of God, and calls himself the Son of God. He is become a censurer of our thoughts. He is grievous unto us, even to behold: for his life is not like other men’s, and his ways are very different. We are esteemed by him as triflers, and he abstains from our ways as from filthiness, and he prefers the latter end of the just, and glories that he hath God for his father. Let us see then if his words be true, and let us prove what shall happen to him, and we shall know what his end shall be. For if he be the true son of God, he will defend him, and will deliver him from the hands of his enemies. Let us examine him by outrages and tortures, that we may know his meekness and try his patience. Let us condemn him to a most shameful death: for there shall be respect had unto him by his words. These things they thought, and were deceived: for their own malice blinded them. And they knew not the secrets of God, nor hoped for the wages of justice, nor esteemed the honor of holy souls. For God created man incorruptible, and to the image of his own likeness he made him. But by the envy of the devil, death came into the world: And they follow him that are of his side. As a result of the anguish of His soul, He will see it and be satisfied; By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many, As He will bear their iniquities.They open wide their mouth at me, As a ravening and a roaring lion. I am poured out like water, And all my bones are out of joint; My heart is like wax; It is melted within me. My strength is dried up like a potsherd, And my tongue cleaves to my jaws; And You lay me in the dust of death. For dogs have surrounded me; A band of evildoers has encompassed me; They pierced my hands and my feet. I can count all my bones. They look, they stare at me; They divide my garments among them, And for my clothing they cast lots.But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.
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Khalfan said:
Prophet (pbuh) never denied Jesus (pbuh) or God, but never accepted them as One God. Even Jesus (pbuh) never said he is God or He and God is one in essence (but one in purpose). But you made them one which is a lie.

How much you want it to be clear that the writer of 1 John is a liar?!!!

Throughout the book he is trying to promote Jesus (pbuh) as God and to imply trinity. 1 John 5:7, the very famous quote of evidence for trinity is already been thrown out of Bible. Don’t see that!!!

Same as above.

Going through Jesus (pbuh) doesn’t mean, going through his belly my dear. It means to accept Jesus (pbuh) and his message. Mohamed (pbuh) did just that. He preached the same message of one God that Jesus (pbuh) preached. He worshiped the same God that Jesus (pbuh) worshiped.

This is the problem with you when you read Bible. You accept the words of the writer as the words of Jesus (pbuh). Only the bolded words are from Jesus (pbuh) and sutes very much to any messenger of God.

I think the son is Mohamed (pbuh).
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** Khalfan This is the problem with you when you read Bible. It’s very convenient that only the words of Jesus that support your position in the Bible are correct. Anything else Jesus says is either added by the writer, or is misinterpreted. Also anything in the Bible written about Jesus that doesn’t support your view is a Lie! Khalfan do you sense any hippocracy in this?**
 
chet said:
** Khalfan This is the problem with you when you read Bible. It’s very convenient that only the words of Jesus that support your position in the Bible are correct. Anything else Jesus says is either added by the writer, or is misinterpreted. Also anything in the Bible written about Jesus that doesn’t support your view is a Lie! Khalfan do you sense any hippocracy in this?**
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No. But the very basic fact that, Jesus (pbuh) never said he is GOD and you people are imposing it on him.
 
Khalfan said:
No. But the very basic fact that, Jesus never said he is GOD and you people are imposing it on him.
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Do you mean according to our our beliefs, or according to your beliefs?

He certainly said He is God according to our beliefs
 
hamba2han said:
For those who wish to learn the story of how Islam began and why it became so readily accepted and spread so rapidly throughout all of Arabia and eventually the lands beyond, here is a short animated movie which does a fairly decent job of explaining how the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) brought this divine Message to all of humankind.
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For those who wish to know, Islam was spread by lies. Then by war and fear. I note that the OP has been abandoned as one Moslem here has turned this thread into a debate about the Bible.

This happens all the time. Unable to cope with light being cast upon the subject of Islam, Moslems quickly turn the debate to other issues.

Muhammed oversaw the execution of PoWs when 900 members of the Banu QUaresh were slaughterd. He took one of the Banu Quaresh women for his wife.
 
Khalfan said:
No. But the very basic fact that, Jesus (pbuh) never said he is GOD and you people are imposing it on him.
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Let’s assume you are right for a moment. What effect has this belief had on Cathlics/Christians in the last 2000 years?

Mohamed made himslef equal to God becasue of the 1st pillar of faith. What effect has that had on Mohammedans in the last 1400 years?
 
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